SWPL & Cups - Fri & Sat Dec 12-13 2014

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

I should say that not all take, or ask for it.

[Nemesis]

Newquay AFC 1 v 3 Cullompton Rangers

News that two signings are heading to Mount Wise Stadium in the next week + Lewis Hilton back for Xmas might help, but the terrace talk was of renewing friendships with Mousehole & Millbrook next season.

There is Newquays problem !!!!!! They accept it.

Sorry Alan, some of the fans might be thinking of the West Div, but I doubt very much if the players or management have defeat on their mind when they are taking part in games. A lack of confidence perhaps, we a few players short of a mid-table side, but I have no doubt that Newquay will stay up and come back stronger next season.

The next 3 games are tough, Ivybridge & Godolphin at home followed by a trip to Parkway. The visit to Bovey Tracy in January will be the key battle, one that no loyal Peppermints fan will want to miss, lose that one and yes, we could be looking at Mousehole & Millbrook.

[teflon123]

Cant believe that the Blazey faithful and Mr Oaten were complaining about the penalty given away by the lad Coombes. Missed his defensive header in the box and ball hit his hand.........therefore hand ball and a penalty, how can they complain???

Apart from the first 5 minutes where they scored a well worked goal, Blazey were outclassed to the final whistle. Ivybridge knocked the ball around well and their determination to win it back when they lost it was what was admirable. New lad on the wing that has come in from Launceston was outstanding and also some eye catching performances from Doel, Berry & the tall center -half who were equallly as good.

[leedsunited]

Dont let your heart rule your head Nemesis, that is a big run of games, games if you lose could see you 8/9 points adrift at Christmas. its a shame you dont pick up points for good attendances! Your support deserves better.

[The Villains]

Jack Alexander 1 Steve Sutton 3 mark berry 1 and lee dole 1 and don't no the other

OG

[The Villains]

They are certainly on to a good thing -wish I was younger !

Why are they on to a good thing? In some cases abuse for 90 mins and then abuse on here!! Think you'll find more Refs are leaving football due to the flack they get! NO officials NO game!

[The Villains]

Who makes the rules, the swpl officials or the FA and does the ref. still get his hefty fee for the inspection ?

I can't speak for all referees but I know most if doing a local inspection won't charge any fee. If the appointed referee turns up at the ground and calls the game off they are technically entitled to mileage plus half a match fee.

RE: Guidance from FA which covers the Supply League.

FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION DIRECTIVE

Recommended procedure for the guidance of Clubs and Refereesin determining the suitability of grounds in adverse weather conditionsEach Club must take every precaution to ensure that its ground is in a fit playing condition.

When the regional weather conditions are known to be extreme (e.g. prolonged severe frost, clear water logging or heavy snow) then the game can be postponed at the discretion of the League following consultation with the League Secretary, League Rules will apply; this is not an issue for the match day Referee. Should a Competition decide to agree to an early postponement under such circumstances there will be no requirement for a pitch inspection.

In all other circumstances and subject to the time and travelling distance, the match Referee should be called in to make a decision. In the event of the match Referee being unable to carry out the inspection, the Home Club must select an alternative Referee listed within the National List of Supply Referees (Level 4) or in exceptional cases a senior level 5 or a member of the list of assessors.If a specific League Rule exists where the timing of a pitch inspection is stated, this will apply but is a League issue only. The South West Peninsula League Rules do not list a time as such but requires inspections to be carried out on the day of the match and in such time as to prevent unnecessary travelling of the away team.

Prior to reaching a decision the Referee who is making the inspection must:o Consult with the match Referee prior to the inspectiono Consult with the match Referee during / after the inspection to mutuallyagree on a decision prior to notifying the Home Club Secretary and the League Secretary.

Prior to reaching a decision the Referee who is making the inspection should consider the following:o Whether or not the ground (playing area) is dangerous (e.g. ice / frost)o Whether or not that the spectator standing areas are dangerous (e.g. ice / frost)o Whether or not conditions are or could turn farcicalo The views of the Home Club Groundsman in terms of local knowledgeand draining capabilities in the event of standing watero The existing condition of the playing surface in conjunction with theprevailing weather conditions as previously confirmed with the localweather authorityo Inspect thoroughly – use a ball, and playing staff if necessaryo Fog creates its’ own problems – check forecast (remember that there is a responsibility to paying spectators)o When dealing with such elements as frost or ice – remember that thehighest temperature of the day is usually around mid-day. Get a forecast if necessary of the projected temperature for the time when the match is due to concludeo The manpower available to the Home Club to carry out any necessarywork to make the ground playableo The time the visiting Club are due to commence their journeyo Liaise with Managers BUT the decision as to whether the match is playedis yours

If after consultation with the match Referee, the ground is declared fit and the away Clubs instructed to travel, then only in exceptional circumstances should the match Referee reverse the decision.If an early inspection has not been carried out and the match Referee arrives at the ground to find the playing conditions in doubt due to unexpected deterioration in the weather, he should first consider as many of the above points before committing himself to a decision.

http://www.swpleague.co.uk/SouthWestPeninsulaleagueForum/topic/fa-directive-pitch-inspections/

Good posting, maybe it will stop some pointless posts!!

