Dave Deacon Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 TOOLSTATION WESTERN LEAGUE Ashton & Backwell United 4-2 Bridgwater United Welton Rovers 2-0 Street LES PHILLIPS CUP Buckland Athletic 2-0 Mousehole Saltash United 5-2 Torpoint Athletic Shepton Mallet 1-0 Wells City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Our Cornish clubs involved in the cup tonight with one eye on the league fixture at Ashton no doubt! Bridgwater losing certainly a good result for Saltash and Mousehole. Almost a double success for the Ashes on the night and although the Seagulls are out of the cup now, they are certainly well positioned in the league title race. P W D L F A GD PTS 1 Saltash United 24 16 5 3 59 28 31 53 2 Bridgwater United 22 15 4 3 61 23 38 49 3 Mousehole 21 14 6 1 53 21 32 48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Very good result for Ashton & Backwell, will be a tough opponent for Buckland on Saturday, but at least we'll have home advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky170267 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Mousehole had a good go tonight but nothing could stop the Buckland attitude and spirit especially in the second half.. whatever they tried in front of goal was snuffed out by Buckland defenders or the Goalkeeper. Disappointed to see a lot of play acting from mousehole players throughout and surrounding the referee on every contentious decision. lots of talent on offer there tonight for both teams and although both teams had players missing they managed to produce an entertaining end to end game 2-0 and a missed penalty tells the story really and Buckland will be happy with that after the Vase disappointment at the weekend. Buckland Jim and Thecupfootballblogger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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middle mans mate Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 Hearing that both Saltash and Torpoint played ineligible players last night..... mattelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Our Cornish clubs involved in the cup tonight with one eye on the league fixture at Ashton no doubt! Bridgwater losing certainly a good result for Saltash and Mousehole. Almost a double success for the Ashes on the night and although the Seagulls are out of the cup now, they are certainly well positioned in the league title race. P W D L F A GD PTS 1 Saltash United 24 16 5 3 59 28 31 53 2 Bridgwater United 22 15 4 3 61 23 38 49 3 Mousehole 21 14 6 1 53 21 32 48 Bubbling up very nicely at the top of the table. Regarding Mousehole. Is the Joshua Bissett who appeared for them last night, the same player who was at Hartpury College and has turned out for Exmouth Town this season? 31 minutes ago, middle mans mate said: Hearing that both Saltash and Torpoint played ineligible players last night..... For players to be eligible, do they have to be signed on before the date of the original postponed tie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foul Throw 3 Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 52 minutes ago, Way Of The Park said: For players to be eligible, do they have to be signed on before the date of the original postponed tie? That's my understanding of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Man Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, middle mans mate said: Hearing that both Saltash and Torpoint played ineligible players last night..... If that is correct, will there be a replay or will they both get kicked out? Could be a bye into the next round for whoever is due to play them! 1 hour ago, Way Of The Park said: Bubbling up very nicely at the top of the table. Regarding Mousehole. Is the Joshua Bissett who appeared for them last night, the same player who was at Hartpury College and has turned out for Exmouth Town this season? For players to be eligible, do they have to be signed on before the date of the original postponed tie? Let's hope for Mouseholes sake that Josh Bisset was signed in time also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 If more local (Devon/Cornwall) sides are promoted to the Southern League and beyond at the end of the season, where will the clubs find players of a suitable standard to be able to compete? Will they have to play at slightly lower skill levels than teams from more populated areas. Also they will have to throw more money into the pot to attract these lower skilled players having a knock on effect at SWPL level with the SWPL clubs then having to spend more on lower standard players, and so on down the pyramid. How many of us hear the phrase "The Combo or ECPL is nothing like it used to be because of the FA meddling to form the St Piran" over a season? They will be saying about the SWPL over the next few years due to the FA tinkering with the Southern and Western. Only being able to sign for one club up and down the ranks will also be the death knell for some sides from lower level leagues who rely on these players from the Western/SWPL/St Piran to keep their sides afloat when they have no game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, cornishteddyboy said: How many of us hear the phrase "The Combo or ECPL is nothing like it used to be because of the FA meddling to form the St Piran" over a season? I don't completely agree with this old chestnut as didn't both the ECPL and Combo have the chance to take on the Step 7 concept themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1978 Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 26 minutes ago, cornishteddyboy said: If more local (Devon/Cornwall) sides are promoted to the Southern League and beyond at the end of the season, where will the clubs find players of a suitable standard to be able to compete? Will they have to play at slightly lower skill levels than teams from more populated areas. Also they will have to throw more money into the pot to attract these lower skilled players having a knock on effect at SWPL level with the SWPL clubs then having to spend more on lower standard players, and so on down the pyramid. How many of us hear the phrase "The Combo or ECPL is nothing like it used to be because of the FA meddling to form the St Piran" over a season? They will be saying about the SWPL over the next few years due to the FA tinkering with the Southern and Western. Only being able to sign for one club up and down the ranks will also be the death knell for some sides from lower level leagues who rely on these players from the Western/SWPL/St Piran to keep their sides afloat when they have no game. So you’re worried about declining standards at step 6 and 7 because so many clubs in the region now have a chance to play at a higher level? One that also brings fa cup entry and the prize money that comes with it!! Please tell me that this a parody account 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsman10 Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, rocky170267 said:. Disappointed to see a lot of play acting from mousehole players throughout and surrounding the referee on every contentious decision. Let’s be honest Buckland have Rob farkins playing for them. So I’m sure Buckland are used to seeing that every Saturday afternoon Ian Pethick, rocky170267 and Foul Throw 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1978 Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 The swpl was set up in order to facilitate upward movement in the pyramid. It’s decline as a league is actually a testament to its success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Way Of The Park said: Regarding Mousehole. Is the Joshua Bissett who appeared for them last night, the same player who was at Hartpury College and has turned out for Exmouth Town this season? Yes WOTP, one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 Re. the discussion about player eligibility I can confirm that all of the members of last night’s Mousehole squad were eligible to play in last night’s game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: I don't completely agree with this old chestnut as didn't both the ECPL and Combo have the chance to take on the Step 7 concept themselves? Correct Dave. Seems to be forgotten when clubs moan about the current setup, which admittedly was forced by the FA. Doesn’t bode well for the Step 7 and below reorganisation. I’ve heard that 1 of the 5 leagues has no one willing to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, baldy said: Doesn’t bode well for the Step 7 and below reorganisation. I’ve heard that 1 of the 5 leagues has no one willing to be considered. Shouldn't be a problem. Let the Cornwall FA run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 01/02/2023 at 10:59, Way Of The Park said: For players to be eligible, do they have to be signed on before the date of the original postponed tie? Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, L.Gibbons said: Correct Is that so in this league? I can’t find this in the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroloco13 Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, bighairydave said: Is that so in this league? I can’t find this in the rules? Taken from Les Phillips Challenge Cup Competition Rules .. available on Toolstation league website 12. PROVISIONS CONCERNING PLAYERS (e) All players must have been eligible to play in the original tie in order to play in a replayed or postponed match; Luke Gibbons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Toroloco13 said: Taken from Les Phillips Challenge Cup Competition Rules .. available on Toolstation league website 12. PROVISIONS CONCERNING PLAYERS (e) All players must have been eligible to play in the original tie in order to play in a replayed or postponed match; Thank you. The league rules on the website I find are dated, with no 21/22 league rules and the Les Phillips Cup rules being from 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, bighairydave said: Thank you. The league rules on the website I find are dated, with no 21/22 league rules and the Les Phillips Cup rules being from 2018. I’ve got a 2021/22 Handbook (but not this season’s) in which the Rule is unchanged from Toroloco’s post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, GaryHocking said: I’ve got a 2021/22 Handbook (but not this season’s) in which the Rule is unchanged from Toroloco’s post. Not helpful for those without a handbook though is it? And the 21/22 rules on the website only state league rules and have no mention of the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, bighairydave said: Not helpful for those without a handbook though is it? And the 21/22 rules on the website only state league rules and have no mention of the cup. I can be blamed personally for lots of things but (thankfully) I’m not responsible for the Western League’s website content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Just now, GaryHocking said: I can be blamed personally for lots of things but (thankfully) I’m not responsible for the Western League’s website content. Never blamed you, just stating that quoting the rules in the handbook are the same is pretty pointless for those without a handbook. karaoke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 No good turn goes unpunished. I was trying to be helpful. Sorry that in doing so I managed inadvertently to cause offence. RAPPO and karaoke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toroloco13 Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, bighairydave said: Thank you. The league rules on the website I find are dated, with no 21/22 league rules and the Les Phillips Cup rules being from 2018. If you go on the toolstation website and click on downloads, the handbook on there is the 22/23 version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherwontletmegoargyle Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 What qualifies as being eligible? Guessing suspended for the original match would be one reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Chairman Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Les Philips Cup Rules readily available to view on Toolstation Western League web-site. http://toolstationleague.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Les-Phillips-Cup-Rules.pdf Rule 12 (e) is the one that is being talked about here I believe. My understand is 'eligible' in such a case would be registered for the respective team. Same rule also mentions circumstances surrounding suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Blues Chairman said: Les Philips Cup Rules readily available to view on Toolstation Western League web-site. http://toolstationleague.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Les-Phillips-Cup-Rules.pdf Rule 12 (e) is the one that is being talked about here I believe. My understand is 'eligible' in such a case would be registered for the respective team. Same rule also mentions circumstances surrounding suspensions Dated 2018 though. Thank you @Toroloco13 for highlighting this year’s handbook online with fully updated rules. Toroloco13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Blues Chairman said: Les Philips Cup Rules readily available to view on Toolstation Western League web-site. http://toolstationleague.