Guest WINNO Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 PERHAPS RODDERS YOU COULD GET YOURSELF VOTED ONTO THE JCCL COMMITTEE IN AN ADVISORY ROLE HELPING MR ROBERTS AND MR JAMES ON THE METHODS OF CHEATING THEY USE AS YOU ARE WITHOUT QUESTION NUMERO UNO EXPERT AT IT HANDS DOWN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CHOCOLATE BISCUITS XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 At the end of the day whatever the reason the game was called off for, its not nothing to do with anyone else except porthleven reserves manager, st just manager, both secretaries and the league officials. So don't paying spectators and football followers concerned about the game in Cornwall deserve to know? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mauricio Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 If i well remember a few months ago I few months ago isaac rosenberg started a topic about the St Just game against Wendron beeing called off because the pitch was unfit. Did St Just get the 3 points for that game because "Wendron broke the rules?" don't think so... All i'm trying to say is that this topic seems very similar to that one a few months ago and i don't think you are going to get anything out of that. Let the teams win the game on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paparazzi Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 At the end of the day whatever the reason the game was called off for, its not nothing to do with anyone else except porthleven reserves manager, st just manager, both secretaries and the league officials. So don't paying spectators and football followers concerned about the game in Cornwall deserve to know? You know exactly what i`m on about dave, yes spectators have a right to know but its down the above metioned as to whether a game is postponed or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Much good sense here, even from some of my sharpest critics. I spent thirteen years attending Combo meetings and, as some of you suggest, channelling occasional complaints procedurally. This led to vilification. An hofficer of a club no longer in senior football told me that before Bill Pearce and I had started coming to meetings, they could get back home to ******* by 8 p.m. He was surprised that anybody presumed to speak at them at all till they had been attending for at least ten years. I have now been banned. The same spirit drives those who mysteriously support the game being treated as the property only of hofficers. No wonder the crowds are so small ! In a democracy, any supporter should surely have the right to express an opinion. Kev's distinction between the roles of Vidal James and Keith Downing is an interesting one. Presumably it was Vidal James of the Porthleven first team who required him to cancel his Combo match when six first team players wanted to go to a wedding; and the same Vidal James, who, as Chairman of the Combo League, was also consulted, by himself, to authorise said cancellation three days before the match took place. I think Kev will also find that, whoever phones the referee, the CCFA accept one secretary per club. Who is listed in the CCFA handbook ? Not much of a conflict of roles there, then ! What adds narrative variety to the account is that Gary Marks went along to another match on Saturday. Old friends chat, naturally. What adds character and colour is that Kev has contradicted whatever reason for cancellation was supplied to St Just, on here, and been decent enough to reveal the whole sordid farce presided over by Mr Roberts and Mr James. As far as Mr James, a Porthleven stalwart, is concerned, his loyalty lies primarily with the Porthleven club. As John Mead, his good friend, and others privately recognised over two years ago, he should never have put himself forward for a league role in the first place. Now that this conflict of interest is so clearly causing him to treat someclubs differently from others, the only honourable course is to resign from the league job and get on with what he does best, the uncompromised pursuit of the interests of Porthleven AFC . As a supporter, I do not want the number of games available to be reduced and to see points "awarded". However, I presume that, like every other club, St Just should be reasonably fixtured, with a balanced sequence of home and away games, sensible travelling arrangements and the same treatment as everyone else. To see whether this happens, take a look at CTB's website and judge for yourself. As the Perranporth story indicates, Mr Roberts has made astonishingly inconsistent demands in the past. There is repeated evidence of partiality towards his own local clubs over the years and it is interesting to see how many non-St Just examples of bias forum correspondents have raised. And yes, when these are "one-offs" you "get on with it". But I am not the only person to have beat my head against blatant bias for year after year. I won't prolong this posting unduly by over-exemplification now, but my regular readers may recall chapter and verse. When those in authority deliberately disadvantage some at the expense of others, underdogs may view retaliatoery action as justifiable payback rather