Bryan Jones Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Can anyone confirm if Sticker reserves are being docked points for playing a suspended player in their 7-1 victory over Biscovey last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copey Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Who was the suspended player??? Surely sticker wouldnt have done that as that was a comfortable win for them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Jones Posted November 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Rumours Harvey Hann collected too many yellow cards and was suspended for the game but Sticker weren’t notified, just wanted to know if anyone knew any further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjsp Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 He was influential in this result as well.....!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copey Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 The suspension list goes up everyweek by conrwall fa. School boy error if they havnt checked the suspension list!! I expect the league will look in to it not really sure!! Be intresting to see that would be 3 points dropped when it seemed like a comfortable win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coady-9 Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Am I right in thinking they would lose 3 points for the game against biscovey and also another 3 points penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, copey said: The suspension list goes up everyweek by conrwall fa. School boy error if they havnt checked the suspension list!! I expect the league will look in to it not really sure!! Be intresting to see that would be 3 points dropped when it seemed like a comfortable win. There has also been a few emails to referees asking for reports to be in on time, so it may not have been on the list. But it it’s in the rules that clubs should clarify with county and still stop a player from playing if a suspension should occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copey Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 From wot i heard the player in question was on the suspension list last friday. But not 100% sure. Sticker are a very well ran club so it would be an unusuall error from them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Copey stop stirring,you need to look over your shoulder for your contenders not up.Also on behalf of st Stephen 2nds would like 2 thank dobwalls for not coming back for a drink or the pasties & chips # t###s,this happens way 2 often as torpoint only managed 4 2 come back after beating our 1sts ,poor show these days ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copey Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 Everyone in this league is contenders noones to be ritten off everyone can take points off of anyone! Aint stirring just askin the question i didnt no anyone was suspended untill i read it then asked!! St dennis r in the driving seat! P.s we always go bak for food an drink pritty much y half our team play ? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Get that spoon out copey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Jones Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Thanks for the comments guys, hopefully we get some clarification soon, Cheers, Bry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMan42 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Wud b gd if Sticker cud clear this up the sneeky russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Surely if he was ment to be suspended and played he would still be on the suspension on the fa page? There no players on there for sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, cornishlegend said: Surely if he was ment to be suspended and played he would still be on the suspension on the fa page? There no players on there for sticker. Still showing : Harvey Hann Sticker Reserves 11/11/2017 1 18/11/2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Still showing : Harvey Hann Sticker Reserves 11/11/2017 1 18/11/2017 Naughty naughty lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Although I’m told somehow Harvey Hann was not on the suspension list on Saturday 11th, it appeared on the Monday with that date! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor61 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Although I’m told somehow Harvey Hann was not on the suspension list on Saturday 11th, it appeared on the Monday with that date! That is correct Dave! He was not on the updated list on Friday 10th! He was only put on the updated list on Friday 17th.!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, razor61 said: That is correct Dave! He was not on the updated list on Friday 10th! He was only put on the updated list on Friday 17th.!! The question is though, when did he receive the card which resulted in a ban? Was it on the 4th or 11th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliveoil Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 8 hours ago, bighairydave said: The question is though, when did he receive the card which resulted in a ban? Was it on the 4th or 11th? does the date off being given the card matter? because i have seen players given cards then they never come through were the ref has not put them through .Dare i say it but this looks like a communication error between Ref/FA/STICKER no prizes who will suffer cant understand why clubs struggle for volunteers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 hours ago, oliveoil said: does the date off being given the card matter? because i have seen players given cards then they never come through were the ref has not put them through .Dare i say it but this looks like a communication error between Ref/FA/STICKER no prizes who will suffer cant understand why clubs struggle for volunteers In the County rules yes. It is upto the clubs to clarify with county if they haven't received paperwork and suspend. If a referee decides not to send the misconduct in they will then be charged with misconduct too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Jones Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Has anything came of this situation or have Sticker dodged a bullet? Rules are rules after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmer06 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 30/11/2017 at 10:06, Bryan Jones said: Has anything came of this situation or have Sticker dodged a bullet? Rules are rules after all. Interesting post. Bullet dodged it seems, no changes to league table????