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  1. Looks good , I watched the Greavesy documentary last week , your pitch looks a lot better than some of the pitches from the 60's .remember in the 70 's on our pitch right next to the North Sea , with all of the team out in the morning first thing armed with forks trying to help it drain , and the chairman ringing bags of sawdust for the goal mouth . Madness but happy memories , just to get a game on a Saturday . How things change , many players can't be bothered to turn up to play let alone fork a pith over at 8.o'clock in the morning .
  2. Don't totaly rely on this BUT , I'm making the pilgrimage down to Mawgan Porth on Friday so I should bring drier weather with me for 10 days at least .
  3. Bill Nicholson the manager of the great Spurs double tem of the 60's summed it up . Bobby Smith the Spurs centre forward was sounding off about a referee after a game . Bill Nicholson said " how did you manage to miss the open goal Bob "? "I made a mistake boss " said Smith " what like the ref did "? said Nicholson said . I think if everyone , particularly pundit ex players , accepted that all humans ( except me ) make mistakes then then life wouldn't have all the controversy . Sadly , some people take the football situation to extremes by saying that referees and the VAR team conspire to help the top teams .
  4. I often refer to the Marx Brothers in my posts , people regarded their films as absolute anarchy and madness But their films were just an extension of life , the PETA incident would have been the sort of thing they would have dreamt up . Similar to the woman who said that we shouldn't call cats and dogs pets because it demeans them . Why worry about global warming when we have people like that amongst us . I just hope Older hasn't offended any worms while he's been boring holes .
  5. I think the FA are partly responsible for the confusion with this . Many people , for various reasons ( dislike of the affected team etc. ) view it in black and white , his heel was offside end of story .A couple of seasons ago I vaguely remember an incident where Manchester United ( remember them ? ) scored a goal when a player was standing in an offside position in the 6 yard box . The goal was allowed as it was deemed that he wasn't interfering with play . Following that logic how can a player near the touchline facing away from the goal with his heel in an offside position be interfering with play ?
  6. You're wrong Older , VAR has reviewed it , it's 2,310, 500 holes .
  7. I've just read on the Wolves website that VAR is to be used in their Europa cup game on Thursday . The Europa Cup official . said that he was pleased to see it introduced but it would only be used to clarify clear and obvious errors and encourages referees to use the monitor if they are unsure . In the wolves , Leicester game would the referee have allowed the goal without interference from VAR operators ? He seemed to me that he was happy that it was a goal until they intervened . I think most peoples view is that the referees should be the arbitrators and use the screen if they are unsure . In most of the controversial incidents ie. Villa , Tottenham the referee has made his decision only to be overruled by some who has gone through the action with a fine tooth comb for a reason to overrule him .Football like all sports is all about skills and errors not robotics .
  8. Being a Wolves fan I'm also a bit bewildered by the decision although I wouldn't say that it cost Wolves the game because one can't say what would have happened later in the game . However , even the referee was unsure who was offside and I felt a bit sorry for him being in that position , its bad enough for the 3 officials as it is if they make a mistake but to have someone 200 miles away make a strange decision having seen repeated showings of the incident followed by a lesson in trigonometry make your decision for you must be galling . Another thing regarding this particular goal , did the players heel being an inch offside when he was back to the goal and out near the touchline , have any influence in the goal being scored ? As I've said on many occasions it's easy to be critical of organisations and their rule making , but sometimes the ideas dreamed up by football rule makers and the interpretation of them baffle me . The new handball rule is a prime example , an accidental handball by a defending player in the their penalty area is not a penalty , BUT , an accidental handball that eventually leads to a goal in the attacking end is not allowed . Co-incidently Wolves have also suffered from this bizarre rule early this season ( no I'm not into conspiracy theories ) . One of the sad things about most of the VAR incidents is the amount of warped individuals who post on the BBC football forum saying that this is all a plot to let Liverpool win the league . Don't ask me why they say this BUT !!!!!!!!! Bright sunny , windy day here Older so I've no excuse to be on the forum , looking forward to 2 Plymouth home games in a fortnights time though .
