Dave Deacon Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 WESTERN LEAGUE, PREMIER DIVISION SATURDAY 6 JANUARY 2024 Barnstaple Town P-P Helston Athletic Buckland Athletic 5-0 Welton Rovers Clevedon Town 0-1 St Blazey Falmouth Town 0-1 Bridgwater United Ilfracombe Town 0-0 Brixham Oldland Abbotonians P-P Millbrook Shepton Mallet 4-2 Torpoint Athletic Street 2-2 Saltash United Wellington 1-5 Nailsea & Tickenham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Town Fan Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Falmouth Town v Bridgwater United is ON. Confirmed on Twitter, for all the details Click Here. A big thanks to all the ground staff at Bickland Park. Quiet Man and mattelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Buckland Athletic v Welton Rovers is on, no need for an inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Town Fan said: Falmouth Town v Bridgwater United is ON. Confirmed on Twitter, for all the details Click Here. A big thanks to all the ground staff at Bickland Park. Two title contenders going head to head.A beautifull day at Bickland, if your game is off and you want your footie fix, With one of the best non league atmospheres.As Leslie Crowther used to say "COME ON DOWN !" and at only £6 adults ,£3 concessions ,then the price really is right. RAPPO, Town Fan, The Town Man and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 4 hours ago, mattelot said: Two title contenders going head to head.A beautifull day at Bickland, if your game is off and you want your footie fix, With one of the best non league atmospheres.As Leslie Crowther used to say "COME ON DOWN !" and at only £6 adults ,£3 concessions ,then the price really is right. How’s that atmosphere now nige??? 🤣🤣🤣💙💙💙 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, le boss said: How’s that atmosphere now nige??? 🤣🤣🤣💙💙💙 The majority of the 467 crowd feeling a bit deflated bash.A refereeing decision denied us a great free kick equaliser, but heh ho,let's not get into that. Town Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, mattelot said: The majority of the 467 crowd feeling a bit deflated bash.A refereeing decision denied us a great free kick equaliser, but heh ho,let's not get into that. I think we should! Tom Annear hit a lovely free kick into top corner from 22 yards, Wardy was near keeper as wall being set up and then when ref blew whistle he ran away from the ball and keeper. Ball ends up in net, linesman does NOT raise flag. Bridgwater complain to ref so ref decides to go and speak to Lino (who remember did not put flag up) and after discussion decides offside??? firstly why did the ref go to Lino if hasn’t raised flag? Ref should look over see no flag…goal given. Secondly why has ref given in to being harassed into going over to speak to the Lino at all?? oh well…this is why we all love football…be interesting for someone to post the video on here for all to see and maybe for the officials to learn 🤔🙈 The Town Man, Tommy Matthews and Town Fan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 What a result for Blazey. That new team minibus will be rocking on the way home. John Thomas Allcock, Paul and Dave Deacon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, mattelot said: The majority of the 467 crowd feeling a bit deflated bash.A refereeing decision denied us a great free kick equaliser, but heh ho,let's not get into that. Usually even themselves up over a season. Some of your fans were saying there might have been a penalty or two a few days ago. Win some lose some. Didn’t see the Blazey result coming either. mattelot and Fish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiksilver Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 46 minutes ago, Fish said: I think we should! Tom Annear hit a lovely free kick into top corner from 22 yards, Wardy was near keeper as wall being set up and then when ref blew whistle he ran away from the ball and keeper. Ball ends up in net, linesman does NOT raise flag. Bridgwater complain to ref so ref decides to go and speak to Lino (who remember did not put flag up) and after discussion decides offside??? firstly why did the ref go to Lino if hasn’t raised flag? Ref should look over see no flag…goal given. Secondly why has ref given in to being harassed into going over to speak to the Lino at all?? oh well…this is why we all love football…be interesting for someone to post the video on here for all to see and maybe for the officials to learn 🤔🙈 Obviously after contact from stockley park and VAR review Lino on field decision changed Fish, The Town Man, mattelot and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 50 minutes ago, Fish said: I think we should! Tom Annear hit a lovely free kick into top corner from 22 yards, Wardy was near keeper as wall being set up and then when ref blew whistle he ran away from the ball and keeper. Ball ends up in net, linesman does NOT raise flag. Bridgwater complain to ref so ref decides to go and speak to Lino (who remember did not put flag up) and after discussion decides offside??? firstly why did the ref go to Lino if hasn’t raised flag? Ref should look over see no flag…goal given. Secondly why has ref given in to being harassed into going over to speak to the Lino at all?? oh well…this is why we all love football…be interesting for someone to post the video on here for all to see and maybe for the officials to learn 🤔🙈 Referees have buzzer flags so don’t always need to flag to have a discussion with the referee. Sponge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Street 2 Saltash United 2 Proper old fashioned midfield dominated game. Street scored first, equaliser from Jake Curtis and then Street took lead with 15 left. Enter unlikely hero Tom Huyton with a screamer. 2-2 fair result for both on reflection. 4 points from 6..... 