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The big jump last season of players only playing up to 4 games. Bet you that is young players, who try it, don't like it and leave the game. It's them we need to attract. Also those sticking it for a whole season from season 14/15 to 15/16 halved. One reason could be the bad winter two years ago when teams did not play for week after week. Players went off and did other things and never came back. 

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Could well be there birthday falls late in the season as well ctb

Seem to remember in the old mining league we used to be regionalised for the Dunn Cup and used to play the same teams every year on round robin basis

 

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A lot of the ‘equivalent standard  junior players’ from years gone by are now playing combo football henceforth the reason why the overall standard of combo football decreases year on year in my opinion. 

Jeez, I played in it for 3 years!!!

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2 hours ago, B_D said:

Whenever I've asked someone personally, it's always been because of work, not getting enough time or they just can't be bothered. I have never heard of a player leaving the game purely based on travel. 

I've reached out to people on Facebook for answers. I'll be doing the same again this week to try and get answers. 

Unfortunately, we do not collect email addresses so I can't try and email the players to get answers. I do however hold all the addresses - anyone want to chip in for postage? 

I can only go on the information that I have here... I'm not going to speculate nor jump to conclusions! I enjoy travelling around the County both as a player and as a referee personally.

I’m amazed that in 2017 a request for email address isn’t on the registration form, is there a reason for this or have they not been updated this century?

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BD hats off to you for all the work you are putting in to grass roots football ,  you take lots of stick , but you keep going and try to raise interest in the local game ,  From a personal perspective I couldn't manage a team now ,  any manager deserves praise the hours and money it costs is unbelievable ,for no thanks bar abuse when some players are benched .  The good old days have gone  , players move clubs more than they used to , more as John Mead has stated leave our county for education and to better their futures never to return , the world is a smaller place now , when younger I didn't know anybody who went to university or travelled , the opportunity is there for younger people and good luck to them .  Weekend work ,  less free time , youth football , volunteers getting older and unable to keep clubs going , costs to run clubs , eg insurance , kits , rent  when Cornwall is a mainly low income area ,  As another poster said injuries can keep you off work and to get personal insurance isn't cheap ,  nearly every month another team folds  , it will keep happening until it levels out and unfortunately we all will see less teams and smaller leagues . Hope I am wrong as I still love the beautiful game  but I fear it will get worse before it gets better .

 

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8 minutes ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

I’m amazed that in 2017 a request for email address isn’t on the registration form, is there a reason for this or have they not been updated this century?

It's hard enough to get players to write their name's and house number correctly - I'd have no hope requesting email addresses aha!

 

8 minutes ago, stevieb said:

BD hats off to you for all the work you are putting in to grass roots football ,  you take lots of stick , but you keep going and try to raise interest in the local game ,  From a personal perspective I couldn't manage a team now ,  any manager deserves praise the hours and money it costs is unbelievable ,for no thanks bar abuse when some players are benched .  The good old days have gone  , players move clubs more than they used to , more as John Mead has stated leave our county for education and to better their futures never to return , the world is a smaller place now , when younger I didn't know anybody who went to university or travelled , the opportunity is there for younger people and good luck to them .  Weekend work ,  less free time , youth football , volunteers getting older and unable to keep clubs going , costs to run clubs , eg insurance , kits , rent  when Cornwall is a mainly low income area ,  As another poster said injuries can keep you off work and to get personal insurance isn't cheap ,  nearly every month another team folds  , it will keep happening until it levels out and unfortunately we all will see less teams and smaller leagues . Hope I am wrong as I still love the beautiful game  but I fear it will get worse before it gets better .

 

Thanks for the kind words Steve - I learnt how to use the block button :c:

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7 minutes ago, St Darren said:

A lot of the ‘equivalent standard  junior players’ from years gone by are now playing combo football henceforth the reason why the overall standard of combo football decreases year on year in my opinion. 

Jeez, I played in it for 3 years!!!

Well done that you played in the combo , I was never good enough to play ,   but have to disagree about the standard it did drop a few years back but with the likes of Ludgvan , Carharack ,  ST. Day at present  Pendeen , West Cornwall  playing good football and most clubs have players who could get in the top teams of the league it has improved .