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Jones Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Seems that way Jimmer06, some clarification on the matter would be good for all teams involved in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmer06 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 50 minutes ago, Bryan Jones said: Seems that way Jimmer06, some clarification on the matter would be good for all teams involved in the league. Yeah at least a reason would be useful for other teams to know. When we all know what happened, we can all abide by the same rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Jimmer06 said: Yeah at least a reason would be useful for other teams to know. When we all know what happened, we can all abide by the same rules Have you guys gone to the league querying it and asking for clarification. If you haven’t, probably a better idea that you do rather than posting on here. The League are not going to answer it on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just to add a little clarity. The incident basically revolves around an FA suspension therefore it is the Cornwall FA that has to attend to it in the first place. I'm sure the CFA has a procedure for dealing with this that has to be adhered to, and this could take some time. IF Cornwall FA eventually rule that a suspended player has played in the match then the Duchy League Management Committee will need to deal with it. There is also a procedure for this which could take some time as well. A lot of people are understandably interested in the outcome of this and when it is officially done and dusted i'm sure we will all know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Sooner rather than later wud b in stickers best interest,if it's the leagues mistake then not their problem really is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, davegrose said: Sooner rather than later wud b in stickers best interest,if it's the leagues mistake then not their problem really is it. The League has no involvement in, or control over, the suspension process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 On 4 December 2017 at 23:42, Paul Collings said: The League has no involvement in, or control over, the suspension process. Well if sticker arnt at fault surely the league can't punish them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 The point i am trying to make is that firstly Cornwall FA (not the Duchy League) has to rule whether Sticker are at fault. I don't know if that decision has been made. But you are right in that if Cornwall FA rule that the player did not play whilst suspended then the League has nothing to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Gords Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 Hi @Bryan Jones, interesting thread. I wonder how much longer this will take, its been a month (give or take a day or two) since 'suspended player gate' Would be nice for all involved, for it to be settled going into the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Jones Posted December 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 I agree Harry but as Paul said, the issue needs to be taken up by Cornwall FA, until then we will just have to wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 A bit more clarity - I understand that Cornwall FA has now finished its review of this and ruled that 'technically' Sticker FC did use a player whilst under suspension but felt that no further sanction (from the CFA) was necessary/appropriate . Clearly this does mean that an ineligible player took part in the game and so the Duchy League's Management Committee will indeed have to consider this at its next meeting - a date for which has not been set as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMan42 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Interesting to see the Cornwall FA being so lenient with a club like Sticker! Makes you wonder if they would act the same towards a smaller club like my hollywell and Cubert.. they are the FA I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Bramble Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Paul Collings said: A bit more clarity - I understand that Cornwall FA has now finished its review of this and ruled that 'technically' Sticker FC did use a player whilst under suspension but felt that no further sanction (from the CFA) was necessary/appropriate . Clearly this does mean that an ineligible player took part in the game and so the Duchy League's Management Committee will indeed have to consider this at its next meeting - a date for which has not been set as far as I know. Hopefully the league will see sense and enforce the rules rather than be as lenient as the CCFA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Maybe, just maybe the CCFA are aware of circumstances that the general public are not privy to as yet, and unless someone that has posted on this thread is interested enough to ASK THEM the reason they arrived at their decision, they may never know why. Daves post on December 3rd has obviously been ignored. Most comments on this subject have been based on supposition, hearsay, and very little fact. The player alledged to be suspended when he played, did not appear on the CCFA suspension list until some days after he had played, that appears to be the only acknowledged and widely accepted fact. Unfortunately some will not let facts get in the way of a good old whinge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 All suspensions now automatically start 7 days after