  9. VAR rears its head again . Wolves v Leicester Willy Boly's goal disallowed because a players heel is a fraction offside when he's facing away from goal near the corner flag . Even the referee was uncertain what the situation was . Although I'm a Wolves fan I wouldn't be so childish to say it cost them the game because you can't say what would have happened afterwards if the goal had counted ( Leicester are a very good team and could have scored themselves ) . According to the referee in BT studio even though you cannot be offside from a corner the fact that the players heel was offside when another player received the ball he was offside .Do we really want this type of forensic analysis in the game ? . . The rest of the EFL have said that they don't want VAR , if the FA decide that VAR will continue in it's present form we will end up with a different set of rules for the Premiership than the rest of football . I understand that the rest of Europe have a different way of interpretation of VAR .
  10. Yes Keith I did , it's just that I've got a different sense of humour than most people , all inspired by the Marx Brothers , W.C. Fields and Tommy Cooper . Looking back I had an incredibly interesting life , doing things and meeting people who I never would have dreamt about before I joined . One of the things that I still ponder is the options I had in my life where opportunities arose and I gambled and made the right choice . I suppose most of us look back and say " why did that opportunity come when it did ?"
  11. Fortunately with 3 grandchildren and a son in law on my team we outnumber her .
  12. It's a pity Parkway didn't draw Wroxham at home , as I'm down again for that week and Wroxham is the neighbouring village to me here in Norfolk . However the mem sahib might no be too impressed with me spending Saturday with the grandchildren watching that game plus Plymouth Argyle play Grimsby on Tuesday followed by Macclesfield on Saturday .
  13. Nationwide problem sadly in all sports , my main sport motorcycle racing , ( although motorsport in general ) is in danger of losing circuit safety marshals in the next few years as the present ones grow too old . There are very few young people of either taking the job on . It's easy to be critical of young people , but there seems to be an obsession with celebrities , most of whom I regard as pointless egotistical people , and a lack of interest in real life and it's pleasures and memories it gives you in later life ( which comes to you rather suddenly . I very rarely , if ever see teenagers watching village football , when we are working on my sons racing motorcycles , all gleaming and exuding power ( just my opinion ) outside our house , young lads never show the slightest interest in them , whereas 30 plus years ago we would have fought them off with a stick . ( for the benefit of those with a sensitive nature I'm speaking metaphorically ) Can you put up some sort of screen Older, to keep the wind speed down before it gets here from the South West .?
  14. A boring fenman story but there is a point to it regarding betting , I think . In the late 90's just before I retired from the Police and had to get a proper job , a new radio system was introduced . Keith B you may remember it . This system was really advanced technology at the time . The control room had the facility to make the radio live even though it was turned off , they could also locate the radio and user to the nearest yard . Mobile phones were relatively new but some of us were issued with pagers , which seemed incredible devices at the time . I spent a time working on the South Coast attached to what my mother in law always called Customers and Exercise , the technical equipment they had was incredibly advanced . Working with us was what we in Norfolk would call " a clever bugger with electrics " but the rest of the world would call a boffin . He was responsible for the Customs devices . During conversations to relieve the boredom he said that one day in the near future the use of satellites and advanced microprocessors would mean that people could programme their vehicle to direct them to where they were going . They would be able through a much , much smaller mobile device send photo's . access all sorts of information and so on . They could sit in their lounge and order all of their shopping via this device and he said , sort of tongue in cheek ,the lazy ones will be able to order their beer and fags and put bets on with their bookie without moving from the settee . At the time , and bear in mind this was only 25 years ago a relatively miniscule time in the life of mankind , this seemed a bit far fetched .But he was right , it's all happened sat nav , on line shopping and so on The betting companies have latched onto this and I know of people who go to Norwich City games and put bets on the first booking or the first corner . Within a group fuelled with a couple of pints , a loss on the first booking leads to one more bet on the next goal scorer and so on .One of the problems is that the person putting the bet on loses track of how much he's spent during the game . Some of them much have a horrible cold feeling when they sober up a bit and see their card accounts In the Far East this is almost an epidemic
  15. Thanks Older , we've just got it . If football turns to a minority sport perhaps the BBC and Daily Mail might report on motorcycle racing a bit more . Wishful thinking
  16. No excuse for posting today as it's a bright sunny day here on Norfolk Broads . I'm a Daily Mail reader , I don't know why as they are anti motor sport for one thing and they are gradually slipping toward the low standard of the red tops . Pages of nonsense about celebrities etc. Sadly I've got very little options or choices to I have grin and bear it . However my post is about an article by Martin Samuel the chief sports writer in the paper today . He makes an interesting point about , not so much VAR but the Marx Brothers inspired handball rule . I've thought this myself but have never heard anyone else mention it . If a defender accidently touches the ball with his hand in his penalty area , then clears it up field to another player who then plays it into the opposition penalty area and a goal is scored ,VAR would rule out the goal because of the handball in the lead up . BUT under the present rule it wouldn't be a penalty . Very strange thinking behind that rule !!!!!!!!!!!!
