Guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 ECPL Premier Division Bere Alston United 1 Saltash United 4 Bodmin Town 0 St Dominick 1 Lanreath 1 Torpoint Athletic 4 Morwenstow 4 Wadebridge Town 1 St Stephens Borough 2 Plymouth Parkway 8 Sticker 4 Bude Town 2 Tavistock 3 Launceston 3 Division One Calington Town 3 Liskeard Athletic 4 Holsworthy 2 Biscovey 1 Kilkhampton 2 Edgcumbe 6 Millbrook 4 St Blazey 1 Nanpean Rovers 0 St Teath 6 Polperro 4 Camelford 0 Roche 5 St Stephen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9jkelly9 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Tavistock 3 -3 launceston Bere alston 1-4 saltash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Polperro 4 Camelford 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiggsy Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Millbrook 4 St blazey 1 Millbrook goalscorers- dan Richardson, Shaun Evans, Lee Wakeham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor61 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Sticker 4 Bude Town 2 (Sticker scorers C.Kitson 3, C.Coad) 2 missed penalties!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithy87 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Bourough v parkway was 2v6 not 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay101 Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Morwenstow 4 Wadebridge 1. Great start to the season considering the loss of players (still without a goalie). 3 wins out of 3 is the perfect set up to face Bude Tuesday night. Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Bere alston 1 4 saltash deserved victory for saltash could not have been if the ref had done his job mr smith one of the best refs around i would say let himself down today a awful tackle went in [lucky not to break his leg] on dan follet he went with a yellow card when everone could see it was a red and he knows it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 in reply to you jefferson hog. i think i know who you are so please dont hide behind a made up name if your going to use my name then please use yours!! you where maybe 70 yards away from play on the touch line. i was no more then 10 yards away. it may of looked worse from where you were but belive me it was only worthy of a yellow. even your fans on the touch line at half time said it was no more then that. :SM_carton_y: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 i aint hiding mr smith you had a shocker if that did not warrant a red i dont know what does does it take a break of a leg to warrant a red card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 i wont get into a row with you on this so i never showed a red card in YOUR EYES i had a shocker.. dont you just love football i am 150% sure never a red card in MY EYES..anyway chin up get over it and good luck in your next game too :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachKT Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 It may have looked and sounded worse than it was from the touchline, but I think it probably still warranted a straight red, Unintentional it may have been but it was rash and high and if my player's foot was planted he could have been looking at a broken leg this evening. Never the less, Saltash deserved their victory on their 2nd half performance. Game kicked off 40 minute late as Saltash turned up without their kit (pretty poor for an SWPL set up), but that doesn't excuse the fact that my back four turned up 45 MINUTES LATE for the 2nd half . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Touched Him Ref Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Did u agree to kick off late? If so, bigger fool you!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hatch Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I never comment on opinions on football matches and I'm not going to start now but as to us not having our kit........I got let down by one of my players who didn't turn up anfter saying he was on his way with it. I did say sorry to the Bere players and the CoachKT who understood at the time. We all make make mistakes but if you thought it was that poor then you should have said it to me instead of writing it on here. Anyway, thanks for waiting hopefully I will manage to get our kit back !!!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 in reply to coachkt and any others reading this. In my view i made a honest call on the tackle with a yellow card.i have never bottle giving a red card out in games. BUT i belive i refereed yesterdays games to the best of my abitily.like all games i gave 150% but for jefferson hog to come on here and say i had a shocker (because i never sent off a player) well that is sad. like to know from the 2 managers if i had a shocker.. remember the game is over 90 mins long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anychance Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Red card or no red card, u still got battered 4-1. Can't blame the referee for that. His leg wasn't broken, ref dealt with it even if you don't agree, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duchyMclovin Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 well said anychance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaoke Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Martin, you don't have to justify yourself on an open forum, like any player or referee we don't get everthing right but as you said we do it to the best of our ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 thanks guys!! i like to come on here and be honest with players and managers :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewart cawte Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Jeferson Hog i think you have sour grapes.........Kev has not come on here and moaned and howled about how good or bad Martin was nor has Andrew...........We had a ref today at Bodmin who also made mistakes for both sides and one that has left me without my cte back for several weeks but when i questioned him his answer was that he gave what he saw and i had a totally different view from his. That taking everything into