🙂🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, bighairydave said: Referees have buzzer flags so don’t always need to flag to have a discussion with the referee. Just heard Lino after game said he did not give decision….so no buzzer flag….ref decided it was offside….very odd!! Tommy Matthews, mattelot and Town Fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Fish said: Just heard Lino after game said he did not give decision….so no buzzer flag….ref decided it was offside….very odd!! I've heard lino said player was in offside position and the referee made the decision that they had interfered with an opponent. Lino correct not to raise the flag as he couldn't be sure an offside offence had occurred without discussion with the referee. TheOpinionoftheReferee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, bighairydave said: I've heard lino said player was in offside position and the referee made the decision that they had interfered with an opponent. Lino correct not to raise the flag as he couldn't be sure an offside offence had occurred without discussion with the referee. Totally agree with rational. Having seen two videos of free kick from both ends of ground….mmmmmm….if only VAR in Western league 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 40 minutes ago, bighairydave said: Referees have buzzer flags so don’t always need to flag to have a discussion with the referee. For transparency to the paying spectators, it's a shame the good old fashioned wave of the flag isn't considered better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 6 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: For transparency to the paying spectators, it's a shame the good old fashioned wave of the flag isn't considered better! I'd disagree. Should the assistant wave the flag and the referee award the goal then it looks like the referee has overruled the assistant. In this case, its clear that a decision needs to be made by both, and those that know and understand the game AND the laws would know this. TheOpinionoftheReferee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 Does every WL game have assistants with buzzers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said: Does every WL game have assistants with buzzers? Don't think so, certainly not aware of it at Buckland matches. Have encountered them in the past and you can often hear the buzz but not heard them much this season. Dave Deacon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 Remember the first time I encountered buzzers in flags, it was at Falmouth Town. Was on touchline opposite stand. Keeper kicked the ball long everyone else was in the opposition half, keeper went down injured. Kept pressing the buzzer nothing happened. Eventually someone noticed in the stand and got the ref attention. Halftime I said to the ref did you not hear the buzzer, he replied forgot to put the batteries in.🤔 Dave Deacon and Buckland Jim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Buckland Jim said: Don't think so, certainly not aware of it at Buckland matches. Have encountered them in the past and you can often hear the buzz but not heard them much this season. Lot's now go with vibrate only instead of a tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Man Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 4 hours ago, bighairydave said: I'd disagree. Should the assistant wave the flag and the referee award the goal then it looks like the referee has overruled the assistant. In this case, its clear that a decision needs to be made by both, and those that know and understand the game AND the laws would know this. Don't normally criticise refs as it's a tough job, but this was a very curious incident. It's admirable that you are trying to stick up for him but in this case there seems little scope for his defence. The only possible way for the offside decision to be made was if the Falmouth player (James Ward) was obscuring the keeper's view. The ref could have made that judgment himself as he was in a much better position to see it than the assistant referee. Why did he need to consult the assistant referee? My view is that Ward was standing right in front of the keeper whilst the free kick was being prepared which the ref may have seen as gamesmanship. Ward clearly ran away from the keeper before the kick was taken so he did not obstruct the keeper's view. The ref was looking to disallow the goal because of what went on before rather than what went on during the free kick in my opinion. Excuse my ignorance but can the ref disallow a goal for this reason? Great day for Helston today without even kicking a ball! mattelot and Town Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 6 Author Report Share Posted January 6 https://www.facebook.com/falmouthtownfc/videos/1075300613597583/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPPO Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Great whip over the wall from Tom, pretty poor positioning from the keeper, what’s to disallow about it? No need to get involved with it would have thought!? 🤷🏽♂️ mattelot, Jeff Chambers and Falmouthman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 8 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: https://www.facebook.com/falmouthtownfc/videos/1075300613597583/ It's a great video dave,unfortunately it can only be viewed if your on Facebook. Jeff Chambers and Town Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Town Fan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 9 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: https://www.facebook.com/falmouthtownfc/videos/1075300613597583/ 1 hour ago, mattelot said: It's a great video dave,unfortunately it can only be viewed if your on Facebook. Says the video is no longer available now. As for the keeper not seeing the ball, I was stood behind the keeper and I saw it! mattelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 30 minutes ago, Town Fan said: Says the video is no longer available now. Perhaps the buzzer has gone! 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Town Fan Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 21 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Perhaps the buzzer has gone! 