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Heard on the grapevine that Chacewater might be about to fold! Hope this isn’t true the last thing we need is another club folding especially a club like chacewater :(

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Surely very concerning when a club like Chacewater have to fold! 

The following is taken from the Trelawny League Facebook group page:-

“We are extremely disappointed to hear the news tonight that Chacewater Football Club have withdrawn from the Trelawny League with immediate effect.

Due to the club’s withdrawal, all previous results are expunged.

St Buryan will receive a BYE into the Semi Final of the Dunn Cup. 

The Premier Division will now be made up of 13 teams. 

As a result of this withdrawal and in line with Trelawny League Rule 12b(ii), only one team will be relegated from the Premier Division at the end of the season”

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1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said:

Surely very concerning when a club like Chacewater have to fold! 

These were my exact thoughts also.

The really disappointing thing is that Chacewater, a club that has been around for such a long time and has so much history about it has felt that there is no other option but to fold... a club like Chacewater just shouldn’t have to do that.

 

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This time last season they had two teams.

45 players appeared for the Premier Division throughout the season, of which 15 made 10 or more appearances.

Only 14 of those 45 also played at least once for the seconds.

The seconds listed 39 players of which 14 played in excess of 10 times.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ALL THESE PLAYERS?

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A very sad day indeed when a long established club with such a rich history as Chacewater folds.  It certainly makes you wonder if any club is only a season or less away from a similar fate particularly when Chacewater appeared to be so strong behind the scenes with the likes of Nigel leading from the front.

A sad indication of the continuing decline in the game.

8 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

This time last season they had two teams.

45 players appeared for the Premier Division throughout the season, of which 15 made 10 or more appearances.

Only 14 of those 45 also played at least once for the seconds.

The seconds listed 39 players of which 14 played in excess of 10 times.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ALL THESE PLAYERS?

Not necessarily the case with Chacewater Dave but one quote I had last season was 'Yes we've got plenty registered but you try getting them out of bed to play on a Saturday'.  Those dedicated volunteers running clubs around the county have my greatest respect as it's getting harder and harder for them as each year passes.

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4 minutes ago, Steve Carpenter said:

Not necessarily the case with Chacewater Dave but one quote I had last season was 'Yes we've got plenty registered but you try getting them out of bed to play on a Saturday'.  Those dedicated volunteers running clubs around the county have my greatest respect as it's getting harder and harder for them as each year passes.

Which is why I detailed for the 1st team 15 made 10 or more appearances and the seconds 14 played in excess of 10 times.

They had a loyal band of players - it's a shame we can't get some players on to tell us why this has happened?

The players need to be honest and say if they can't be bothered - the people in authority need to know this, and why, so to try and avoid more clubs packing up!

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2 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

Which is why I detailed for the 1st team 15 made 10 or more appearances and the seconds 14 played in excess of 10 times.

They had a loyal band of players - it's a shame we can't get some players on to tell us why this has happened?

The players need to be honest and say if they can't be bothered - the people in authority need to know this, and why, so to try and avoid more clubs packing up!

Well said Dave. Agree totally. 

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Ummmm, stop allowing new teams to join the Trelawny League for a few seasons (3 or 4 say). It will not necessarily stop other clubs folding, but it certainly will not make the situation worse. What did we have this year, 8 new teams voted into Division 4 (with 1 not being allowed), and so far, 3 teams folding....

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Looking at where players are registered, the new teams that have formed have had very little affect on the club's in the vicinity. You can't blame the new teams that have joined the league for this

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We at Redruth are like most teams in "transition and I expect Chacewater when you are struggling on the pitch players decide to go else where because they are not prepared to roll their sleeves up and fight for the cause or just stop playing because they cannot be bothered.

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We (Perranwell) formed a new team this summer and were voted into the league, last season the first team on numerous occasions had to many players, some went to play for other teams but helped us out when needed, we had ex players showing a interest in playing again, and with youth level players making the transition into men’s football we decided to reform the Reserves again.

We have had a very good start to the season, with squads of 12/13 each week and players stepping up to the 1st team when required or on merit. To my knowledge we haven’t folded any clubs within our catchment area, so to say no to any new teams joining the league is shortsighted as each new club/team will have different reasons and agendas for joining. 

Sorry to see Chacewater fold, we have had many a good game against them and hope they regroup and join the league again soon. 