consideration he actually thought about my comments and after the game in his dressing room explained why he gave what he gave and apologised and said he probably got in wrong, but it was the angle he was at.... Now i appreciate the adult and calm conversation we had and walked away from the refs room happy with what we just spoke about albeit i have now lost a player for a few weeks....move on and get over it, MOST refs are actually human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 no sour grapes saltash fully deserved there win like i said mr smith is one of the best refs around if not the best when i say shocker ok a bit over the top but thought he had a poor game sorry martin i take back shocker but when a tackle goes in like that you have to give a red card to stamp these tackles out ive seen a few broken legs in the last few years at bere the guys all have famileys and cant afford to be off work for months thats all im getting at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 1 decision in the game mate.. do not mean i had a shocker or bad game. anyway all gone now..no bad feelings this side and hopefully your side too jefferson hog :drink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud runner Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Don't answer to plonkers mart u have no need to keep up the good work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Easy Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Wasn't going to comment on the debate over the Bere Alston v's Saltash match but following some of the comments feel I should from my own view. Regarding the comment from CoachKT over the kit issue...to be fair to when you have 1 of your players who agrees to pick the kit up on the Friday and bring it to the game, then subsequently not turn up and then following him answering his phone to say he was on his way at 13:40 to not turn up at all is NOT the fault of the management team or players or the club...just one individual who will no doubt be dealt with accordingly. However Saltash managed to get a set of socks and shorts from a source in Gunnislake and wore their training tops which meant the game kicked off 40 minutes late with the Saltash team having no warm up what so ever!!! Moving on to the game (the main thing) both teams played some good football first half and the scoreline of 1-1 at half time was probably fair with Saltash missing some good chances and Bere having 2 shots blocked on the line. The main talking point of the first half was 'that tackle' and whether it should of been a red or yellow card, lets be clear it was a very poor tackle but in my opinion no way malicious just poorly timed. Martin Smith took his time when making his decision nothing rushed and gave a yellow card in doing so I personally would have understood if he had given a red card, however if he had given a red card then he would of also had to of given a red card to the Bere skipper who had ran in and pushed the Saltash player over with 2 hands in the chest / face area (he also gave a yellow). In my opinion the referee used common sense and wanted to keep 11 players on the pitch for both teams in what was an entertaining game!! In the 2nd half it was only one way traffic as CoachKT has already accepted if anything the scoreline should of been more than 4-1 to Saltash who missed some great changes. Gents let's not let one incident ruin (to which we can all have our opinions on) what was an entertaining game of football and very well referred by Mr Smith who is without doubt one of the better officials within the league!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I do not concur that Martin Smith is one of the better referees:in my opinion he is THE VERY BEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay101 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 He refereed the Launceston Morwenstow game midweek, and was fantastic... Mistakes are made sometimes as surprisingly, Referee's are human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_Dron Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I think its very good of this ref to come on here and explain his decision, he is not obliged to - so well played to you Mr Ref. If more refs gave explanations perhaps more players and officials would be on the same wavelengths and have a greater understanding of the expectations of each other. I think some players, every saturday, are to eager to blame the ref on losing the game for them rather than blaming their centre forward for missing a good chance, a midfielder for losing possession, or a defender who missed a tackle. I know we are all guilty of blaming refs at some point, but lets face it; who would want to do their job? Id love to hear a ref tell a player how s**t they are; thats what refs have to hear themselves every saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmooreshead Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Going a little bit off this particular topic, I watched a game some years ago at either SWPL or Western League standard at lux Park when after a decision was given against him the Liskeard defender said to the ref as he was being booked. " I've seen better refs than you in the Duchy League " Without even looking up from his notebook the ref answered " And I've seen better players " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Josh_Dron, I would love to explain my decisions on here but most players already have their own opinions and will not change it, also after any game I am willing to explain what and why I made certain decision providing the conversation stays sensible but what you generally find is that if a player asks a question he /she only want to put their point of view and are not really interested in what you think, so really the best option is to steer clear of any possible problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duchyMclovin Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 excuse my ignorance ........what is your real name B.Manning ? what standard to you ref ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 If more refs gave explanations perhaps more