  17. Keith B ,I know its a non football topic . I did 30 years in Norfolk , starting back in 1970 , and I totally agree with you . Life and people have changed tremendously in that time .Peoples values and dignity have gone , even the grammar has changed I was like , rather than I said . he was like 6 foot etc . How could you take a witness statement of someone speaking like that ? . I know that I wouldn't get in now , I've no qualifications other than a degree of stupidity . Even the men at the top have changed there's no family feeling anymore , possibly all jobs are like that , each man to himself . I'm going to the funeral of one of my old governors tomorrow . He wouldn't let me transfer to another division because I played football and cricket and he couldn't afford to lose any one who played sport , so he did a deal and promised me a beat within the division where the village had football and cricket teams if I withdrew my request . As it turned out he did me a huge favour which has changed my and my families lives . I owe a lot to the man , . 40 years on and sport no longer features in the police service which is a great pity . Apologies for straying off the subject of football Mr. Deacon , but I've just been sorting a complex league management problem out and its raining hard so I've nothing better to do than bore people with old stories .
  18. No Bruegel you didn't miss any thing , my keyboard went haywire .
  19. Couple of comments about VAR . Taking the Pukki Norwich incident as an example . If he was more than a foot offside he was probably offside when the ball was kicked . However when he is deemed to be less than an inch offside when he received the ball where was he in the split second from when the ball was kicked . Furthermore , when is it deemed that the ball is kicked ? is it when the foot strikes the ball or when the ball is set in motion by the kick ? . In either case it's very , very fine margins . Secondly , and I speak as a Wolves fan , equally it applies to any team in the top ten ( big 6 clubs , who ? ) . Again taking the Pukki disallowed goal as an example , if the goal had been given Norwich may well have won the game . As it was they drew with Spurs , so Spurs gained a point . As a result they overtook Wolves in the league , what I'm saying if it makes sense , is that not only does a dubious VAR decision affect the opposition it also has an effect on the scramble for top 5 places or relegation . Yes I know that this has always been the case with officials decisions being correct or otherwise but we now have a situation where the man in charge is no longer in charge and is overruled by a panel . Football is a human based game , players make mistakes and goals are scored , players make mistakes and goals are missed . Officials make mistakes but they are all on the pitch with all the atmosphere etc . not in a studio with banks of screens poring over an incident several times to make a decision and hoping it's the correct one . Thirdly ( here in Norfolk 3 is a couple ) Is it fair that VAR is only used in FA Cup games where the game is played at a Premier league ground ? Apologies Older I only used the Norwich , Spurs games as an example , I've nothing against Spurs having watched them in the Gilzean , Jennings Chivers era ,. I could equally used the Liverpool , Wolves games as example but it was too painful !!!!!!!!!!!!
  20. Dino , by offensive I'm thinking in terms of " the referees a w ***** ", chants about the Munich air crash aimed at Manchester United fans and that type of thing . I think most people , with the exception of football supporters , would find that offensive . As regards " someone finds offensive " , this is difficult to define . I have known people who have been offended by the most ridiculous things , mainly because they lack any humour . I think , generally speaking , you're right about Britain being a very tolerant country and 10 people out of 50,000 is a small number . The question is why has it raised it's ugly head all of a sudden . Is it copycat from Eastern Europe ? or has always been there but is suddenly newsworthy ?