An interesting consideration is: whether or not conditions are OR could turn farcical !

[secretscout]

In Bodmin's Senior Cup game today, I heard via Radio Cornwall that the referee blew up for half time after only half an hour? Is this true?

Yes this is true, my mate was at the game, the referee was proberly to cold lol!

If this is true, was there any explanantion or is there an inquest, surely it cant be just accepted?

On another note, when is the draw for the next round of the league cup?

[baldy]

League Cup QF draw at half time of St Aust v Parkway match on Friday (19th).

[BIG AL]

Even if there is an inquest the ref. will always be deemed correct - they can do no wrong !

[Dave Deacon]

In Bodmin's Senior Cup game today, I heard via Radio Cornwall that the referee blew up for half time after only half an hour? Is this true?

Yes this is true, my mate was at the game, the referee was proberly to cold lol!

If this is true, was there any explanantion or is there an inquest, surely it cant be just accepted?

On another note, when is the draw for the next round of the league cup? Explanation or inquest? Why? The ref made a mistake and play was resumed before anyone had left the pitch!

[NORTH DEVON DWELLER]

I wonder whether you actually like football Big Al because all you ever seem to do on here is whinge and moan whether that be at league officials the county fa or referees. Not that it's any of your business with regards to refs charging as they give their own time to do a pitch inspection but Cameron Mann (son of the SWPL match officials director Keith Mann and a senior referee himself) doesn't charge a fee to do a pitch inspection and is quite happy with a cup of coffee and a bacon sarny so certainly not on to a good thing as you put it. Once again you add 2 + 2 and come up with 5.

[The Villains]

Even if there is an inquest the ref. will always be deemed correct - they can do no wrong !

Yet another pointless posting by big al!!!!

[secretscout]

In Bodmin's Senior Cup game today, I heard via Radio Cornwall that the referee blew up for half time after only half an hour? Is this true?

Yes this is true, my mate was at the game, the referee was proberly to cold lol!

If this is true, was there any explanantion or is there an inquest, surely it cant be just accepted?

On another note, when is the draw for the next round of the league cup? Explanation or inquest? Why? The ref made a mistake and play was resumed before anyone had left the pitch!

Sorry Dave there was no mention anywhere that play was resumed for the final 15 minutes, it came across as though the first half lasted 30 minutes and that was it......

Even the refs get it wrong sometimes i suppose

[Dave Deacon]

No, to everyone's surprise George blew for half-time, at I reckon about 32 minutes played! Where he got that from, no idea. However, assistant Gary Cornish came straight on and checked it out with him and play resumed within seconds. Best described as a human error . These things happen.

[BIG AL]

I HAVE AN OPINION AND IN THIS FREE COUNTRY AM ALLOWED TO EXPRESS IT !

[Dave Deacon]

I HAVE AN OPINION AND IN THIS FREE COUNTRY AM ALLOWED TO EXPRESS IT !

Fair enough - but it would be nice to hear from you on something you think is right with local football. In your opinion - is there?

[Referee]

I regularly do pitch inspections for Duchy League and ECFL sides that are close to where I live. They ask me to come along on Saturday morning and then call the match referee and tell him if that team's pitch is unplayable.

The club secretary then calls the visiting team and let's them know. Last season, the away team moved the venue to their place and the game was played there, so it is a good idea to get a local referee to do inspections as we don't charge our local teams for petrol etc for a 10 minute job .

Alternatively, we can all wait for the match referee and away team to turn up at great expense, and then get the bad news .......

[B Manning]

I quite often get a call to do pitch inspections and I do not charge, it`s called helping out.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

In todays claim, claim, claim world it has become a necessity to have these inspections more than in the past for obvious reasons, where there's blame, there's a claim. So today I'm afraid....no-one takes a chance. That means more games off than in years gone by.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

I agree with all of that Keith B, but my post is....I'm afraid, a consideration in todays world, and has been mentioned to myself by many referees. No offence taken, I have a big chin bud.

[BIG AL]

How is it that rugby is played on a wet pitch then ?

