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theboyweeso Premier Contributor

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From SWPL;

 

Subject: Applications for Promotion to, and within the SWP League

Results of Ground Gradings conducted by 31st March and notifications Received by that date.

Withdrawal notice submitted by deadline:
Tiverton Town   :   Premier Division

Allocation of club from outside the feeder league system:
None this season.

Step Seven to Step Six: (East & West to Premier)
Crediton United   :   East Division   :   Passed

Elburton Villa   :   West Division   :   Failed

Newton Abbot Spurs   :   East Division   :   Failed

Porthleven   :   West Division   :   Failed

St Dennis   :   West Division   :   Passed (Dispensation) **

Sticker   :   West Division   :   Passed (Dispensation) **

Stoke Gabriel   :   East Division   :   Passed (Dispensation) **

Feeder Leagues to Step Seven :
Bere Alston United   :   East Cornwall Premier   :   Failed

Braunton    :   North Devon League   :   Passed

Buckland Athletic   :   South Devon League   :   Passed *

Heavitree United   :   Devon & Exeter League   :   Failed

Honiton Town   :   Devon & Exeter League   :   Passed

Ilfracombe Town   :   North Devon League   :   Passed

Ludgvan   :   Cornwall Combination   :   Passed

Newtown   :   Devon & Exeter League   :   Passed

Waldon Athletic   :   South Devon League   :   Failed

Notes:

Buckland Athletic: Can only be accepted into league if first team achieves promotion to Step 4

St Dennis, Sticker & Stoke Gabriel: All 3 meet the requirements of FA Grade “H” but do not have floodlights currently installed. All 3 have provided documentation to confirm they have valid and current planning permission to install lights and supporting plans to apply for grants and provide additional finance to complete the installations.

Summary:

At this time the current thinking of the league is: (Please read final note)

Premier: It is anticipated that one club will achieve promotion from East and one club will achieve promotion from West. With Tiverton Town having given notice to withdraw it is therefore anticipated that the bottom one club in Premier will be relegated.

East: It is anticipated that one club will achieve promotion to Premier. It is anticipated that one club will achieve promotion from the Devon & Exeter League and one club achieve promotion from the North Devon League. It is not anticipated that a club will achieve promotion from the South Devon League. It is not anticipated that a club will be relegated from Premier into the East Division. Therefore it is anticipated that the bottom ONE club will be relegated to the feeder leagues.

West: It is anticipated that one club will achieve promotion to Premier. It is anticipated that one club will achieve promotion from the Cornwall Combination League. It is not anticipated that a club will achieve promotion from the East Cornwall Premier League. It is anticipated that a club will be relegated from Premier into the West Division. Therefore it is anticipated that the bottom ONE club will be relegated to the feeder leagues.

Boundary: It is anticipated that there will be no need for any club to be transferred from East to West or from West to East this year.

I must stress that this is the current thoughts of the board, taking into account ground gradings, withdrawal notices etc conducted & received by the FA deadline of March 31st. These matters do have a habit of changing late on and final league positions of applicant clubs etc can cause changes. A further statement is next likely on May 11th when the board meets to decide matters with final league positions of clubs in the SWP and hopefully in the respective feeder leagues, known at that time.

Philip Hiscox  (Company Secretary)

Newquay given a lifeline today??!!

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41 minutes ago, OldFan said:

Surprised Elburton failed the ground grading. Anyone know what they may have failed on?

Required to relocate Referees Changing Room to the rear of our building and shuffle toilet facilities about.

Work we have started but was in no rush to finish due to likelihood of a Sticker promotion finishing above us.

FA inspection more than 12 months ago highlighted this and a few other things but this is the last job of the required work.

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43 minutes ago, OldFan said:

Surprised Elburton failed the ground grading. Anyone know what they may have failed on?

As quoted from the SWPL website on a similar question:

Not going into specifics, but those two plus Porthleven – its very often a lack of toilets in each of the 3 dressing rooms, or loose material for hard standing or at 1 club down to the referee not walking past spectator toilets to get onto the walkway to the pitch.

Red tape etc ? Maybe – But the FA insist upon uniform standards with a lot of detail to be ticked off – Wembley would fail if the Away dressing room had say 3 shower heads rather than the required 4, irrespective of everything else that the stadium does have !

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1 hour ago, Willow Tree said:

As quoted from the SWPL website on a similar question:

Not going into specifics, but those two plus Porthleven – its very often a lack of toilets in each of the 3 dressing rooms, or loose material for hard standing or at 1 club down to the referee not walking past spectator toilets to get onto the walkway to the pitch.

Red tape etc ? Maybe – But the FA insist upon uniform standards with a lot of detail to be ticked off – Wembley would fail if the Away dressing room had say 3 shower heads rather than the required 4, irrespective of everything else that the stadium does have !

 

1 hour ago, Willow Tree said:

As quoted from the SWPL website on a similar question:

Not going into specifics, but those two plus Porthleven – its very often a lack of toilets in each of the 3 dressing rooms, or loose material for hard standing or at 1 club down to the referee not walking past spectator toilets to get onto the walkway to the pitch.