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4 minutes ago, St Darren said:

The overall standard of the combo league isn’t as good. There are some good teams in it but it doesn’t go down far in the league

 

i played because I had a left foot

I will suppress the temptation to suggest that this is not uncommon in bipedal mammals. In fact almost a requirement for the able bodied. Do you mean that you are left handed, only in the lower limb, thus improving your perceived skills on the left hand side of the pitch?

If so, you put yourself down, left footedness may be a small advantage, but it needs fitness and a footballing brain to make it of any use. I suspect that the level of football you played was due entirely to your overall skills, rather some quirk of “handedness”.

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10 minutes ago, St Darren said:

The overall standard of the combo league isn’t as good. There are some good teams in it but it doesn’t go down far in the league

 

i played because I had a left foot

You do yourself down Darren ,   but that is why they are in that position still good players in the lower placed clubs  ,  but credit to those who have a go been to many over the years playing below their level and becoming big fish in a small pond .

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9 minutes ago, footballlegend7 said:

I’m pretty sure we haven’t folded at newlyn  lions , and dolphins didn’t fold they changed name  to lions 

I’m pretty sure we haven’t folded at newlyn  lions , and dolphins didn’t fold they changed name  to lions 

Hmm, that’s an awful lot of space to take up with double (very, very long) quotes followed by duplicate comments! 

Changing your name all the time does tend to cause confusion, just ask M.K. Dons, no longer Wombles it seems!

I wonder what happened to footballlegends 1-6?

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I believe that people in lower leagues don’t travel. It’s not due too not wanting too but it’s due too youngsters having evening jobs where they work to afford there cars and other things. 

Youngsters just aren’t coming through like they used to either. Maybe a review of playing ages might help lowering it a bit too get youngsters involved and wanting to play. 

The cost is also an issue most clubs are small and run on a very low budget and covering club costs and even pitch rental doesn’t help giving these lads the chance to play for nothing. Or very little.

Being a manager is a full time job in its own right maybe some don’t have contacts like the old days or that players just can’t be bothered to get someone in to help the club if they might lose there place. 

Battling for a place in a squad or starting line up seems to be something that doesn’t happen much these days and that they just walk away and if they leave pals might follow. 

It’s a shame too see but would the same problem occur if leagues are regionalised with either lack of competition that you play against or offers from bigger clubs in higher leagues. 

Are fines the issue with people not wanting to pay these if money is an issue. Do people get fed up of officals? Do people just go to clubs for glory and sit on a bench just too say they play there? Are people not as competitive as they used to be? 

Is the season actually too long to commit too? Would young players rather play rugby with a chance of making a career in a sport that’s scouted in cornwall?

Just a few points I’ve thought of after chacewater and now made are gone and hearing a few more are on the way. 

Could clubs be restricted on how many teams they can have too get players at other clubs.

 

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I know some people may have said it but, BRING BACK THE FALMOUTH HELSTON - MINING LEAGUE don’t remember any of this trouble when it was the old days !!! 

Miss the Old Mining league / Fal Helston League. 

I remember being a 14 year old and couldn’t think of anything more appealing than playing football on Saturday, and can’t see how, the youngsters of this generation aren’t interested in playing men’s football! Unless it’s because  they’ve jumped straight into senior/swpl football? 

I do think there needs, to be a stronger format on, leaving a club, then starting up again, I know it’s the clubs that Vote each other back in! 

Horrible to see, Two clubs who have Been well run, especially Chacewater fold within a week! 

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One of the things I hate about these new leagues is that you don’t know anyone anymore.Years ago you would know pretty much everyone on the other team by their first name now it’s 90 mins of football and Home.The distances between games now at junior has affected the social side of it I have no doubt

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10 hours ago, jolzy10 said:

I'm sure the lads at Trispen would appreciate that, knowing most of them I can't imagine they'd want to finish so early!!! 

Hi dave.ive spoken to elliot,both st erme and mariners have no game on the 25th november so we could play each other at there home pitch but trispen are home and as we know theyve played quite a few already,would it be possible the league could sort something out and allow st erme to have the pitch?   Thanks   fudge

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8 minutes ago, digger1000 said:

One of the things I hate about these new leagues is that you don’t know anyone anymore.Years ago you would know pretty much everyone on the other team by their first name now it’s 90 mins of football and Home.The distances between games now at junior has affected the social side of it I have no doubt

Digger perhaps it's down to players moving around more ,   drink driving has made a difference as well in a good way , people won't take a chance , alcohol from pubs ,clubs is now expensive  go to the super market and see how many cans you can buy for a tenner  , this adds to the social side or lack of it .   Attitude towards the game has changed ,  from players , supporters to sponsorship  , less money in our pockets to spend ,we all have to budget . Don't think the new league is a problem  just football in general , 

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12 minutes ago, fudge said:

Hi dave.ive spoken to elliot,both st erme and mariners have no game on the 25th november so we could play each other at there home pitch but trispen are home and as we know theyve played quite a few already,would it be possible the league could sort something out and allow st erme to have the pitch?   Thanks   fudge

I’ll send this over to Dave James for you Fudge. 