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Les-Phillips-Cup-Rules.pdf Rule 12 (e) is the one that is being talked about here I believe. My understand is 'eligible' in such a case would be registered for the respective team. Same rule also mentions circumstances surrounding suspensions Who'd be a football club secretary. Gary Hocking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, Way Of The Park said: Who'd be a football club secretary. A question I’ve asked myself a LOT in the last few days. Gary Hocking, Ian Pethick and Tommy Matthews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Chambers Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 31/01/2023 at 22:44, rocky170267 said: Mousehole had a good go tonight but nothing could stop the Buckland attitude and spirit especially in the second half.. whatever they tried in front of goal was snuffed out by Buckland defenders or the Goalkeeper. Disappointed to see a lot of play acting from mousehole players throughout and surrounding the referee on every contentious decision. lots of talent on offer there tonight for both teams and although both teams had players missing they managed to produce an entertaining end to end game 2-0 and a missed penalty tells the story really and Buckland will be happy with that after the Vase disappointment at the weekend. Perhaps Mousehole forgot to plug in their fancy ABS vests lol. Considering as a club they haven't ever won anything its surprising. They got a lot of catching up to do in regards to titles and cups. UTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeff Chambers said: Perhaps Mousehole forgot to plug in their fancy ABS vests lol. Considering as a club they haven't ever won anything its surprising. They got a lot of catching up to do in regards to titles and cups. UTT Mousehole is a tiny village, Falmouth is a big town, took you ages to get in their league and they are still ahead of you in the table 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, silly billy said: Mousehole is a tiny village, Falmouth is a big town, took you ages to get in their league and they are still ahead of you in the table 🙂 Don’t forget though Falmouth have been in the Western League before and won it on numerous occasions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said: Don’t forget though Falmouth have been in the Western League before and won it on numerous occasions! I know that! Considering the size of Falmouth they should of remained there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavi Fan Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, silly billy said: Mousehole is a tiny village, Falmouth is a big town, took you ages to get in their league and they are still ahead of you in the table 🙂 Who has the bigger budget? mattelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 03/02/2023 at 18:49, Tavi Fan said: Who has the bigger budget? The amount the f troop pee against the wall every match I would say Falmouth 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 3, 2023 Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 30/01/2023 at 22:49, Dave Deacon said: TOOLSTATION WESTERN LEAGUE Ashton & Backwell United 4-2 Bridgwater United Welton Rovers 2-0 Street LES PHILLIPS CUP Buckland Athletic 2-0 Mousehole Saltash United 5-2 Torpoint Athletic Shepton Mallet 1-0 Wells City Saltash won't be taking any further part in the cup this season 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 21 hours ago, Philheybrookbay said: A question I’ve asked myself a LOT in the last few days. Probably your Liskeard counterpart has as well.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiksilver Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Saltash committee just seem to jump from one blooper to the next over the last 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsman10 Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 What going on with all these teams being chucked out of cups ? Are clubs this stupid they don’t understand the rules of players being signed Honestly I’ve seen better run Sunday league clubs. it embarrassing and no excuse for it quiksilver and Footiefandango 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shots Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, sportsman10 said: What going on with all these teams being chucked out of cups ? Are clubs this stupid they don’t understand the rules of players being signed Honestly I’ve seen better run Sunday league clubs. it embarrassing and no excuse for it Most people don’t realise how important a football secretary is. Worth their weight in gold. Gary Hocking, Ian Pethick and Tommy Matthews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Torpoint Massive Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, shots said: Most people don’t realise how important a football secretary is. Worth their weight in gold. And it’s all voluntary, we do it, cos we love it, well most of the time! Us secretaries give a lot of free time and energy to help run a club and don’t deserve a bad time when bad things happen! Gary Hocking, Tommy Matthews, Ian Pethick and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 And it would be a tough enough job if the rules around the likes of eligibility, suspensions, etc., were clear, unambiguous and consistent. Anyone not familiar with the role of Club Secretary like to hazard a guess as to just how clear, unambiguous and consistent those rules actually are? Ian Pethick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, GaryHocking said: And it would be a tough enough job if the rules around the likes of eligibility, suspensions, etc., were clear, unambiguous and consistent. Anyone not familiar with the role of Club Secretary like to hazard a guess as to just how clear, unambiguous and consistent those rules actually are? Honestly? It’s like completing a 3d sudoku. Blindfolded. The Torpoint Massive, Buckland Jim and Gary Hocking 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 11 hours ago, Philheybrookbay said: Honestly? It’s like completing a 3d sudoku. Blindfolded. I'm sure it's made much worse by each competition having different criteria too. Hats off to all the secretaries who do a great job. Town Fan, Gary Hocking and The Torpoint Massive 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 Does the county or national FA offer any sort of training or mentoring for club secretaries? Would seem a very useful thing to do. Buckland Jim, Town Fan and Quiet Man 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Chambers Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 03/02/2023 at 18:49, Tavi Fan said: Who has the bigger budget? On 03/02/2023 at 18:49, Tavi Fan said: Who has the bigger budget? Got to be Mousehole Tavi Fan. Their players budget plus their expensive GPS vests that measure heart rate etc are a massive pull for some players . At Falmouth we attract young players that want to play at the iconic Bickland park in front of the biggest and best fan base in the West, the chance to pull on that black & amber shirt and play for Cornwalls most famous and successful football club. Mousehole will probably go up this season and if they go up as champions they can at least say they have actually won something and considering their financial outlay its about time. Buckland Jim, mattelot, Tavi Fan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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