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10 minutes ago, Deano said:

We (Perranwell) formed a new team this summer and were voted into the league, last season the first team on numerous occasions had to many players, some went to play for other teams but helped us out when needed, we had ex players showing a interest in playing again, and with youth level players making the transition into men’s football we decided to reform the Reserves again.

We have had a very good start to the season, with squads of 12/13 each week and players stepping up to the 1st team when required or on merit. To my knowledge we haven’t folded any clubs within our catchment area, so to say no to any new teams joining the league is shortsighted as each new club/team will have different reasons and agendas for joining. 

Sorry to see Chacewater fold, we have had many a good game against them and hope they regroup and join the league again soon. 

Agree totally with above comment. We at TMS did not get voted in this year to Div 4 but kept all players with a Sunday league side.....hoping based on this we will get a second team in Div 4 next season for Saturday football ⚽️👍

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45 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

Is it the same Praze set-up this season from what had to pull out last season? If it is, they have made a quick turnaround and so what's different for them now compared to last?

2-3 new faces on the management and committee with pretty much a complete new team of players.  with sponsorship and the backing of the local pub we are now in a much healthier placer than before.

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i think people are losing interest altogether across the country,

when I watch the weekend goals scored in championship, league 1 league 2 , look how many empty seats there are in the stadiums ! thousands ! I remember going with my dad to bickland park as a kid to watch Falmouth town and the car park was full and there was a good turn out of supporters, its not like that now  , maybe there is too much distractions like going out drinking, playing computer games , people participating in other sports , work , women .

my 10 year old son cant get into local football teams  because there is too many kids wanting to play , how that will change in the next few years .

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Don’t Perranwell have quite a few lads formerly associated with Grampound? I think Grampound have had issues due to loss of players?? 4 or 5 in the Perran squad v Hayle Reserves recently?

Just saying that a limited pool of players these days that have consequences when for whatever reason they move on.

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26 minutes ago, Postman Pat said:

FA are not careful and do not invest in proper grassroots men’s football there will not be enough teams for all the boys coming through

But what I’m told, money is available, you have to approach the Cornwall FA and discuss your individual case with them. How many clubs do this, and if not, why not?

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Dave the criteria only helps clubs with their own grounds.First questions asked 1. Do you own your own ground. 2 how long a lease do you have. Look around at council facilities and they are steadily getting worse through lack of council budgets.not a dig at the councils if it’s hospitals or schools or old people then they must get priority. Look at the clubs where funding has been given and these clubs with all due respect are not grassroots. Don’t get me wrong as I’ve said before you have to get off your backside and work for it yourself but you have to have willing volunteers and that is where the problem lies, most of these volunteers are getting older and not being replaced and it just gets harder and harder.

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43 minutes ago, Dodgy Hammy said:

Don’t Perranwell have quite a few lads formerly associated with Grampound? I think Grampound have had issues due to loss of players?? 4 or 5 in the Perran squad v Hayle Reserves recently?

Just saying that a limited pool of players these days that have consequences when for whatever reason they move on.

To my knowledge maybe 2 or 3 lads who have played for Grampound in the last few seasons, and one of those is helping to start up a new team in that area. Not exactly a mass exodus,  given the distance between the 2 villages, the vast majority of players signed on at Perranwell this season have previously played for the club, or have a connection to the village. 

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4 hours ago, jules said:

2-3 new faces on the management and committee with pretty much a complete new team of players.  with sponsorship and the backing of the local pub we are now in a much healthier placer than before.

Big money ive heard.. robbo dont manage for nothing!.. 🤣

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The majority of the Perranwell and Praze side did not register in the Trelawny League last season. Most were ex players that seem to have returned to their local side once they have reformed. 

I literally don't have the time to get you all the stats because it would mean comparing last season's registrations to this season's - but I can certainly say that no local teams should have been affected by these two sides re-joining the league.

What is shocking to see though is the amount of people that registered last season who have not re-registered this season. There is a huge amount. 

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Money from the FA wouldn’t save chacewater. It’s all about the lack of interest and not just at chacewater

i very much doubt that the County FA give two hoots about what happens down at this level of football. 

