cornish leg end Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Played in a game saturday gine where the ref wanted to try the sin bin rule. This is going to cause alot of confussion through the season. He explained beforehand that if theres discent he will yellow card anyone and sin bin them for 10 mins then when they come back on the yellow card is clear amd theres no fine for it. Then it starts again. But surely it can only happen once to the same player before there is a further punishment?? But if a player is already on a yellow card for a different offence then gets pulled up for dissent shouldnt that be a 2nd yellow and sent off or a yellow and sin bin? Going to be alot of stop start games this year. Anyone else played with this rule yet and had it used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bartlam Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Referees shouldn't be using this system yet. The FA have said we are not to use it until the first competitive games (league games of the new season). Neither referees or teams have yet received the necessary training, which is why this may have caused confusion for you. When temporarily dismissed, there is no administration charge (fine). I'm getting people have a moan at me when I talk about the "Sin-Bin" on here; apparently stating facts and guidelines aren't what this forum is for. If you would like any information on the system, feel free to attend one of the meetings. I'm always happy to answer any questions also. You can reach me on davidrbartlam@googlemail.com. If you are unable to attend any of the meetings, I am hoping to livestream one on Wednesday from The Trelawny League's Facebook page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingster Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Surely referees should be allowed in pre season to practice the system which will also help the teams as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Gangster, actually the sinbin trial has only been sanctioned for the approved league games,so no it cannot be used in any other game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Heaven forbid that the authorities that be allow a referee to use common sense and trial this prior to things actually mattering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally6 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Our referee on Saturday had just been on the course and used it in the game. Only one person showed dissent and received a yellow and sin bin, he didn't want to keep his mouth shut so got the time put up to 20 mins. I believe this system will help the referees, but i am a bit concerned with how the refs will keep track of multiple, staggered sin bins. Our club officials are due to go on the training course shortly so hopefully it will become clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 10 hours ago, cornishlegend said: Played in a game saturday gine where the ref wanted to try the sin bin rule. This is going to cause alot of confussion through the season. He explained beforehand that if theres discent he will yellow card anyone and sin bin them for 10 mins then when they come back on the yellow card is clear amd theres no fine for it. Then it starts again. But surely it can only happen once to the same player before there is a further punishment?? But if a player is already on a yellow card for a different offence then gets pulled up for dissent shouldnt that be a 2nd yellow and sent off or a yellow and sin bin? Going to be alot of stop start games this year. Anyone else played with this rule yet and had it used? Consider the sin bin different to a yellow card. 2 TDs for dissent will still result in a player being dismissed but after the 2nd 10 minutes he doesn't carry on, another player must replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 A point to note ....referees are NOT allowed to use this in friendly matches ....only league games when they start . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob-Englefield Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I can't understand why officials aren't allowed to give this a trial run in pre season friendlies?! Surely this is the perfect opportunity for the referees to get used to how it works, how easy it is to keep time of the temporary dismissals etc. Fair play to those who have given it a go I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally6 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Surely as it is a non-competitive games it's up to the two teams to agree the rules? More subs than normal is an example. Is it not the same as the old pub scienario when it's old rules or new at the pool table! 45 minutes ago, zebedee said: A point to note ....referees are NOT allowed to use this in friendly matches ....only league games when they start . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempo Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 You can't be serious ??? referees aren't allowed to practice using this trial system before official league games, I've heard it all now. Who actually comes up with this nonsense? Sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian beale Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Tempo said: You can't be serious ??? referees aren't allowed to practice using this trial system before official league games, I've heard it all now. Who actually comes up with this nonsense? Sick of it. You'll have to go to one of these meetings!!!!!!!!!! How dare you post something b_d wouldn't like!!!!!!!!! He runs Cornish football now if it's not his way it's the highway ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEACH1 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 any ref caught using the sin bin rule pre season , will be banned from football activates and sent to north korean labour camps where they think about what they have done . bloody refs think their above the law sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris wells Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 this is going to be a right **** up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 11 hours ago, Chris wells said: this is going to be a right **** up Not if you tell your players to keep their gobs shut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie C Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 If here a link that shows where these meetings are etc? Some of us don't really use Facebook. I've not seen any refs use it in preseason as of yet. But surely refs need to understand it and use it so that when it comes to the league we're results really do matter you don't get people ref bashing because they weren't given a chance to iron out the system for themselves. Or maybe do what other counties do have a ref game where refs get to use these practices. because I'm really not keen on going to North Korea this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 The Trelawny League has announced a third and final meeting. This is to take place at Holmans SC on Wednesday, 2nd August 2017 at 7pm. Before that there is one on Thursday 27th July – at Wadebridge Town - 7pm – 8:30pm. This one is primarily for those in the east of the county, but I'm sure no one would mind who goes where! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie C Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Cheers Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Jamie C said: If here a link that shows where these meetings are etc? Some of us don't really use Facebook. I've not seen any refs use it in preseason as of yet. But surely refs need to understand it and use it so that when it comes to the league we're results really do matter you don't get people ref bashing because they weren't given a chance to iron out the system for themselves. Or maybe do what other counties do have a ref game where refs get to use these practices. because I'm really not keen on going to North Korea this time of the year. The problem was though mate referees have been using it without the training and using it incorrectly. I really encourage anyone who wants to know any more to go to any of the meetings or go on to Trelawny website and register for one of the FAs webex events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leehh Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 17/07/2017 at 14:43, wally6 said: Our referee on Saturday had just been on the course and used it in the game. Only one person showed dissent and received a yellow and sin bin, he didn't want to keep his mouth shut so got the time put up to 20 mins. I believe this system will help the referees, but i am a bit concerned with how the refs will keep track of multiple, staggered sin bins. Our club officials are due to go on the training course shortly so hopefully it will become clearer. Sorry but that is wrong and the ref did it wrong. The first dissent is still in proceess. So yes was right to give an extra ten min. But as well as the player not being allowed bk on nor is any player allowed to replace them after 20 min. You would be down to ten men for the rest of the game. A player can only be replaced if the dissent is at a seperate 2nd sin bin not while mouthing off still. That is a 20 min and team down to ten men for rest of game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherwontletmegoargyle Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Questions about the sin bin. Will it operate in the various cups run by the various leagues or just league matches. If it does, if a player is sent to t'bin near the end of a tie to be decided on penalties, are the excluded from taking part in the shoot-out, including the goal keepers? Can a player be substituted while serving a sentence in the bin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 According to the information passed on at the meetings 1. A sin-binned player can take part in a penalty shoot out 2. They can be substituted, but the sub cannot come on until the 10 minutes has elapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 7 hours ago, motherwontletmegoargyle said: Questions about the sin bin. Will it operate in the various cups run by the various leagues or just league matches. If it does, if a player is sent to t'bin near the end of a tie to be decided on penalties, are the excluded from taking part in the shoot-out, including the goal keepers? Can a player be substituted while serving a sentence in the bin? 5 hours ago, AJW said: According to the information passed on at the meetings 1. A sin-binned player can take part in a penalty shoot out 2. They can be substituted, but the sub cannot come on until the 10 minutes has elapsed. AJW is correct for both. For no. 2 it will also take place in a break in play rather than the substitute being allowed to come straight on like a sin binned player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motherwontletmegoargyle Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Thanks for replying. Appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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