Dave Deacon Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Wow. (Not altogether surprising though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Way Of The Park said: Wow. (Not altogether surprising though). Three clubs are going to be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, silly billy said: Three clubs are going to be disappointed At least 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Shambles. Every club knew long before the season started what the situation was. Now heading towards March thats not happening. Its not good enough really. The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 What a week. Ian Pethick, Buckland Jim, SteveM and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetty Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 The wording of the statement indicates that the door might not be shut on a step 5 league run by the peninsula league. Or am I reading this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Hetty said: The wording of the statement indicates that the door might not be shut on a step 5 league run by the peninsula league. Or am I reading this wrong? I think it’s not happening full stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Paul said: Shambles. Every club knew long before the season started what the situation was. Now heading towards March thats not happening. Its not good enough really. The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 What a week. Or they might all decide to boycott the Cornish clubs, anything is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWRFC Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Paul said: The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 That's largely dependant on who gets promoted from the WL, and relegated from the Southern League. It could easily balance out. I feel for the Step 6 clubs that will now not be promoted, having previously been guaranteed promotion places for the Top 4 sides in each division. That's likely to mean 8 teams who've budgeted and worked hard for promotion, let down by their league officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, silly billy said: Or they might all decide to boycott the Cornish clubs, anything is possible That would be interesting to see what punishment the Western League would give them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Dave Deacon said: That would be interesting to see what punishment the Western League would give them! If they all stuck together, can't see they can do a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetObserver Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Paul said: Shambles. Every club knew long before the season started what the situation was. Now heading towards March thats not happening. Its not good enough really. The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 What a week. There are only 3 clubs from the Bristol area in the Premier division and one of them in Keynsham or Cadbury Heath will be relegated so it is plausible that next season depending on who goes up and comes down that there may well only be only 1 or 2 clubs from the Bristol area in the Premier Division anyway. It's why I thought that the merger was never actually needed in the first place as within a few season the geography will balance itself out without needing to weaken football in the South West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just now, silly billy said: If they all stuck together, can't see they can do a lot! Well surely the league would have to say you play or get penalised by either loss of points or being thrown out the league. You can’t have clubs deciding who they want and not want to play surely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWRFC Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: That would be interesting to see what punishment the Western League would give them! That absolutely wouldn't happen. You'll likely see more clubs quickly getting their lateral movement requests in, and a couple others possibly asking for voluntary relegation. No chance of any organised 'boycott' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides of the Tamar Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, Paul said: Shambles. Every club knew long before the season started what the situation was. Now heading towards March thats not happening. Its not good enough really. The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 What a week. Might see further WL Prem resignations or more requests to move laterally to the Hellenic League. Now can we move on to push for a Step 5 league covering Cornwall, Devon and South Somerset outside the reaches of the WL? Any club that has spent big to gamble on the Top 4 - and I’m not thinking of Blazey - might be in an awkward spot now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Both Sides of the Tamar said: Might see further WL Prem resignations or more requests to move laterally to the Hellenic League. Now can we move on to push for a Step 5 league covering Cornwall, Devon and South Somerset outside the reaches of the WL? Any club that has spent big to gamble on the Top 4 - and I’m not thinking of Blazey - might be in an awkward spot now! Will St Blazey want it now? Who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, silly billy said: Will St Blazey want it now? Who knows Absolutely. Why not. Both Sides of the Tamar and Buckland Jim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides of the Tamar Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, silly billy said: Will St Blazey want it now? Who knows They should! A club well equipped for Steo 5 (and I’m not a Blazey fan). Excellent club all round! Thecupfootballblogger, SteveM, Ric Flair and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Paul said: Absolutely. Why not. More travelling than expected now. I hope they do though, be good to see Falmouth back at St Blazey mattelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetty Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 