players and officials would be on the same wavelengths and have a greater understanding of the expectations of each other. Josh has made a good point though! Where does this sort of suggestion fit in the FA's "Awareness of Social Media" views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 If more refs gave explanations perhaps more players and officials would be on the same wavelengths and have a greater understanding of the expectations of each other. Josh has made a good point though! Where does this sort of suggestion fit in the FA's "Awareness of Social Media" views? I think after a match if a player/manager/supporter talked to the ref then the ref would be more then happy to help (in most cases) they just dont want to and shouldnt have to put themselfs up on offer on a forum for everyone to view their opinions on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 and shouldnt have to put themselfs up on offer on a forum for everyone to view their opinions on them. .....but wouldn't it be great for the refs to be able to suggest where the players could improve too! As B Manning has already told us, after the game the players only want to have their own say and so trying something radically different might actually be worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 it might do, but then how many players would take notice of what a ref has to say about the way he plays........ maybe you could start a poll to find out if players would like some feed back from refs, i know a few refs coach too and have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 to dave and anita my style of refereeing is this.. i will always explain decisions to managers at half time and full time.they might agree with what i say..but i always talk to them and why not? i am very appoachable as to players on the pitch. i work with both captains during the game and if need be when i am talikg to a player will call the captain over as well also during the game i explain my decisions to players. anyone who knows me on here will tell you that as well. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachKT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 I would like to make one thing clear...from my comments earlier, that I was not having a go at Smithy in relation to his handling of our game yesterday, but stand by my decision that 'in my opinion' the Saltash lad should have seen red yesterday...from where I was standing. As we were coming out for the 2nd half, I had a word with Smithy who explained his reasons for giving a yellow and I accepted that. He was also right to give my captain a yellow for his reaction / actions and could have also quite easily have issued a red. All in all Smithy had his usual decent game and was, as always, approachable....reffing the game with a smile on his face, taking a bit of banter and giving it back. Also, as stated previously....no excuses for the result as Saltash completely outplayed us in the 2nd half, allied to some woeful defending on our part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 thanks kev :drink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 its got stupid now all i said was if he had shown a red card it might have been a differnt game and in my view he had a poor game hey i have a poor game every other like i have said he is one of the best refs so stop going on about it quote he is a top ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green&whitebarmyarmy Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 as a player if i ask the ref why he made his decision and he tells me i'll always accept it and get on with playing, even if i may not agree, you see MOTD and they see fouls from so many different angles and still, at times they aren't sure, i was watching on sat and dixon and shearer couldn't agree about a foul in the everton v blackburn game, the refs on a sat have one view and they can only ever give what they see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club_capt Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ok I'm going to throw something in here! We had a cup game last season terrible ref. Missed lots even missed the ambulance turning up to take away one of our players, let alone the tackle (no joke, long story). We publicly supported the Respect Campaign last season. Two young lads received long term injuries from awful tackles one being a double fracture of the shin. We witnessed people being sent off for technical fouls and yet people who raised their hands and tackled off the ball stayed on the pitch. So we asked politely in writing that the FA feedback to us over the report we sent in about the ref during the cup game. We just wanted to open some dialogue so we could understand and help provide a way forward so that younger players and refs felt more confident about being part of football in this County. We have been offended by the handling of our request by the CCFA. The chronology went something like, ignored followed by fobbed off, then ignored again 8 months later no answer/dialogue. Respect is a two-way street. We are not actively supporting the Respect Campaign this year. I would suggest that the Respect Campaign changed the focus of cautions and red cards to technical offences and dissent. It then ignored the dangerously physical side of play. I don't think enough refs give out red cards and yellows for dangerous play and I don't think the financial costs are high enough. I'm led to believe that in Australia a straight red is $100 about £65. If your sent off in this county for dangerous play and given a straight red then it should be £80. Lets see how many "choppers" and their clubs can afford to keep missing tackles. This would be more effective in Junior football where the situation is terrible, as people have to pay their own fines. We have had young lads on our touchline not wanting to go on after witnessing some tackles and who can blame them. I want to see lads playing great football not visiting them in hospital which I did twice last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 At the end of the day refs are doing us a job if they dont turn up we dont