[WendronOfficial]

Rugby players don't mind messing their hair up or getting mud under their nails

[bighairydave]

Rugby doesn't depend on the necessity for the ball to roll consistently, and many leagues allow games to be abandoned after 60 mins, with the result standing. Thus a 60 minute game is much easier to complete than the full 90 minutes in football!

[BIG AL]

A more true word has never been spoken and this must apply to the ref. as well !

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Play that one game on a saturated pitch, and kiss goodbye to your next 3 or 4

Rugby matches are regularly called off to over wet pitches, due to a risk of drowning !

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Your last line answered your own question. Things have changed in the way the game is played, with a lot of players stuck at the bottom of rucks and mauls, the man on the bottom is considered liable to drown and is a big, big consideration today.

Also if you do not have a dedicated specialist in certain positions, for instance - prop, then it can be stopped for that, and has been only a few weeks ago here.

[Nemesis]

I recall a very recent (last 2-4 Years) Bodmin v Newquay match played on a bog, there was more mud, thick gloopy mud than grass, it led to quite an exciting game which I think Bodmin won 4-2.

Whilst I agree that Refs have a role in making decisions, surely it should be down to both club managers if there is a doubt on the state of the pitch. Obviously, if the pitch is covered in water, then call it off asap, but mud is no reason to call a game off, if it was good enough for Derby County to win the old First Div twice in the 70's at the old Baseball Ground (Brian Clough et al), then it is good enough for a bunch of local lads playing at Step 6/7.

[BIG AL]

I totally agree with this and it should NOT be upto an individual ref. to make the decision - far too many games are called off just because the grass is over wet !

[Tribute]

Games should only be called off if it's a dangerous surface and the risk to players has gone up but , I believe a lot of refs can be influenced by the clubs to save the pitch

[leedsunited]

Correct Nemesis!

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

So the next 3 or 4 games called off because your pitch is wrecked don't matter !? bonkers.

And if you involve any more people in the decision....it won't get made.

[The Villains]

Your last line answered your own question. Things have changed in the way the game is played, with a lot of players stuck at the bottom of rucks and mauls, the man on the bottom is considered liable to drown and is a big, big consideration today.

Also if you do not have a dedicated specialist in certain positions, for instance - prop, then it can be stopped for that, and has been only a few weeks ago here.

Or uncontested scrums as in Rugby league!

[The Villains]

I recall a very recent (last 2-4 Years) Bodmin v Newquay match played on a bog, there was more mud, thick gloopy mud than grass, it led to quite an exciting game which I think Bodmin won 4-2.

Whilst I agree that Refs have a role in making decisions, surely it should be down to both club managers if there is a doubt on the state of the pitch. Obviously, if the pitch is covered in water, then call it off asap, but mud is no reason to call a game off, if it was good enough for Derby County to win the old First Div twice in the 70's at the old Baseball Ground (Brian Clough et al), then it is good enough for a bunch of local lads playing at Step 6/7.

I totally agree with this and it should NOT be upto an individual ref. to make the decision - far too many games are called off just because the grass is over wet !

Games should only be called off if it's a dangerous surface and the risk to players has gone up but , I believe a lot of refs can be influenced by the clubs to save the pitch

Correct Nemesis!

You obviously never read bighairlydaves posting on the 14 Dec, it tells you that the ref consults with club officials and takes their views into account before he has makes his final decision! He is the person that would be held accountable if an injury was to happen to a player..... Not the other person/s who decided that it was deemed playable, the ref has the sole responsibility of the players & other people's safety.

[Nemesis]

There are many factors in deciding if a game goes ahead. Godolphin v Newquay on Trainspotters, sorry Groundhoppers day, there was a downpour half hour before kick off, pitch was a mud bath, not a blade of grass to be seen, more suited to ladies of a certain disposition, wrestling. But due to the 500+ crowd, the SWPL officials possibly influenced the ref and managers to see that the match was played, again another match that produced goals, 5-3 if my memory serves me correctly.

Are we saying that Rugby players are less likely to get injured, or less likely to make a claim for an injury ?

[NORTH DEVON DWELLER]

There isn't as much sudden movement of the feet in rugby as there is in football with all the twisting and turning along with the pace of the game reducing the risk of boots sticking in the mud which could lead to broken ankles and other foot related injuries and unfortunately in this day and age could lead to where there's blame theres a claim. I remember a couple of season ago Witheridge were playing away on a very wet and heavy pitch and giving the home side a bit of a thrashing when the home keeper starting yelling at the referee that the game should be adandoned because of the state of the pitch and that if he gets injured because of it he will sue him. I'm not going to name the side or keeper but obviously this is how people view things now.