It’s already been said above that there will now be a mass movement for sideways movement. The western league premier is going to be made up of clubs from Devon and Cornwall and Somerset governed by league officers from bath and Bristol. How does that make sense. Both Sides of the Tamar and Ian Pethick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Hetty said: It’s already been said above that there will now be a mass movement for sideways movement. The western league premier is going to be made up of clubs from Devon and Cornwall and Somerset governed by league officers from bath and Bristol. How does that make sense. If they had any integrity, they would all resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetObserver Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Hetty said: It’s already been said above that there will now be a mass movement for sideways movement. The western league premier is going to be made up of clubs from Devon and Cornwall and Somerset governed by league officers from bath and Bristol. How does that make sense. This is false a number of the leagues board, an overwhelming majority in fact live close to Western League Premier Division clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamar.man Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 the new step 5 in the proposals would of weakened the remaining leagues in Cornwall in my opinion, so maybe better news for Cornish football as a whole, but not so good for clubs that have tried to buy their way into step 5, will be interesting to see how step 5 clubs further away react now, popcorn ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 the western league was so Bristol based and the swp title winners kept refusing promotion sighting travelling expenses but still paying over the odds for the team. The FA have long wanted teams in the far south west to move up and now they have been forced to take promotion it’s Bristol clubs who complain about the travelling by default this will become a Cornwall Devon Somerset league but travelling will always be a problem wellington to mousehole is still a 300 mile round trip I firmly believe the fa hq has no maps just mileage chart and think everywhere has a motorway baldy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 It grieves me to say this,BUT both Leagues' Officers, through their selfish intransigence,put themselves before the wishes of the Clubs.From a distance it appears that the 2 main Officers could show no mutual respect-or trust: a prelude to disaster! Buckland Jim, cornish leg end, Ian Hunn and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Adlestrop said: It grieves me to say this,BUT both Leagues' Officers, through their selfish intransigence,put themselves before the wishes of the Clubs.From a distance it appears that the 2 main Officers could show no mutual respect-or trust: a prelude to disaster! Think you’ve hit the nail on the head but it’s a real shame as both have worked tremendously hard on the own leagues and getting them as well run as they are. think both need to give there heads a wobble now meet in the middle and go forward now not wait till season has finished. Buckland Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 Personal opinions before that of the club's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetty Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 So are you suggesting that Mr Hiscox allowed the western league just take over then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Well surely the league would have to say you play or get penalised by either loss of points or being thrown out the league. You can’t have clubs deciding who they want and not want to play surely! The fine for not fulfilling a Western League fixture is £2500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 14 hours ago, Paul said: Shambles. Every club knew long before the season started what the situation was. Now heading towards March thats not happening. Its not good enough really. The funny bit of it all, is that the Bristol clubs that moan so much, will now have to put up with even more travelling when one from the West and East get promoted. 😂 What a week. Would be interesting if the minutes from the meetings held were ever made public. Could see what was discussed, what the points of disagreement were and when it started to go wrong. Foul Throw 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 The Western League have sent out their response on the merger being called off - click on this link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foul Throw 3 Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 It's a public break up for all to see like you'd see on Facebook blaming each other and taking very little self reflection. "DM me hun, he never deserved you" Pathetic! Will have huge repercussions for member clubs. cornish leg end and Ian Pethick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 If you want a daft position look at Western Div 1. Brislington took relegation as they couldn’t cope with the travelling costs. Ended up the Div 1 taking a lot of Bitton players and wanting to come back to a premier North. Now if they get promoted- sorry lads back to the travelling to the league you couldn’t l cope with. you couldn’t make it up! Buckland Jim, Ian Pethick and Paul 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWRFC Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, Philheybrookbay said: Brislington took relegation ...Now if they get promoted- sorry lads back to the travelling to the league you couldn’t l cope with. In Western 1 it will now be promotion for the first placed side, and then play-offs for 2nd to 5th. Easy for Bris to avoid promotion. Though it's also possible that Brislington won't be eligible for promotion/competing in the play-offs anyway, due to having taken voluntary relegation. This was the case for Odd Down last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hetty Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 