the offence which caused the card and it's up to each Club to monitor when a player receives a 5th (& 10th,15th etc) yellow card or a single red card. It doesn't matter if no paperwork has been received or if it doesn't appear on the CCFA suspensions list; the player is still suspended and all clubs were informed of this prior to the season starting. I can understand things getting confusing for clubs at times - particularly if they transfer in a player who had already received cautions for his previous club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Gords Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 6 hours ago, StarMan42 said: Interesting to see the Cornwall FA being so lenient with a club like Sticker! Makes you wonder if they would act the same towards a smaller club like my hollywell and Cubert.. they are the FA I suppose. It’s just a massive shame, opens the door to other teams trying to ‘pull a fast one’ playing the “we didn’t know” card. I bet Tregrehan Mills wouldn’t get the same leniency, that’s my main concern. And this could potentially effect who moves on into East Cornwall Div 1 I guess? Gee I hope they see sense. Regards, Hazza G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 As stated it appears that FACTS of what happened are only known to those involved and the CCFA, and are, we must suppose, based on what the CCFA are satisfied happened. How can anybody argue that a wrong decision has been made, if they are not aware of the circumstances that led to the CCFA making the decision they apparently have ? Dave Deacon post December 3rd is good advice, anyone tried taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor61 Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Paul Collings said: A bit more clarity - I understand that Cornwall FA has now finished its review of this and ruled that 'technically' Sticker FC did use a player whilst under suspension but felt that no further sanction (from the CFA) was necessary/appropriate . Clearly this does mean that an ineligible player took part in the game and so the Duchy League's Management Committee will indeed have to consider this at its next meeting - a date for which has not been set as far as I know. Hopefully the Duchy League Management will consider why the Cornwall FA reached it's decision when the committee meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 hours ago, razor61 said: Hopefully the Duchy League Management will consider why the Cornwall FA reached it's decision when the committee meet! At least, as with the CCFA, they will be able to make an informed decision, and not have to guess what has happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 18/12/2017 at 11:40, StarMan42 said: Interesting to see the Cornwall FA being so lenient with a club like Sticker! Makes you wonder if they would act the same towards a smaller club like my hollywell and Cubert.. they are the FA I suppose. Holywell & Cubert combined population ( Cubert 1327 - Holywell 5974 ) total is 7,301. Sticker population is 1150. If Sticker is a bigger club , it certainly isn't down to population. What gives them a high standing in the football system in Cornwall, is the effort the backroom boys put in to their club, which in turn attracts players. What has been achieved by that club over the years, didn't come from whinging about what other clubs do, but from getting their heads down and putting in the effort for the benefit of all, including visiting players and their officials. When we visit Burngullow Park, we find Stickers ethos is one to be proud of, others would do well to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMan42 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 We Two, i feel you should change your name to StickerBoy2017, I hope your club manage to get away with this breach of the rules, of which they always seem too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, StarMan42 said: We Two, i feel you should change your name to StickerBoy2017, I hope your club manage to get away with this breach of the rules, of which they always seem too! Sorry that my opinion doesn't concur with yours, all that was said in my comment was fact, unlike the supposition you offer as fact. Rather surprising that you wish a club that you are convinced have broken the rules, get away with it ??? does that mean you support them and will be changing your name as advised. On a serious note, if as you have stated Sticker always get away with a breach of the rules, I for one may change my opinion of them if you can state which rules have been broken that they have not been punished for. We await your reply with interest, but will not be holding our breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMan42 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 fight me you urchin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, StarMan42 said: fight me you urchin Desperation must have set in !!!! No details of what they have got away with then, don't tell me you have been telling porkies surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Gords Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Real shame you cant be a grown up about this We Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, Harry Gords said: Real shame you cant be a grown up about this We Two. Perhaps then you can give a grown up answer to what they have got away with, nothing infantile about that query is there ? As you have posted your approval of StarMan42, any grown up comment on his earlier postings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 This is getting boring now,Sticker played Harvey Hann v Biscovey the week after he had picked up his 5th yellow which means you miss the next game but as Harveys name was not on the ccfa suspension list they still played him.Pretty sure the rules state its up to the club to keep track of these things hence i would imagine the duchy will take the 3 pts & 7 goals away from sticker & impose a small fine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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