St Darren Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: It’s all a farce isn’t it! Massively. VAR is the fault here not the referees on the field. The inconsistency is astounding at times. Also, what’s the point on the 4th official? They don’t do anything other than hold up a time board and tell the managers to calm down. The PGMOL are really not fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Agree with everything you suggest Darren but the players don’t make it any easier with all their gamesmanship and dramatics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Agree with everything you suggest Darren but the players don’t make it any easier with all their gamesmanship and dramatics! You’re right but that’s the way the game has gone. Trying to gain any advantage you can. Go down holding your head and the game stops, then get up again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Reading comments from Wolves fans who were there, their main complaint apart from the second penalty was the fact that a deliberate head butt on Kilman went unpunished . Many are saying that he should have gone down clutching his head rather than being manly and standing up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, fenman said: Many are saying that he should have gone down clutching his head rather than being manly and standing up . Which sums up the ridiculous state of the game being played at the very top level! Pathetic a player should have to go down to get awarded something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Which sums up the ridiculous state of the game being played at the very top level! Pathetic a player should have to go down to get awarded something! Because the referee are that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 Sadly some of the commentators and pundits don't help the situation . I watched a bit of the Manchester United game last night , Shaw was booked for a tackle , Rio Ferdinand said that it was worth the booking because he had to stop the player by bringing him down . I honestly don't think cheating and dodgy decisions can be eradicated from the professional game particularly at the top as there's too much money involved plus players , generally speaking , arn't particularly bright and won't change their ways . If the sin bin scheme and a sensible ruling on handball come into effect it will be interesting to see the result . At the same time of this review why don't they ban substitutions after 80 mins except for injury , it's a farce making substitutions at 89 minutes just to run the clock down and break up play . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 28/11/2023 at 19:51, St Darren said: Because the referee are that bad! Its very hard to add any value to what you say when it is crystal clear that you just dont like referees at all. the fact you acknowledge mistakes by refs but fail to mention a single mistake by player or team backs that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 8 hours ago, BrummyBarry said: Its very hard to add any value to what you say when it is crystal clear that you just dont like referees at all. the fact you acknowledge mistakes by refs but fail to mention a single mistake by player or team backs that up The same old story about a player making a mistake!! The 2 are incomparable players can do many things and try many things, some work some don’t. Players get punished for mistakes as well. Referees are there to apply the laws of the game. Then they have an extra 2 bodies watching a replay of an event for as long as they want yet they still get it wrong. The fact that the PGMOL have had to make so many apologies for errors tells you a story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 16 hours ago, BrummyBarry said: but fail to mention a single mistake by player or team backs that up Who said he likes players? 😀🤔 On 30/11/2023 at 15:01, fenman said: At the same time of this review why don't they ban substitutions after 80 mins except for injury , it's a farce making substitutions at 89 minutes just to run the clock down and break up play . I like that idea fenman 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Batten down the hatches , incoming from St. Darren St Darren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 45 minutes ago, fenman said: Batten down the hatches , incoming from St. Darren Hahaha. That’s up there with one of the worst this season. Waves play on and then brings it back when the pass has been played. I wonder what on earth was going through his mind!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Don't you find it peculiar St. Darren that the football world is buzzing with these fax paus ( I don't speak American but use a bit of French ) yet only half a dozen respond to your post on this forum .? Surely there must be more people who use this forum with an opinion on this controversial subject . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, fenman said: Don't you find it peculiar St. Darren that the football world is buzzing with these fax paus ( I don't speak American but use a bit of French ) yet only half a dozen respond to your post on this forum .? Surely there must be more people who use this forum with an opinion on this controversial subject . It’s hard to defend the indefensible I also saw the Chelsea penalty that was awarded. Why could Pawkson stick with his original decision? That’s never a “clear and obvious” error. I’m also looking forward to the retrospective punishment handed to City players for their remonstration with the referee!! Although I don’t blame them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Here a few items I have made comments about but I will now put them all together in roughly descending order of importance to improve the game. TIME CLOCK. Take it off the field. When the ball is out of play the clock is stopped. Will mean reducing games to 60 or so minutes but at least everyone will have the same information. SIN BIN Absolutely required for all yellow card decisions. He “ took one for the team” - no he didn’t, he cheated by pulling the shirt, “professional foul” and the like. VAR In the not too distant past, we debated at the ground whether the officials had got it right. Then along came TV with its post match analysis and “expert” views. Then we had the ever increasing number of live games where incessant replays spoiled the watching experience by missing so much of the live action. When VAR came long it was said we would get fewer wrong decisions. May have been true in the early days. Now the debate has moved from the on field decision to the off field decision with not much more clarity imo. PLAYERS NOT RETREATING OR KICKING BALL AWAY. Being addressed slowly. PLAYERS FEIGNING INJURY. See above. DIVING. If a player dives outside the box, he is booked, no recourse. If he dives inside the box, he is booked and then a check is made by our old friend VAR to make sure it wasn’t really a penalty instead. Consistency, none. PENALTIES. In game penalties should be as shootout penalties, one kick, either goal or saved, none of this follow up palaver with players pushing and shoving on the edge of the area. Which of these is least likely? The sin bin because the TV companies would hate it and they seem to have an increasing influence on everything about the game from timing of live matches to laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Well said Baldy . Football has changed so much in the last 15/20 years . At times you wonder if players have forgotten which direction the goal is . Goalkeeper left to full back , full back to centre back , back to goalie , goalie right to full back . Referee blows for half time and wakes me up . Perhaps the referee and V.A.R. fiasco is a way of keeping fans interested in some of the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 No further action to be taken against Haaland!! How’s that Respect campaign going? Devils@Dusk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 03/12/2023 at 20:02, St Darren said: Hahaha. That’s up there with one of the worst this season. Waves play on and then brings it back when the pass has been played. I wonder what on earth was going through his mind!!! A brain fart 100%. No worse than the Haaland miss, especially a Grealish still had a bit to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 38 minutes ago, bighairydave said: A brain fart 100%. No worse than the Haaland miss, especially a Grealish still had a bit to do. This isn’t a comparison between referees and players. This is about poor decisions that a referee makes and there’s no consequence for them. You can defend them at times but not at other times. And this is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, St Darren said: This isn’t a comparison between referees and players. This is about poor decisions that a referee makes and there’s no consequence for them. You can defend them at times but not at other times. And this is one of them. What consequence do you expect to see here then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, bighairydave said: What consequence do you expect to see here then? That’s the big question isn’t it? He referees again on Wednesday! The major problem is the PGMOL who have no competition to their job. I would like to hear from the referee to find out what was going through his mind. Perhaps it would then be easier to understand. But no, he doesn’t have to explain his decision to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 12 minutes ago, St Darren said: That’s the big question isn’t it? He referees again on Wednesday! The major problem is the PGMOL who have no competition to their job. I would like to hear from the referee to find out what was going through his mind. Perhaps it would then be easier to understand. But no, he doesn’t have to explain his decision to anyone. So one mistake in 90 mins means being dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, bighairydave said: So one mistake in 90 mins means being dropped? It’s a fairly big mistake whilst doing his job. Why can’t we have access to referees reports of games so we can see why they’ve made decisions. Make them more accountable and transparent. Surely that will help moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 34 minutes ago, bighairydave said: So one mistake in 90 mins means being dropped? But this was one huge mistake! What on earth was the ref thinking? Be great to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils@Dusk Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 05/12/2023 at 07:24, St Darren said: No further action to be taken against Haaland!! How’s that Respect campaign going? Ah yes... One of the biggest jokes in modern football. Wasn't the referee in the Man City/Spurs match, the same referee who ballsed up the Liverpool/Spurs match? Actually, does anyone know what was decided about that match. I can't see the match being replayed after this amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 22 hours ago, Devils@Dusk said: Ah yes... One of the biggest jokes in modern football. Wasn't the referee in the Man City/Spurs match, the same referee who ballsed up the Liverpool/Spurs match? Actually, does anyone know what was decided about that match. I can't see the match being replayed after this amount of time. Nothing happened. They’ve changed protocol and Howard Webb said sorry. So everything is ok now!!! Devils@Dusk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 8, 2023 Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 15 hours ago, St Darren said: Nothing happened. They’ve changed protocol and Howard Webb said sorry. So everything is ok now!!! Is that chip on Liverpool supporters shoulders ever going to go? 