I hope that the club can come back next year with enough players. As with all clubs it’s about having a manager who can bring his mates and others, if that can be a local thing then that would be even better

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It’s funny isn’t it that people harp on about The FA and money etc

yet people still refuse to accept the millions of quotes on here.......no amount of money/policy changes/facilities etc can change society.

youngsters lives have changed they see no problem in letting people down anymore,not turning up,turn their phone off!!!

there are many many on here who were used to a good bollicking from there manager or a solid clip round the ear from there father but that has all changed now

the sooner we accept that many things have changed for ever the better we will understand 

two words that do not exist anymore in sport

DESIRE and DEDICATION 

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It's not just a Cornwall issue. I collate league tables across the whole of the country, and more than 20% of teams have disappeared over the last 8 years

I haven't finished sorting out data for 2017-18 yet, but in 2008-09 (the first year I did this) there were 11451 teams in my spreadsheet and in 2016-17 just 9137. That covers all levels of open-age Saturday football in England (& Cornwall!) from the Premier League to the most basic of "grassroots" levels.

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1 hour ago, cornishteddyboy said:

Was it just lack of players?

Could it be the council want the land for housing?

We all assume it is a player shortage but we may be wrong.

If it was anything other than a player shortage, I’m certain that Chacewater would say. You could tell just by looking at their teamsheets that they’ve been struggling with numbers. It will Be interesting to see how many of the Chacewater players sign for other clubs (and play).

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9 hours ago, digger1000 said:

It’s funny isn’t it that people harp on about The FA and money etc

yet people still refuse to accept the millions of quotes on here.......no amount of money/policy changes/facilities etc can change society.

youngsters lives have changed they see no problem in letting people down anymore,not turning up,turn their phone off!!!

there are many many on here who were used to a good bollicking from there manager or a solid clip round the ear from there father but that has all changed now

the sooner we accept that many things have changed for ever the better we will understand 

two words that do not exist anymore in sport

DESIRE and DEDICATION 

Easy to say but to quote our prime minister “ money doesn’t grow on trees” we are a proactive club and put in hours both on the pitch and off it but it is frustrating that we only have a 12 month contract and cannot get any help so even if we wanted too cannot progress up the ladder of success 

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9 hours ago, Richard Rundle said:

It's not just a Cornwall issue. I collate league tables across the whole of the country, and more than 20% of teams have disappeared over the last 8 years

I haven't finished sorting out data for 2017-18 yet, but in 2008-09 (the first year I did this) there were 11451 teams in my spreadsheet and in 2016-17 just 9137. That covers all levels of open-age Saturday football in England (& Cornwall!) from the Premier League to the most basic of "grassroots" levels.

Nor is it just football Richard.  All team sports across the country and Europe are suffering similar downturns; sadly I think that Digger1000 isn't too far off the mark.  Trelawny has reduced from 94 teams in 2012-13 to 67 now and that's not far off a 30% reduction in just 5 years.

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Travelling is another massive off put these days

im sure you wouldn’t have all these problems if sennen were back playing pendeen in the West penwith league and marazion were playing madron in the amor shield....just take a look and see we’re some clubs have got to travel to play in a junior football match,it’s ridiculous!

teams in and around the Truro/Falmouth shouldn’t be travelling to mousehole,st just 

to play in the trelawny league 

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6 minutes ago, digger1000 said:

Travelling is another massive off put these days

im sure you wouldn’t have all these problems if sennen were back playing pendeen in the West penwith league and marazion were playing madron in the amor shield....just take a look and see we’re some clubs have got to travel to play in a junior football match,it’s ridiculous!

teams in and around the Truro/Falmouth shouldn’t be travelling to mousehole,st just 

to play in the trelawny league 

I agree bring back Falmouth helston league and mining leagues

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20 minutes ago, GEACH1 said:

I agree bring back Falmouth helston league and mining leagues

Would get bigger crowds and I think teams would stay for a drink/food more often 

they don’t hang about much if they’ve got an hours drive back to st Erme or probus etc

 

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1 hour ago, digger1000 said:

Travelling is another massive off put these days

im sure you wouldn’t have all these problems if sennen were back playing pendeen in the West penwith league and marazion were playing madron in the amor shield....just take a look and see we’re some clubs have got to travel to play in a junior football match,it’s ridiculous!

teams in and around the Truro/Falmouth shouldn’t be travelling to mousehole,st just 

to play in the trelawny league 

Could this be why Madron have played all their five league games at home to date! :)

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