Red tape etc ? Maybe – But the FA insist upon uniform standards with a lot of detail to be ticked off – Wembley would fail if the Away dressing room had say 3 shower heads rather than the required 4, irrespective of everything else that the stadium does have !

Just goes to show the refs are treated as Royalty - ridiculous !

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1 hour ago, Willow Tree said:

As quoted from the SWPL website on a similar question:

Not going into specifics, but those two plus Porthleven – its very often a lack of toilets in each of the 3 dressing rooms, or loose material for hard standing or at 1 club down to the referee not walking past spectator toilets to get onto the walkway to the pitch.

Red tape etc ? Maybe – But the FA insist upon uniform standards with a lot of detail to be ticked off – Wembley would fail if the Away dressing room had say 3 shower heads rather than the required 4, irrespective of everything else that the stadium does have !

I hate to think how long the list is going to be from the FA ground grading visit yesterday at Bodmin!

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7 hours ago, theboyweeso said:

I'm happy for Penzance too, would've hated to see them go. Much to build on for them next season!

Have a soft spot for Penzance, use to go there on holiday when living in the South East, a big name town in the West and visited with Saltash a few years ago for a league match, a great day that I still look back fondly on - can still remember it now, was sat in that stand on a beautiful sunny day as Saltash got a draw.

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4 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

I hate to think how long the list is going to be from the FA ground grading visit yesterday at Bodmin!

It was an advisory visit from the National League Dave, the FA have not yet been involved in the proposed ground share or what needs to be done by when.

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8 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

What will the knock-on effect of that mean to the ECPL? 

There is already one vacancy in the EC Premier Division but will they then relegate one or two teams down to Div One ?

Div One already has three vacancies and only one team is allowed to come up from the Duchy League.

Are there any other applicants ?  A 'senior' set up from the north coast would perhaps fancy a change of scenery !

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11 hours ago, John Mead said:

It was an advisory visit from the National League Dave, the FA have not yet been involved in the proposed ground share or what needs to be done by when.

Ah yes thanks John. Reading back I see it did say "The National League Ground Grading inspection".

Do the FA have to be involved? If so, what about this deadline for work to be completed by 31st March 2017? Will there be dispensations allowed?

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Quite simple really

As it stands the ECPL has a maximum constitution of 32 teams. There are 15 in the Premier Division and 13 in Division One.

If Vospers Oak Villa were to be relegated from the Peninsula League then they would automatically enter ECPL Premier Division. This would bring the Premier Division up to its maximum of 16 teams. This as I understand it would mean that two teams would be relegated from the Premier Division. (This is between St Teath, Launceston, Liskeard Athletic and possibly St Blazey)

Division One would be able to promote the top two teams leaving 13 teams (2 being relegated from premier division). Plymouth Parkway will be joined by either Bodmin Town, Looe Town, Morwenstow, Mevagissey or Elburton Villa).

One team is allowed to be promoted from Duchy League which looks like St Minver. This leaves two vacancies. One is believed to be from Plymouth and they have all the facilities required by the league and Newquay from the Cornwall Combination League. To retain senior status Newquay could transfer over from that league – but would have to go into division one. (don't forget Newquay based team Godolphin were once in the ECPL). This would bring the compliment back up to 32 teams. 16 in each division.

Problem solved

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7 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

Ah yes thanks John. Reading back I see it did say "The National League Ground Grading inspection".

Do the FA have to be involved? If so, what about this deadline for work to be completed by 31st March 2017? Will there be dispensations allowed?

The FA Technical Panel is the body which awards Grades for the NLS and they would have to agree any extention to the 31st March deadline which the National League recommend or request. 

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Tiverton Town Reserves tweeted yesterday :-

"This may be too late notice, but if there's anyone out there interested in helping fund the reserves to keep us going, private message me!"

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"It would be a great shame to fold after 1 season in the Premier with how the team has built, spread the word, we don't have much time left!"

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I was a bit sceptical about this, however also on their Twitter feed is

'The board have told us if we can raise enough money to fund ourselves next season, they are more than happy for us to continue!'

The rumour was that the Reserve team had a  very large playing budget, so if the players are really committed to playing and the playing budget goes down, as a Reserve Team with all the facilities in place - they  cant be looking at too great an amount in sponsorship to keep afloat to stay in the SWPL Prem - or at very least taking voluntary demotion if travelling costs too much?