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 I’m surprised it’s not more of an issue than it is. A perfectly legal goal was scored but not awarded. It’s never happened before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 8, 2023 Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 hours ago, St Darren said: It’s never happened before Do you mean since the introduction of VAR? Surely there's been a perfectly good goal mistakenly not given before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenman Posted December 8, 2023 Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 Liverpool / Wolves cup game recently . Wolves goal disallowed for unknown reason ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, fenman said: Liverpool / Wolves cup game recently . Wolves goal disallowed for unknown reason ????? Different situation, there’s been a few like that one. the Liverpool situation was agreed that it was onside and if should have been a goal. But the incompetence of the VAR didn’t realise offside was the on pitch decision. it’s the equivalent of a goal being scored and the ref giving a goal kick and not counting the goal. 1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said: Do you mean since the introduction of VAR? Surely there's been a perfectly good goal mistakenly not given before! You wouldn’t be able to name one. People tried to compare the Lampard shot for England that crossed the line but it’s not the same as the ref didn’t think it crossed the line therefore it was never awarded as a goal. in fact the only decision that has ever come close was when Stuart Atwell awarded a goal for Watford against Reading when there wasn’t even an effort on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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baldy Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 I think what Woy said echoes a lot of fans' frustrations about the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 It was a very interesting interview with Hodgson. As he said, games are being re-refereed by VAR and at other times they’re not. The inconsistency is baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 How on earth the referee on VAR hasn’t looked at the Romero twckle in the Spurs v Newcastle game and given a red card I just don’t know. once again the inconsistency is shocking. He slides in on a tackle completely out of control. useless all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 05/12/2023 at 10:03, Dave Deacon said: But this was one huge mistake! What on earth was the ref thinking? Be great to hear. So was the Haaland miss from a few yards.its the same thing.ref pulled the game back and prevented a possible goalscoring opportunity.haaland missed a much easier goalscoring opportunity yet the ref is the one that was dragged through the dirt for over a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said: So was the Haaland miss from a few yards.its the same thing.ref pulled the game back and prevented a possible goalscoring opportunity.haaland missed a much easier goalscoring opportunity yet the ref is the one that was dragged through the dirt for over a week Bit of an overreaction Brummy which has taken you a week to comment on hence dragging it through the dirt when we’ve all moved on to the next refereeing blunder! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said: So was the Haaland miss from a few yards.its the same thing.ref pulled the game back and prevented a possible goalscoring opportunity.haaland missed a much easier goalscoring opportunity yet the ref is the one that was dragged through the dirt for over a week This narrative is a joke. There’s a lot more options and decisions for a player to make are far more than one a referee has to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, St Darren said: This narrative is a joke. There’s a lot more options and decisions for a player to make are far more than one a referee has to make. Not always. The decision for Haaland was to put the ball in the net. Agree with VAR they shouldn't be getting it wrong anywhere near the amount that they are, but the advantage one on Monday was no more than a blunder than players make in every game missing chances making mistakes. I echo your thoughts though about the VAR mistakes, as players don't have a second chance to get it correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted December 10, 2023 Report Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Bit of an overreaction Brummy which has taken you a week to comment on hence dragging it through the dirt when we’ve all moved on to the next refereeing blunder! 