cornishteddyboy Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Breaking news from the Combo meeting Falmouth Athletic have disbanded and pulled out of the league! Clubs vote for rolling subs! Illogan Reserves, Helston Reserves in meaning 19 teams next season. Read more in your local press next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 The Falmouth Athletic Club disbanded OR First team withdrawn from the CCL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyBlade. Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Rolling subs is a joke at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITFC Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Totally against this idea. Ridiculous!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Rolling subs, gross stupidity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Pulled out of the league, have heard a rumour it was down to Ben Andros not signing on as 'cover'...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Had the rolling subs discussion before! Use it or don't use it, simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Darren How slick are the changeovers? Does the ref just wave one on as he makes sures another leaves? Or does he have to stop play, check the name, count to 11 or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 It's something that the refs are used to as it's been used in the junior leagues. As I've said, use it or don't use it, it's up to the managers Potentially it means that there's more people playing football and keeping more people happy. I posted about it a couple of years ago and can't see any negatives in it at all People think that players will be coming and going but that isn't the case. The usual substitute rules should still apply that the game should be in position where it is stopped, ie; ball out of play for it to take place. Has it had a negative affect on the junior game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballsax Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Changeovers are the same as they are now. Subs names given before the game. Ball has to be dead/out of play for a sub to be made, same as it is now. Sub tells ref his name, ref checks it, on you go. No different to what it is now apart from it's roll on/off! I wasn't an admirer of this when it came in last year, but have to say in 95% of our games last year it wasn't implemented. Some teams took advantage of it, most actually didn't. As people have said, the rule is in place, but if you don't want to use it you don't have too. Honestly, after a few games, unless you come across a team that takes the **** and makes subs every 5 minutes, you'll hardly know the rule is in effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I think those coaches or managers who are on the ball, could use it effectively to affect set pieces etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Changeovers are the same as they are now. Subs names given before the game. Ball has to be dead/out of play for a sub to be made, same as it is now. Sub tells ref his name, ref checks it, on you go. No different to what it is now apart from it's roll on/off! I wasn't an admirer of this when it came in last year, but have to say in 95% of our games last year it wasn't implemented. Some teams took advantage of it, most actually didn't. As people have said, the rule is in place, but if you don't want to use it you don't have too. Honestly, after a few games, unless you come across a team that takes the **** and makes subs every 5 minutes, you'll hardly know the rule is in effect. Thanks for the explanation. Interesting to hear that in the large percentages of cases, no one used the opportunity anyway! Like everything it will take getting use to I guess. I've not seen many games that the facility was available, however I have to admit that in the West Area Junior Cup Final last season, the mechanics seemed a little clunky. On that occasion however, was it made more complicated because of the electronic board being utilised!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 The biggest problem is that refs are used to checking names etc of subs during a game and held the game up to do so - and old habits die hard. Like it has been said many many times before - it is not compulsory so if you dont like it dont use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Changeovers are the same as they are now. Subs names given before the game. Ball has to be dead/out of play for a sub to be made, same as it is now. Sub tells ref his name, ref checks it, on you go. No different to what it is now apart from it's roll on/off! I wasn't an admirer of this when it came in last year, but have to say in 95% of our games last year it wasn't implemented. Some teams took advantage of it, most actually didn't. As people have said, the rule is in place, but if you don't want to use it you don't have too. Honestly, after a few games, unless you come across a team that takes the **** and makes subs every 5 minutes, you'll hardly know the rule is in effect. Thanks for the explanation. Interesting to hear that in the large percentages of cases, no one used the opportunity anyway! Like everything it will take getting use to I guess. I've not seen many games that the facility was available, however I have to admit that in the West Area Junior Cup Final last season, the mechanics seemed a little clunky. On that occasion however, was it made more complicated because of the electronic board being utilised!? Think that was more down to the clown using it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 it was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Changeovers are the same as they are now. Subs names given before the game. Ball has to be dead/out of play for a sub to be made, same as it is now. Sub tells ref his name, ref checks it, on you go. No different to what it is now apart from it's roll on/off! I wasn't an admirer of this when it came in last year, but have to say in 95% of our games last year it wasn't implemented. Some teams took advantage of it, most actually didn't. As people have said, the rule is in place, but if you don't want to use it you don't have too. Honestly, after a few games, unless you come across a team that takes the **** and makes subs every 5 minutes, you'll hardly know the rule is in effect. Thanks for the explanation. Interesting to hear that in the large percentages of cases, no one used the opportunity anyway! Like everything it will take getting use to I guess. I've not seen many games that the facility was available, however I have to admit that in the West Area Junior Cup Final last season, the mechanics seemed a little clunky. On that occasion however, was it made more complicated because of the electronic board being utilised!? Think that was more down to the clown using it lol And the fact that he had been given it with only 5 minutes to practice. If team sheets are used next season which I believe is going to happen then that will make it much easier for match officials to track who is and who isn't on the field of play. But in reality as long as there are only a maximum of 5 substitutes in the technical area then the match officials could do one on one off and ensure that the play is named as one of the 16 on the team sheet rather than taking down the name of player coming on and the name of the player going off. Hopefully most match officials will be used to this system, and some training will also be provided to those who will be officiating on the league during the annual fitness tests which take place in July and August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Was unsure about it's use when introduced to the Trelawny League last year, but having seen it in action for Trelawny Premier for the last year it hasnt really affected the flow or workings of the game at all. I havent noticed any team taking players on and off regularly through the game, and definitely none of the feared ' bring the big men on for set pieces'. To be honest if you did that those players would soon leave the club if thats all you thought they were good for!! Refs in the vast majority of games ensured a quick changeover to prevent disruption. It has increased participation to a certain extent - as a manager you can feel more able to give a 'weaker' player a runout knowing you can take him off again, but in any of the tighter, 'big' matches this hasnt happened anyway. Overall, as St Darren says its not compulsory for teams to use it, and you'll probably find not many will, especially when the novelty wears off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Congratulations to Illogan & Helston on being promoted......a shame to see another club that only a few years ago won the junior cup fold......watch out Helston! is it a curse (Portreath) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 Surprised Athletic lasted as long as they did, always said they would fold. Some-one may start them again - probably. Rolling subs - good idea, give every-one a chance to have a run out. As others said, because you can, doesn't mean you have too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted June 13, 2014 Report Share Posted June 13, 2014 I've seen the roll on / off subs in the Trelawney League, seemed to work well for the sides, although sometimes confusing for the supporter who looks away for a second or two, and sees 3 different players in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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