play simple. we will win and lose decisions all season but its how we bounce back from them that counts. most refs do a great job they are human and will make mistakes. lets give them a break it aint an easy job to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppit Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ok I'm going to throw something in here! We had a cup game last season terrible ref. Missed lots even missed the ambulance turning up to take away one of our players, let alone the tackle (no joke, long story). We publicly supported the Respect Campaign last season. Two young lads received long term injuries from awful tackles one being a double fracture of the shin. We witnessed people being sent off for technical fouls and yet people who raised their hands and tackled off the ball stayed on the pitch. So we asked politely in writing that the FA feedback to us over the report we sent in about the ref during the cup game. We just wanted to open some dialogue so we could understand and help provide a way forward so that younger players and refs felt more confident about being part of football in this County. We have been offended by the handling of our request by the CCFA. The chronology went something like, ignored followed by fobbed off, then ignored again 8 months later no answer/dialogue. Respect is a two-way street. We are not actively supporting the Respect Campaign this year. I would suggest that the Respect Campaign changed the focus of cautions and red cards to technical offences and dissent. It then ignored the dangerously physical side of play. I don't think enough refs give out red cards and yellows for dangerous play and I don't think the financial costs are high enough. I'm led to believe that in Australia a straight red is $100 about £65. If your sent off in this county for dangerous play and given a straight red then it should be £80. Lets see how many "choppers" and their clubs can afford to keep missing tackles. This would be more effective in Junior football where the situation is terrible, as people have to pay their own fines. We have had young lads on our touchline not wanting to go on after witnessing some tackles and who can blame them. I want to see lads playing great football not visiting them in hospital which I did twice last season. Ive never seen any ref break anyones leg. A stiffer fine wouldn't make any difference. What happens on the park is human reaction no player is thinking about the cost when he makes a fair or unfair challenge both of which can cause serious injury. If an individual breaks someones leg on purpose then there isn't much anyone can do ref or otherwise, so get your head down and get on with it bad things happen in every walk of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anychance Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Club_capt - agree. I respect the fact that it is a difficult job but i think they need more help from the powers that be. Last season I saw players sent off for fouling as a 'last man' - not sure what the fine is now but i'd take a guess at £30 and 35 day ban as well? Is that really neccessary for such an offence? Has anybody really got hurt? On the other hand I feel dangerous tackles, violent conduct and foul and abusive language towards an official/opponent deserves harsher treatment. Football is a game of opinions, with the referees being the most important one. I respected every ref i played with, and now respect every referee i watch, however i always struggled to respect the county fa when they were charging me nearly a tenner time and again for challenges that were neither dangerous or intentionally harmful and that are part of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I RECON THE F.A NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE AS THEY DID TO THE LEAGUES ABOVE AND THAT IS INSTEAD OF DAYS MAKE IT GAMES AND BRACKET THOSE GAMES INTO DIFFERNET LEVELS OF PUNISHMENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REF SENDS IT IN AS. FINES ARE OK BUT IT ISNT BEING PUT BACK INTO MAKING CORNISH FOOTBALL ANY BETTER IS IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 cornishlegend, where on earth have you been hiding these past few months, all suspensions are now games and not days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kempy Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 cornishlegend, where on earth have you been hiding these past few months, all suspensions are now games and not days. You may be correct as we have a player suspended for 35 days ... from last season!! :clapper: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duchyMclovin Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 B Manning ....I've got to be honest ...I don't know who you are but you don't half get on peoples wick !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 B Manning is correct, at all Adult levels Red Card offences now carry a games ban, but only from the football which the ban was gained. So if you are sent off from a Saturday league you will be banned from all Saturday leagues (including mid-week) for the amount of games for that team. Other misconduct will be a blanket ban from all football the same as today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 B Manning ....I've got to be honest ...I don't know who you are but you don't half get on peoples wick !!!! why???? because he answers peoples questions or tries to help people with laws of the game they might not be 100% sure on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anita Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 your information Martin Day [55533] Suspension: 35 days from 29/8/2011 to 2/10/2011 inclusive (All Football) Club: Perranwell F.C. League: Jolly's Cornwall Combination League Case: 4929099S Other Clubs: Hayle, Porthleven Kind Regards Dawn Aberdeen Acting County Secretary Did he get the red last season???? i may be wrong but as i understand it that any bans issued last season still stood as days. any new red cards are getting the game bans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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