  21. I have a horrible feeling that we are going to see serious crowd trouble in the future if this farce carries on . Yesterday we had goals disallowed at Norwich and Brighton , Norwich fans are still seething because they possibly lost 2 valuable points , fortunately Brighton won anyway so that calmed things down a bit . . Today Liverpool scored with a goal that was disallowed by the referee only for it to be overruled by VAR . Wolves then had a goal disallowed because , as in the Norwich goal , the scorer was a fraction of an inch offside . Many fans can be volatile in certain situations if they sense an injustice . I accept that we all have different opinions on VAR , many say rules are rules and should be abided by , many are so biased toward their own team that they will see injustice in anything against their team . This farce continues and yet surrounding the referee , wrestling at corners , diving etc. is still not clamped down on . My opinion is that the authorities are sanitising the game by working to such minute measurements regarding offside and this will lead to serious crowd disorder . My thoughts may seem far fetched but we've already seen thing thrown onto the pitch in protest recently .
  22. Big Hairy Daves probably a Wolves fan , he gone up in my estimation .
  23. One thing that's very rarely mentioned regarding any sort of abuse at football is alcohol and drugs . How many people at a live game are under the influence of either drugs or alcohol ? . As a result their inner evils , shall we say , rise to the top . I know several people who go to Norwich City games who've had a few pints in the nearby pub before kick off ( excluding the players ) and then rush down to the bar 10 minutes before half time , obscuring peoples view on the way , for another couple before the second half . . Also , statistically I would have thought , there must be a number under the influence of recreational ( whatever that means ) stimulants . I may be wrong but I think that this is one of the main reasons for this abuse and with the state of society as mentioned in previous posts on the subject , this will be very hard to eradicate . It's no good the experts saying that the FA should pour money into solving the problem . It's only the FA's problem at football grounds because of the way society is today , you can't hold them responsible for that unless they drug and alcohol test every spectator . And then of course we run into human rights etc. No excuse for bad weather making me post on here today , the weather is bright and sunny , but the forum is more entertaining than the Christmas TV schedules !!!!!!!! Happy New Year .
  24. I listened to an interesting phone in on five live today . One person said ( I think I've said the same on this forum ) football is about the only sport where it is acceptable to sing offensive chants aimed at the opposition and the officials .Some people go a step further and think is acceptable to make racist remarks to players of other nationalities . WHY ? What sort of people are they ? The sad thing is that most of us think we are reasonable people and behave as such , but these people also think they are reasonable and think that they can justify their behaviour . As you said Cornish next season those players could be in your team . Unfortunately humans tend to copy each other , as an example most people no longer use I said , I saw , I did they now say I was like , which is absolute nonsense grammatically because you don't know what they did . Obviously some half witted celebrity started it so millions copied it . The danger with this racial abuse is that there are many people who will want to copy what went on in the Chelsea game . This may appear to be an extreme thing to say but there have been several instances of racial abuse in the past 3 weeks . One would be enough and with the coverage of it you would think it would stop.
  25. Following the recent events at Manchester City where a player posted a cartoon to a fellow player and was fined and the ex player who had to apologise for a twitter comment he posted about Liverpool fans , what goes through the mind of people to broadcast these things to the world . If you have an " in " joke with a close colleague why do you have to post it on social media for the world to see knowing full well ( if you got a brain ) that the content could be offensive to someone other than the recipient ? Is it an ego thing . I worked in an environment where colleagues would constantly rib each other with remarks that were a means of relieving tension and nobody took offense but these remarks were kept in house and no offence was taken . Nobody would dream of saying this in earshot of the public and they certainly wouldn't be posted on a media site , but in modern society it seems that you must let the world share it . Perhaps I'm ancient and was brought up in a generation of different standards and manners and that's why I struggle to understand modern life . As for the recent incidents of racial abuse , again I struggle to understand firstly how anyone could abuse anyone of a different colour , race , religion etc. and secondly so dim as to do it in front of cameras broadcasting to millions of people round the world . It really puts this country to shame .
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