😀 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOpinionoftheReferee Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 17 hours ago, Fish said: I think we should! Tom Annear hit a lovely free kick into top corner from 22 yards, Wardy was near keeper as wall being set up and then when ref blew whistle he ran away from the ball and keeper. Ball ends up in net, linesman does NOT raise flag. Bridgwater complain to ref so ref decides to go and speak to Lino (who remember did not put flag up) and after discussion decides offside??? firstly why did the ref go to Lino if hasn’t raised flag? Ref should look over see no flag…goal given. Secondly why has ref given in to being harassed into going over to speak to the Lino at all?? oh well…this is why we all love football…be interesting for someone to post the video on here for all to see and maybe for the officials to learn 🤔🙈 This was the correct process that is expected for these decisions. Worth noting that it is the referee who has final say whether an offside offence, in this case interfering with an opponent, has been committed. Essentially 2 people have 50% of the information. Assistant for offside position but from side on he can't decide/see if the player was interfering with an opponent by blocking line of sight or actions that impact the opponent, and that is the information the referee will have. The referee at this level, most probably, have an electronic beeper flag. The assistant will have Buzzed the referee to initiate the conversation. And when putting 2&2 together the referee decided that the attacker was a) in an offside position and b) interfering with the opponent. Buckland Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Man Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, TheOpinionoftheReferee said: This was the correct process that is expected for these decisions. Worth noting that it is the referee who has final say whether an offside offence, in this case interfering with an opponent, has been committed. Essentially 2 people have 50% of the information. Assistant for offside position but from side on he can't decide/see if the player was interfering with an opponent by blocking line of sight or actions that impact the opponent, and that is the information the referee will have. The referee at this level, most probably, have an electronic beeper flag. The assistant will have Buzzed the referee to initiate the conversation. And when putting 2&2 together the referee decided that the attacker was a) in an offside position and b) interfering with the opponent. To the letter of the law you are correct, except that the player clearly wasn't interfering with the opponent when the kick was taken. He had ran away by that point. If you were there you would have seen this and be in agreement with the comments on here. Falmouthman, mattelot and Town Fan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 A lot has been made about this decision but what about the game in general was it the right result or would a draw be a true reflection of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 6 minutes ago, John Henry said: A lot has been made about this decision but what about the game in general was it the right result or would a draw be a true reflection of the game. Good point! Bit like on telly, all the conversation is around a VAR decision and no discussion on the game itself! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOpinionoftheReferee Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, The Town Man said: To the letter of the law you are correct, except that the player clearly wasn't interfering with the opponent when the kick was taken. He had ran away by that point. If you were there you would have seen this and be in agreement with the comments on here. I didn't make any comment on whether it was the correct decision or not. I haven't seen it. My reply was more to offer an insight into how the decision was made. Specifically in reply to this part of the quote post: "firstly why did the ref go to Lino if hasn’t raised flag? Ref should look over see no flag…goal given." The Town Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Town Man Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Good point! Bit like on telly, all the conversation is around a VAR decision and no discussion on the game itself! 👍 Match Report now on another thread. Maybe comment on the match there. Jeff Chambers, Falmouthman and Dave Deacon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J MILLER Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 The lineman didn’t give it the referee flew solo on it. One of the strangest decisions I’ve ever seen. that aside it was a really good town performance and I would envisage while Bridgwater got the result they would know that they got away with one and will probably know they will have to recruit 3/4 to have any chance of being at the top come the end. HNY 😘 Jeff Chambers, Town Fan, mattelot and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falmouthman Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 I couldn’t see why the free kick was disallowed but to be fair we didn’t lose because of the ref but by conceding a really poor goal Onto the next game le boss and The Town Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 Another view of the incident. Depending on the device you're viewing on, may depend whether you can enlarge or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Clearly impacting the keepers line of vision as the ball was kicked Easy decision and a good onePlay silly games 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 7 Author Report Share Posted January 7 10 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said: Play silly games 🤷♂️ Better than watching the rain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Depends where your watching it from Dave.i don't think theres any need for the striker to do that.if I was the fk taker Id have had some choice words for the striker as that was a good set piece The Town Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryJayLew Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Maybe the next time the attacker will run towards the touchline as then he will definitely not be interfering with the sight line of the keeper and therefore no case to answer! TheOpinionoftheReferee and St Darren 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 49 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Another view of the incident. Depending on the device you're viewing on, may depend whether you can enlarge or not. Perfectly good goal.wardy nowhere near the keeper when the ball was kicked and onside hence no flag from the Assistant. Assistant sees a goal ,ref gives offside and got the Bridgwater keeper out of jail. Brianmooreshead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 17 minutes ago, mattelot said: Perfectly good goal.wardy nowhere near the keeper when the