Looks like Newquay will have to really push for too final wins, just in case - Witheridge have Saltash and Bodmin left so can't see them getting anything

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Would be great to see Tiverton stay in the league, a fantastic set up & a great day out for Cornish clubs venturing up to Ladysmead to play at their cracking ground. Why not try to write to the local Professional sides in the area Exeter, Torquay, Argyle, maybe even the Bristol clubs & explain your situation with & try to organise potential friendly fixtures for the forthcoming season & use some of the money generated to go back in to the reserve side if you explained the situation before hand to the clubs you would be asking to attract for a friendly. Local businesses & sponsorship, fun runs, fete days etc all a good way to generate extra income. Best way is media coverage, contact all your local papers & spread the word about your financial difficulties & I am sure you will pull through. Any side is better than NO side

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So if Tiverton Town Reserves do remain in SWPLPD, and as per the rules two clubs are relegated (e.g. Newquay & St Blazey), how does that then affect relegation from the East & West Divisions.  Does it mean, again according to the rules, that two clubs would be relegated from each  -  it says somewhere that the East & West can't have more than 18 teams each.  So in the example of the West Division, it could turn out that, Ludgvan, promoted up from Combo, would replace Sticker, promoted to Premier Division, while Newquay and St Blazey would replace Vospers and possibly Penzance, relegated to ECPL and Combo respectively. I may have got this all wrong as maths never was my strongest point!  Any comments?

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If Tivvy Reserves remain in Prem. the bottom 2 clubs would be relegated to Division 1. This would mean that 3 teams from Division 1 would be relegated - the last finishing teams in both East & West plus the losing team in a play-off game between the two teams finishing in 17th place. The 36 teams would then be allocated to the most sensible Division (East or West), based upon their location.

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Just a small point, IF Tivvy Reserves do decide to stay (and it appears they can if they choose) - when Newquay played Godolphin and the game was abandoned due to two serious injuries - Newquay decided to 'give' the game to Godolphin (I know it was 3-0 and was the right thing to do) - at that time Tivvy Reserves were leaving the league and Newquay relatively safe in second bottom. Those three potential points (had the game been replayed and Newquay won) - may have potentially given Newquay enough points to pass Witheridge. 

Can they 'rescind' their decision to shake on the game and conceded it? The point. being, would they have conceded the game if two teams were going to be relegated (probably)?

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Surely the league can't allow the decision to be overturned as the has had knockon effects to other teams. For example, I know Newquay have rested players in certain games since the decision was made and confirmed in order to take vital points in games there were winnable against Witheridge which they won both and allowing players to rest against teams like St Austell and Saltash and took hammerings, if they knew Tiverton wanted to stay up the Newquay would've put their strongest team out in all the games as would've needed the points. Also as Bobjfh said in the game vs Godolphin these decision to give the game at 3-0 wouldn't have happened and the 3 points would be up for grabs in a replay.

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Why would there be a play off? 2 down from the premier and champions of East and West go up. 

Bottom of both East and West get relegated and replaced. 

Have I missed something? 

On Tue Apr 18 2017 at 06:27, leedsunited said:

Why would that be Paul? The season is not yet over so no final standings has been affected, what's the problem!?

Hardly fair on Newquay who won their games to stay up because weeks ago Tiveryon announced they were pulling out the league. Except for a miracle Newquay were safe. Now all of a sudden Tiverton might carry on. Either your going to or not. Make your mind up. 

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22 minutes ago, Paul said:

hy would there be a play off? 2 down from the premier and champions of East and West go up. 

Bottom of both East and West get relegated and replaced. 

Have I missed something? 

Is it because two from East And West (4) should be relegated but it is anticipated only  three from the feeder leagues qualify?

Bearing in mind only one allowed from any feeder league

btw being selfish I hope Tiverton remain in the Premier as I missed my lift (breakdown in communication) to Ladysmead this season

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7 hours ago, Cornishfan74 said:

Surely the league can't allow the decision to be overturned as the has had knockon effects to other teams. For example, I know Newquay have rested players in certain games since the decision was made and confirmed in order to take vital points in games there were winnable against Witheridge which they won both and allowing players to rest against teams like St Austell and Saltash and took hammerings, if they knew Tiverton wanted to stay up the Newquay would've put their strongest team out in all the games as would've needed the points. Also as Bobjfh said in the game vs Godolphin these decision to give the game at 3-0 wouldn't have happened and the 3 points would be up for grabs in a replay.

What rubbish. Keep the better teams in the league, very very naive of any club to believe anything until its rubber stamped. Play to the whistle. Talk is cheap, every team will be at it next season if the league excepted that excuse! You can't say a team who has picked up 16 points all season & conceded a million goals would of played better players & not rested players & won more games, If it was that easy why are they at the bottom, that's the funniest thing on the forum for years! I believe being 3-0 down in the 86th minute against Godolphin the result would stand anyway? 

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"Talk is cheap", what isn't cheap is Bodmins weekly wage budget, talking about what teams shouldn't be in the league, imagine if Bodmin actually had the ambition to go for promotion once every ten years instead of just spending cash on players that are only travel the distance for the money. Load of rubbish, bit ironic, most posts are putting Newquay in a negative light when you don't see the problems they have and are doing and excellent job of bring homegrown players through. The decision that was better has absolutely had an impact on how Newquay have organised themselves even if their season has been terrible which I agree it has been.

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