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14 hours ago, Mrgreen said:

Some, but maybe not all have themselves to blame..

Managers often choose to play, transient, here today, gone tomorrow "superstar" players ahead of more loyal(maybe a little older) not as good players. I understand the desire to win. But who's winning now???

This is difficult to manage and maintain, speaking from experience and from what I have seen - see Mabe as a prime example. Is it a conincence they folded after they started losing matches?

 

No.

 

Players don't want to lose every week or they'll lose interest. I have a very young team, anyone who has played us will tell you that. But the focus has got to be on winning in order to keep everyone interested. Plus, ultimately, that's the aim isn't it?

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I'll have to take your word for it. I misunderstood. I was under the impression, Mabe folded because most if not all players were transient and up and left. 

Maybe, and it is just maybe. If they had stuck with the more loyal, but not as good boys they would have lost a few games, but would still be going and be having a social after.

winning was VERY VERY important to me... But not as important as playing.

 

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I remember when I first played for Holmans back in the early 1980s we were regularly being beaten by double figures but we stuck with it and improved and ended up making the area final of the junior cup and winning promotion to the combo. That to me gave me far more satifaction than moving to a club that was winning every week and yes I did have offers to move to better clubs. But then that's loyalty and there are very few loyal players around today

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41 minutes ago, Postman Pat said:

I remember when I first played for Holmans back in the early 1980s we were regularly being beaten by double figures but we stuck with it and improved and ended up making the area final of the junior cup and winning promotion to the combo. That to me gave me far more satifaction than moving to a club that was winning every week and yes I did have offers to move to better clubs. But then that's loyalty and there are very few loyal players around today

Lots of loyalty about, that loyalty just isn't related to clubs. It is to managers or other players/friends etc

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There lies the problem for clubs Tempo. And that is why Mabe have folded because it was set up by a group of mates who then just left a few loyal people to struggle on because they needed to win.People need to realise that only one team can win a league but without the other teams there will be no league.

 

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On 07/11/2017 at 12:46, cornishteddyboy said:

Tell the CFA to ban mid-week 6-a-side leagues!

Sadly you are right. But this is what the fa thought was a good idea 13 years ago and are only beginning to realize it is killing 11 a side. There is more money to made in 6 aside and 5 aside run leagues for the fa. They get to keep thier pockets fat

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4 minutes ago, Leehh said:

Sadly you are right. But this is what the fa thought was a good idea 13 years ago and are only beginning to realize it is killing 11 a side. There is more money to made in 6 aside and 5 aside run leagues for the fa. They get to keep thier pockets fat

Are there any Cornwall FA run 5 or 6 a side leagues in the County?

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On 07/11/2017 at 13:02, Portreathlegend said:

I think there are a few issues....... with suggestions

No loyalty....... hard to change its just the next generation of spoilt players coming through

Too expensive to participate for youngsters and unemployed ( I know some clubs subsidise for unemployed or younger players, but smaller clubs cant afford to do that)..... the league works with the Cornwall FA to make funding available to clubs if they have 16-18 year olds or unemployed players??

As soon as the season ends, the whole team can just bugger off to another club, no questions asked.- massive headache preseason for every manager and the league to have to get everyone signed on again, why not say once your signed for a club that's it, over preseason still enforce the transfer procedure, this gives manager and clubs more stability as no mass exodus, cuts down workload for the league and clubs........ as an example ( Chacewater players walking out preseason and joing St.Agnes and Mabe players preseason all walking out and going to Falmouth Town)----- Email going to the league to make suggested rule change.

 

Sorry but no. No protection for players. And still alot of paper work for transfers as won't stop players leaving and you are actually costing teams money because of transfer fees. So hurting the team more than the fa. They don't need more money.

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16 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

Are there any Cornwall FA run 5 or 6 a side leagues in the County?