Western statement suggests they proposed splitting premier division in half next season? what sort of league does that? Guessing all the Cornish clubs would have been cast aside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Philheybrookbay said: If you want a daft position look at Western Div 1. Brislington took relegation as they couldn’t cope with the travelling costs. Ended up the Div 1 taking a lot of Bitton players and wanting to come back to a premier North. Now if they get promoted- sorry lads back to the travelling to the league you couldn’t l cope with. you couldn’t make it up! Brislington FC Twitter retweeting comments made by people suggesting that Western Prem clubs will now be "queuing up" to take voluntary relegation. What a mess. Philheybrookbay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 Western division 1 already over loaded as it is. No room at the Inn for any more thats for sure. It's going to be intresting to see what happens thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Chown Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 Surely now is the best opportunity for Cornwall/Devon clubs to get promoted to Western League Premier? Which teams have applied to go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 In a simple word. Chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Richard Chown said: Which teams have applied to go up? Don’t have to apply Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides of the Tamar Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Way Of The Park said: Brislington FC Twitter retweeting comments made by people suggesting that Western Prem clubs will now be "queuing up" to take voluntary relegation. What a mess. Bris got in early and took relegation. One of the most vocal whiners at the outset of ‘Cornish 4’ being earmarked for promotion! No loss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Richard Chown said: Surely now is the best opportunity for Cornwall/Devon clubs to get promoted to Western League Premier? Which teams have applied to go up? They don't need to apply, as promotion is automatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 If there are vacancies in WL, I believe they can be filled by lateral movements from other near-by Step 5 Leagues and/or by offering promotion to 2nd placed Step 6 Clubs, based on a national, points per game calculation. It's a complex arrangement where a Step 6 Team in Yorkshire could top the ppg table and fill a Step 5 vacancy created in the WL. Lateral movements, dictated by the NLS, could then shuffle Clubs around so that the WL vacancy is filled. Madness but very politically correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWRFC Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 21/02/2023 at 21:16, John Mead said: Madness but very politically correct! Promoting teams based on PPG is not "political correctness" 😂 Town Fan and mattelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 21/02/2023 at 21:16, John Mead said: If there are vacancies in WL, I believe they can be filled by lateral movements from other near-by Step 5 Leagues and/or by offering promotion to 2nd placed Step 6 Clubs, based on a national, points per game calculation. It's a complex arrangement where a Step 6 Team in Yorkshire could top the ppg table and fill a Step 5 vacancy created in the WL. Lateral movements, dictated by the NLS, could then shuffle Clubs around so that the WL vacancy is filled. Madness but very politically correct! What do you mean by "politically correct?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 21/02/2023 at 21:16, John Mead said: If there are vacancies in WL, I believe they can be filled by lateral movements from other near-by Step 5 Leagues and/or by offering promotion to 2nd placed Step 6 Clubs, based on a national, points per game calculation. It's a complex arrangement where a Step 6 Team in Yorkshire could top the ppg table and fill a Step 5 vacancy created in the WL. Lateral movements, dictated by the NLS, could then shuffle Clubs around so that the WL vacancy is filled. Madness but very politically correct! I don't really think it is madness or politically correct, just trying to create a level playing field Wasn't this basically how St Dennis got back in Step 6 last off-season, UEA leaving the Eastern Counties Step 6 Division after the consitutions were announced and St Dennis being the next club in line were reprieved from relegation? Town Fan and Thecupfootballblogger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Richard R said: I don't really think it is madness or politically correct, just trying to create a level playing field Wasn't this basically how St Dennis got back in Step 6 last off-season, UEA leaving the Eastern Counties Step 6 Division after the consitutions were announced and St Dennis being the next club in line were reprieved from relegation? Yes, It worked well for St Dennis It's a very fair system on paper -hence "politically correct" - but at least one Club seemed to by-pass it last season. It just doesn't sit well with me that a vacancy at one end of the Country is filled by a Club at the other end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Hocking Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 The by-passing you refer to was perhaps the two clubs from the South-East who were granted entry to Step 6 this season despite not playing in a feeder league last season? All very unsatisfactory in the minds of many (inc. me) who feel that this is unfair on clubs within the system, but nevertheless allowed for in the FA’s rules - they give themselves full discretion over what happens next after the initial round of Step 7 promotions. Watch out for something similar happening at the end of this season concerning a new Bury phoenix club despite there already being one Bury phoenix club at Step 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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