👍 I dont live and die on the forum so sometimes Im a bit late to the party sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 10 hours ago, bighairydave said: Not always. The decision for Haaland was to put the ball in the net. Agree with VAR they shouldn't be getting it wrong anywhere near the amount that they are, but the advantage one on Monday was no more than a blunder than players make in every game missing chances making mistakes. I echo your thoughts though about the VAR mistakes, as players don't have a second chance to get it correct. Haaland could have also had the option to control it and pass it (he’d have been mad to do so). Therefore there is always more than one option for a player. with regards to the advantage, he’s done nothing wrong on the laws of the game but it’s an incredibly poor refereeing decision and we don’t get to find out why he’s made that decision. If he came out and said he thought there was no one to receive the ball we could all accept it a little bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 44 minutes ago, St Darren said: Haaland could have also had the option to control it and pass it (he’d have been mad to do so). Therefore there is always more than one option for a player. with regards to the advantage, he’s done nothing wrong on the laws of the game but it’s an incredibly poor refereeing decision and we don’t get to find out why he’s made that decision. If he came out and said he thought there was no one to receive the ball we could all accept it a little bit more They won’t do interviews as PGMOL wanted only the full interviews played and not snippets which could be twisted after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, bighairydave said: They won’t do interviews as PGMOL wanted only the full interviews played and not snippets which could be twisted after the game. Don’t need interviews. Access to their match report would be a thing. Another question is where do the 4th official and Assistant refs fit in? They’re all linked up, why can’t they inform the ref when someone has kicked the ball away or something. That would help the referees out more if the fans were confident that the 4 officials were working as a team. Devils@Dusk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, St Darren said: Don’t need interviews. Access to their match report would be a thing. Another question is where do the 4th official and Assistant refs fit in? They’re all linked up, why can’t they inform the ref when someone has kicked the ball away or something. That would help the referees out more if the fans were confident that the 4 officials were working as a team. They do that already. All give each other info all of the time on decisions. The comms allows them to work as a team more than local level. Referees wouldn’t do a match report on every decision so you wouldn’t get a reason on the advantage with Hooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 48 minutes ago, bighairydave said: They do that already. All give each other info all of the time on decisions. The comms allows them to work as a team more than local level. Referees wouldn’t do a match report on every decision so you wouldn’t get a reason on the advantage with Hooper. They don’t appear to work as a team. There’s loads that a 4th official would see but he doesn’t advise the ref at all. The amount of delayed starts they’ve missed is embarrassing. They shy away from it. Do you think it would be good if Simon Hooper came out and explained why he didn’t allow an advantage after he had already given it. Likewise with the challenge by Romero yesterday why does the var think that is only a yellow card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 4 hours ago, St Darren said: They don’t appear to work as a team. There’s loads that a 4th official would see but he doesn’t advise the ref at all. The amount of delayed starts they’ve missed is embarrassing. They shy away from it. Do you think it would be good if Simon Hooper came out and explained why he didn’t allow an advantage after he had already given it. Likewise with the challenge by Romero yesterday why does the var think that is only a yellow card. Honestly, I don’t think it would help much as those that want to moan will moan anyway. Not seen the Romero challenge yet so can’t comment. Regarding delays, I think they do highlight them more than we think, but with the premier league being a “product” I imagine the powers that be felt the backlash at the start of the season and told officials to calm it down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, bighairydave said: Not seen the Romero challenge yet so can’t comment. You're not the only ref! 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, bighairydave said: Honestly, I don’t think it would help much as those that want to moan will moan anyway. Not seen the Romero challenge yet so can’t comment. Regarding delays, I think they do highlight them more than we think, but with the premier league being a “product” I imagine the powers that be felt the backlash at the start of the season and told officials to calm it down! So why do some get punished and others don’t then? This is the problem that supporters have is the inconsistency of the referees and worse then the referees is the VAR (which are the referees but when they have a tv they seem to become worse) Dave Deacon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted December 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2023 More absolute dross from the officials this weekend. The Forest player sent off for 2 bookings is a joke. The referee has guessed that he’s gone over the top of the ball. Awful decision that can’t be checked by VAR because it was 2 bookings. The handball in the Liverpool game is a joke as well, the inconsistency in the law is awful. Brianmooreshead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted December 24, 2023 Report Share Posted December 24, 2023 8 hours ago, St Darren said: More absolute dross from the officials this weekend. The Forest player sent off for 2 bookings is a joke. The referee has guessed that he’s gone over the top of the ball. Awful decision that can’t be checked by VAR because it was 2 bookings. The handball in the Liverpool game is a joke as well, the inconsistency in the law is awful. Forest one is awful. The Liverpool one is more around law than the officials, can’t blame them for choosing not to award/intervene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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