ball was kicked and onside hence no flag from the Assistant. Assistant sees a goal ,ref gives offside and got the Bridgwater keeper out of jail. Are you watching the same video or are you ignoring what the offside rule is which is clearly explained up the top Byron10 and TheOpinionoftheReferee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 21 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said: Are you watching the same video or are you ignoring what the offside rule is which is clearly explained up the top Watching the same video and was stood right behind the goal at the time Barry.A Bridgwater fan who was stood on the bank to the left in the video admitted in the bar after that it wasn't offside when the ball was kicked and they'd got out of jail free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourhavingalaugh Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 52 minutes ago, BryJayLew said: Maybe the next time the attacker will run towards the touchline as then he will definitely not be interfering with the sight line of the keeper and therefore no case to answer! Could an attacking player run behind the goal line before the free kick is taken and not be offside, and not interfer with the goalkeeper’s vision ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railwayman in Exile Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 You can run behind the goal line but you are still active so therefore in an offside position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourhavingalaugh Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 22 minutes ago, Railwayman in Exile said: You can run behind the goal line but you are still active so therefore in an offside position. Many thanks, and not inferring ? as I’ve often seen attacking players often start behind the goal line just before the corner is taken, and a goal is scored from the corner, but never seem to be ruled out. Interesting discussion which players and referees should take note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 7 Report Share Posted January 7 Clevedon Town 0v1 St Blazey. Att.171 St Blazey went into the match as huge underdogs considering Clevedon were top of the table and 4 points clear at the top. Clevedon, a former southern league club with a big ground would have fancied their chances before kick off but it was St Blazey who made the better start and at half time it remained 0v0 and the travelling support feeling confident of sneaking a good result. Clevedon hit the post early in the second half but St Blazey held on and then carried on where they ended the first half playing some good football. The break through came with 20 minutes to go after the ball fell to Reece Carroll after a great cross from Will Tinsley, who lobbed the ball into the far corner of the net. Both sides were reduced to 10 men soon after. St Blazey first after a poor tackle and then Clevedon when Piper was through on goal and hacked down. Clevedon through everything at St Blazey late on, one or two good saves needed and some excellent defending and St Blazey held on for a huge 3 points away from home. Their first Western league away win ever!! Great sceanes at the end of the match. The hard work put in against another title contender showed St Blazey can compete on the day. St Blazey deserved all three points and can now look forward to Tuesdays trip to Falmouth in the senior cup before a return to Blaise Park for two league fixtures. Days like yesterday is why we follow our club. The travelling faithful certainly enjoyed the day as did the St Blazey management. After all their hard work, that result makes it all worth while for them to. Yes.....the bus was bouncing on the way home. 🤩 A few highlights on the link below. https://youtu.be/DJ6gc29PxF8?si=HUCrV5IAl9rXumXe Thecupfootballblogger, Railwayman in Exile and Jeff Chambers 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, mattelot said: Watching the same video and was stood right behind the goal at the time Barry.A Bridgwater fan who was stood on the bank to the left in the video admitted in the bar after that it wasn't offside when the ball was kicked and they'd got out of jail free. Don't be sore loser's, get over it 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOpinionoftheReferee Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 12 hours ago, Railwayman in Exile said: You can run behind the goal line but you are still active so therefore in an offside position. It is not an offence to be in an offside position. You have to interfere with play by playing the ball or interfere with an opponent by attempting to play a ball that is close and impacting an opponent ability to play the ball, or an action that clearly impacts an opponent, or obstructing an opponents line of vision or gaining an advantage by receiving the from a rebound/save. The only possible outcome for offside offence would be for gaining an advantage if the keeper spilled it or it rebounded off the post or crossbar and then played the ball. Additionally, although unlikely a referee would be so extreme, deliberate leaving field of play in this way should be a caution for leaving field of play without permission when not as part of a normal playing movement so I would say you are right but just stay on the field of play and make sure you get out of the keepers vision. 12 hours ago, Yourhavingalaugh said: Many thanks, and not inferring ? as I’ve often seen attacking players often start behind the goal line just before the corner is taken, and a goal is scored from the corner, but never seem to be ruled out. Interesting discussion which players and referees should take note. Can't be offside directly from a corner, only once it is played again by a team mate can player be penalised for an offside offence. 14 hours ago, BrummyBarry said: Clearly impacting the keepers line of vision as the ball was kicked Easy decision and a good onePlay silly games 🤷♂️ I agree. Before the ball is kicked he runs in a straight line so he is continues to obstruct the vision of the keeper. He is still offside when it is kicked so that brings me to the conclusion that he is committing an offside offence by interfering with opponent. John Thomas Allcock and St Darren 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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