TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Bruegel the Elder said: They could take a leaf out of Crickets book. Only allow VAR to be used following an appeal for review from one of the managers. Ten seconds to claim a VAR review after a referees decision, 2/3 reviews per team, per game, if your review is successful it is retained if overturned you lose it. When you run out of reviews it’s all down to the referee, as it is with umpires. Now that is a good idea. It cannot go on as it is...it is a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said: Now that is a good idea. It cannot go on as it is...it is a farce. That’s what happens when you get up at 0400 hours to watch the Test Match, you get good ideas, especially when England reviewed Sibleys LBW (more sentiment than sense, it was plumb!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 Shall we discuss again?? This time we'll talk about Lee Mason and Mike Dean, remember that VAR still has a human running it. Albeit incompetent ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, St Darren said: Shall we discuss again?? This time we'll talk about Lee Mason and Mike Dean, remember that VAR still has a human running it. Albeit incompetent ones Agree with you Darren, but the players don’t help matters do they? Almost as if they are taking the mick as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Dave Deacon said: Agree with you Darren, but the players don’t help matters do they? Almost as if they are taking the mick as well! But the var official should be there to pick that up shouldnt they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, St Darren said: But the var official should be there to pick that up shouldnt they? True. It would also help if a few of them had played the game! In effect the players are cheating, and they’ll continue whilst they’re getting away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 6, 2021 Report Share Posted February 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: True. It would also help if a few of them had played the game! In effect the players are cheating, and they’ll continue whilst they’re getting away with it! They realise how poor the officials are. There's no defending them now. Dean watched it about 20 times and still came to the conclusion that it was deliberate. They gave no one to answer to. No one sees their match reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Keith B said: That's an interesting point Dave. It would be interesting to know how many professional referees had played football - not necessarily at pro level, but at any level for a proper club. I'm sure most would have surely. I think I simply assumed that they all would have played the game at some level. I think a few years ago most would have, but today with the money floating around it could be a career choice now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 I know it can’t happen but for one weekend it would be interesting to have the VAR officials to be all ex players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: I know it can’t happen but for one weekend it would be interesting to have the VAR officials to be all ex players! I'd like one weekend with NO VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said: I'd like one weekend with NO VAR. I'd like every weekend with NO VAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted February 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 The book I was trying hard to remember , that talked about the internal wrangling within the referees organisation PGMOL is by Mark Halsey . Very interesting insight into the game from a referees perspective . its called Added time . I think Paul Merson wrote his and is was called " Addled Times " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: I'd like every weekend with NO VAR! Here's a like for you Dave. LIKE B Manning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted February 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 Again VAR is in the news , this time from a Wolves supporters point of view it worked in our favour .. It's still difficult to understand the mind set of the rule makers , with these new rules on handball , offside etc. . As regards the comparison with cricket and rugby and a VAR system I think we have to take into consideration that football is a different game in that the players have very little discipline compared with the other 2 sports . Cricket and rugby are far more disciplined in accepting decisions , whereas the majority of footballers will argue about most decisions even when they know they are wrong , and openly abuse officials . I think rather than conjure up silly amendments to rules like shirt sleeve length for hand ball , accidental hand ball and so on , they would be far better being stricter on cheating by diving , clamping down on abuse of officials and the surrounding of officials . The authorities seem to me to be afraid of enforcing discipline , we've had RESPECT thrown at us for years now , what effect has it had ? answers on a pin head please . baldy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, fenman said: we've had RESPECT thrown at us for years now , what effect has it had ? answers on a pin head please . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said: The tools that referees need to address and enforce the respect issue are there. Start sin binning, booking and sending off the offenders. There would be the initial shouts of "they're ruining the game", but the message would eventually sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 15, 2021 Report Share Posted February 15, 2021 The problem with the laws in football is that they are open to interpretation rather than being the same all the time. Such as a foul or a handball. And now they seem to have brought offside into that as well now. At the end of the day, the referees are still rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 How refreshing was it last night to watch the Liverpool game with competent officials and no over analysing of var. One quick look at an incident and done. If it wasn't clear the officials got it wrong they just got on with it, exactly how var should be. Also the referee was in full control of the game. The incompetent officials in this country could take a long look at that and react accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Where did the officials come from Darren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Where did the officials come from Darren? Not 100% sure where they were from but the referee hgadnt had a lot of champions league experience. But it was great not to hang around for VAR, there was an incident when Liverpool had a goal disallowed for the ball going out of play, it was really really tight, but the linesman flagged it off, they had a quick look and deemed it over the line abs got on with it. In this country we'd have been drawing lines and checking if loads, but in Europe they go with clear and obvious error!! But back to the ref, he was good, handed out a few ywllows and all deserved but the game went at a fast pace because he wasn't delaying anything from happening. TheolderIgetthebetterIwas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Keith B said: I like the post Darren. However your last paragraph is unjust in my opinion. Not all the officials in this country are incompetent. It's VAR that must be scrapped. As you say, the match must be allowed to flow. Don't forget it's officials who are running var. When there is a tight offside they are looking for anything to give it offside, in Europe they have a quick look and make a quick decision. OK, not all are incompetent, just the vast majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Keith B said: However your last paragraph is unjust in my opinion. Not all the officials in this country are incompetent. It's VAR that must be scrapped. As you say, the match must be allowed to flow. It would appear though Keith that the more familiar they have become with VAR, the impression is that they have become lazy almost knowing that the decision will be made elsewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Solomon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 As with cricket Dave. International Umpires do not make decisions on even the most obvious run-outs, stumpings, no balls any more as they know that the third umpire will do the job for them. As with football, the poor sods at lower levels have to make the decisions without any help. Strange how the top level refs/umpires seem to need the help, but the rest don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, djs said: the poor sods at lower levels have to make the decisions without any help But have far more respect from everyone for doing so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted February 18, 2021 Report Share Posted February 18, 2021 18 hours ago, djs said: As with cricket Dave. International Umpires do not make decisions on even the most obvious run-outs, stumpings, no balls any more as they know that the third umpire will do the job for them. As with football, the poor sods at lower levels have to make the decisions without any help. Strange how the top level refs/umpires seem to need the help, but the rest don't. To be fair to the umpires, pre 3rd umpire they needed three sets of eyes to check no balls, wickets/stumpings and catches all in different directions in less than a second. And they had to do this for 540+ balls per day over five days, often in the burning sun (England excepted of course). Football referees are softies by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 More evidence of awful officiating yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Now they want players to clap the referees onto the pitch!!! Hahaha, have you ever heard such rubbish. I'm going to clap the postman next week for doing his job and getting the right letters delivered to my house. TheolderIgetthebetterIwas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1970Johnson Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 If I was a player there is no way in this world would I clap Mike Dean onto the pitch !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 I'd clap every referee onto the pitch with the crap they get slung at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said: I'd clap every referee onto the pitch with the crap they get slung at them. Even getting paid over £200k a year. Doing a job where there's no answer to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, St Darren said: Even getting paid over £200k a year. Doing a job where there's no answer to anyone? They answer to everyone on every decision they give. Millions watch and have an opinion but will never do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 Don’t all these opinions show that we need more technology to aid hard pressed referees, not less. It just has to work! Is that too much to ask? (I eagerly anticipate a “yes” from someone!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Bruegel the Elder said: Don’t all these opinions show that we need more technology to aid hard pressed referees, not less. It just has to work! Is that too much to ask? (I eagerly anticipate a “yes” from someone!) The biggest question is how can they be trained? Consistency is the biggest thing that's required, rather than their own interpretation of sonething. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, Keith B said: Is that for real or just a joke Darren. What part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, St Darren said: What part? Consistency has never been a strong point with human beings, particularly when they’re given power! What do they say? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 24, 2021 Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Keith B said: Now they want to clap the referees on to the pitch. There's a campaign that was in the papers earlier in the week of support the ref, and there were calls for players to clap the referees onto the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Another week goes, anther farcical decision from a referee No surprise that it was Lee Mason, another who has a catalogue of mistakes, but he continues to referee and doesn't have to answer to anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, St Darren said: Another week goes, anther farcical decision from a referee No surprise that it was Lee Mason, another who has a catalogue of mistakes, but he continues to referee and doesn't have to answer to anyone It’s the same ones though. There are a few who are just quietly going about there business. To miss two penalties Brighton can only blame themselves for losing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 Have to go along with Lewis Dunk in agreeing that it’s a shame Lee Mason wasn’t the one being interviewed! It might have helped us understand what was going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, Keith B said: Agree Dave. At the time Lee Mason looked bemused, he didn't seem to know whether he'd blown already or not. Perhaps his time of refereeing should come to an end. I looked at his face and thought 'oh dear, he looks as if he's not with us'. I think he's been ok in the past (Darren won't agree) - but, maybe he should carefully consider his future as a ref. He was, due to be 4th official for thr Sheff Utd v Liverpool game this evening, but he's injured!! That's very convenient. Once again, they have no one to answer to and just get away with poor performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted February 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 A few weeks ago the Wolves manager Nuno told the F.A. that he didn't want Mason to referee anymore of his teams games . He said that he spoilt games by his constant stopping of play and his behavior toward players . As result he was heavily fined for his comments, the Southampton manager made a similar comment recently . Perhaps both managers were a little concerned about Masons ability from a health point of view and the F.A. ignored them and this is the result . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 28, 2021 Report Share Posted February 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, Keith B said: Surely somebody must assess them periodically, to make sure they are still up to it in terms of fitness and interpretation of the laws of the game. Well if that is so, he needs a medical check up. If he's not still A1 in all respects, that's sad, but he will have to stand down surely. His past record is good - I looked him up. You think so??? Is that was the case, how come Mason, Atwell, Moss, Pawlson are still there? I don't think there's many others coming through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 On the subject of men in the middle, these two podcasts below (about 30 minutes each) are a wonderful listen. They are about the great Abraham Klein, the Israeli who officiated the Brazil v England World Cup match in 1970 and is rated as possibly the best referee of the modern game. https://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2020/jun/03/abraham-klein-the-master-of-the-whistle-part-one-podcast-forgotten-stories-of-football https://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2020/jun/10/abraham-klein-the-master-of-the-whistle-part-two-podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Keith B said: I have to say, I thought that Mike Dean was wrong in awarding Harry Kane a penalty this last weekend. VAR wrong too in my book. Kane fell as his feet slipped - no contact with the player that I could see. Actually, don't lets start this over again Darren 🙂. Told ya, they're all rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldeneye Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Darren - every decision is easy, until your the one who has to make it! TheolderIgetthebetterIwas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Keith B said: One wonders what sort of referee Darren would make ? I don't want to be a referee, why do conversations about a referee have to go back to "could you do a better job" Referees choose to be in that position. At the top level of the game, they get paid extremely well, they have the benefit of VAR yet still make ridiculous decisions, and they continue to get a gig every weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Let's get the players to stop cheating and keep their mouths shut...that would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said: Let's get the players to stop cheating and keep their mouths shut...that would help. I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with. Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it? Why??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, St Darren said: I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with. Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it? Why??? It has all come from the top and filtered to our level too. Society itself now feels empowered to do and say what they like, and it's wrong. Look at the Bristol riots...England...really! Disgraceful lack of control by the usual suspects no doubt. Throw the bloody book at them. Attack the police for doing their job...wrong on all levels, no respect, no control, what's next...kill a policeman/ woman for protecting us from the mob. Times are tough enough at the moment without this nonsense. The controls are in place for our benefit and its about time everyone took notice. It will end, we just have to wait a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmooreshead Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 On 25/03/2021 at 13:33, St Darren said: I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with. Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it? Why??? Thought of Darren this weekend, some appalling refereeing on view. The decision to disallow the Cavani goal was pitiful. how any referee can watch the reply of that and do anything other than book son for his pathetic reaction is beyond me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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