Yep alot. One in truro. One in poole. One in st austell. Etc etc they have there name to them.

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5 minutes ago, bighairydave said:

I don’t think the leagues are run by the CCFA, aren’t those ones Soccer Sixes, etc.

I tend to agree with you . Soccersixes is affiliated with the English Football Association, probably nothing much to do with the Cornwall FA.

Be interesting to hear from anyone reading this who plays in these Soccersixes leagues. What are they all about?

I used to enjoy playing in five a side leagues at both Polkyth and Carn Brea - leagues made up of some of the best players around, but it didn’t make any of us say that we couldn’t be bothered with Saturday football!

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What I don't get about Mabe is that they had a team of capable of challenging for the Trelawny League title. But the manager instead of trying to earn promotion by merit the manager upsticks to take over another clubs Res side in the Combo and play second fiddle. He will never see his teams name of the Trelawny League Shield. Shame.

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1 hour ago, Mr Justice said:

What I don't get about Mabe is that they had a team of capable of challenging for the Trelawny League title. But the manager instead of trying to earn promotion by merit the manager upsticks to take over another clubs Res side in the Combo and play second fiddle. He will never see his teams name of the Trelawny League Shield. Shame.

If they keep going the way they are he may see his players lifting the combination league title! 

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3 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

I tend to agree with you . Soccersixes is affiliated with the English Football Association, probably nothing much to do with the Cornwall FA.

Be interesting to hear from anyone reading this who plays in these Soccersixes leagues. What are they all about?

I used to enjoy playing in five a side leagues at both Polkyth and Carn Brea - leagues made up of some of the best players around, but it didn’t make any of us say that we couldn’t be bothered with Saturday football!

Ccfa is a sister to cornwall fa same as devon fa. Same as derbyshire fa and so on. Efa is the parent so ccfa will look after the 5 aside and 6 aside leagues here by order of efa

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43 minutes ago, Leehh said:

Ccfa is a sister to cornwall fa same as devon fa. Same as derbyshire fa and so on. Efa is the parent so ccfa will look after the 5 aside and 6 aside leagues here by order of efa

When you say “look after” what does that mean? It’s been suggested that these soccer sixes leagues are of financial benefit to the Cornwall FA - by how much?

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18 hours ago, Leehh said:

Sorry but no. No protection for players. And still alot of paper work for transfers as won't stop players leaving and you are actually costing teams money because of transfer fees. So hurting the team more than the fa. They don't need more money.

Sorry are you a little slow or unable to read.........

What I have put forward to the league doesn't bring in more revenue for the league it just stops all players walking out at the end of season.......

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15 hours ago, Leehh said:

Ccfa is a sister to cornwall fa same as devon fa. Same as derbyshire fa and so on. Efa is the parent so ccfa will look after the 5 aside and 6 aside leagues here by order of efa

I've now had clarification on the Small Sided Football subject and there are actually 3 types of small sided provider:-

National Providers – Affiliated to The FA (Goals, Soccers Sixes, Power League etc)

The National Providers pay The FA directly for affiliation and for that they are allowed to use registered referees, and receive support with the disciplinary process. It also means that if a player misbehaves in these centres in a serious way they can be banned from all football.

 

Local Providers – Affiliated to Cornwall FA (Premier Sixes, St Austell 6-a-side and Truro 6-a-side (Glyn Gapper) Soccernights

Local Providers – Similar to the national providers except they affiliate locally direct to Cornwall FA and the Cornwall FA insure them and allow them to use the affiliated referees and support them with discipline should they require it.

 

Non Affiliated Providers –

Non-Affiliated – They don’t pay any money to The FA or Cornwall FA, therefore registered referees do not officiate in them and should serious discipline occur it will not transfer over to the other formats of the game.

 

The Small-sided Leagues pay to affiliate (as do all leagues) and that is it, Cornwall FA do not take any other money from them and have nothing to do with the running of the leagues. They also don’t make a profit from them, some County FA’s with their own facilities do run small sided leagues in house, Cornwall FA do not.

 

I also understand, contrary to opinions, that The FA actually make hardly any money from small sided football, they are all independent businesses, they affiliate and there are some partnership programmes, such as Goals and The FA Peoples Cup (which is a great initiative) but ultimately apart from that not a lot more unless as stated above a County FA have a pitch and run one in-house.

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