than "cheating". It's interesting that two or three of the sillier bretheren on here have resorted to casting up the chaff of name-calling to distract us from the issue. This behaviour is akin to sledging penalty-takers and deserves the same contempt. Unless, of course, they have already been distracted by chocolate biscuits. Winno, please give Dominic another packet of Bourbon Creams if he is suffering withdrawal symptoms. I will reimburse you when we next meet. Time to quit, Vidal ! :SM_carton: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroz Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I dont understand why this subject is going on so much. It sounds to me like Kev and Porthleven have been totally honest and said that they couldnt raise enough players due to the first team taking 6. As Kev and Steve are friends and i understand managers of the league rep side it seems like the 2 clubs agreed for the game to be re fixtured Which having played in Cornwall for sometime has happened quite alot before. Its a very sporting way of sorting this situation out I DONT see the problem at all. St Just seem to have been very fair and from what i gather seem to be happy for the game to be replayed, As kev said if this is not the case Porthleven will offer St Just the points. The Judge has talked about it being the principle, well the principle is if the club phones up on a sat morning and says sorry we cant play today cos we cant raise a side then fair enough imediate fine and give the other team the points but as this seems to have been sorted out by the league and the 2 clubs what the hell is the problem. As for Issacs comments about there being 40 signed on what does that matter most of them will probably be the 1st and second team which could account for around 30 a couple now play for truro but would still be signed on at port due to the different leagues and some will probably be Porthleven rangers who are not affiliated with Porthleven FC so they can not be called upon if Rangers have a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Man on the Post Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Absolutely spot on stroz. Issac has hijacked this situation to advance his personal vendetta. We all know who the good guys are! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Totally agree with Rodney on this one.There could be a dangerous precedent set if Clubs get together and postpone a fixture.Actually,Kevin made a pertinent point about getting a "friendly" referee in to deem a ptch unplayable :we all know this happens. I note that the League Cup went ahead at Wadebridge to-night-no doubt they were delighted their reserve team didn't use the pitch last Saturday!!!-another patriotic referee doing his duty!!??!! You are on very slippery ground here Adlestrop. Might be worth considering some friendly advice before you post this kind of comment, it could become a legal matter if certain people take offence. In case you don't know, I'm the first team manager of WTFC, you can find me in the dug out on Saturday from 3pm. Better still, come and find our Chairman and deliver your apology directly to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeb Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 As far as i am aware the only reason that games in the combo can be called off, is if players are involved in county games, as with Penryn last Saturday, or unfit grounds, to be inspected on the DAY of the match, by a qualified Ref. I think there is situation in the close season when clubs register, they can submit a request to the league for a particular day off, if it known in advance that was to be a wedding where several players might be missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Stuart,that was a tongue-in-cheek question-NOT a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin richards Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Rodney, the name of the Porthleven secretary in the handbook for the combination league side is Mr Keith Downing ! Mr James, believe it or not, & i know you wont, had no imput in the managements decision. Gary Marks WAS at another match on sat, he took the 1st team, including 6 reserve players to Foxhole, thats why the game against St Just was cancelled. & if you were at the game last night against Hayle, you would of counted 7 players on the pitch who played in our last combo cup game at Perranwell, because you see, we are a club & we all sign for both teams ! I think that your futile attempt's to get Mr James & Mr Roberts ousted from their positions is falling on deaf ears Rod, as did most of the drivell you used to spout at meetings. Have you thought about reforming the old West Penwith league m8, that way you could be chairman, secretary & fixture secretary ? Then you could have some really intelligent arguments with yourself !!!! See you at the meeting tonite m8 !!!!! Mike B, yes you are correct m8. Im not trying to hide anything here. I have told this forum exactly what the situation was. We will go to the meeting tonite, fully expecting a telling off & a fine & if Steve Curnow tells me he feels his club should be awarded the points, i will agree to that as well, however, if we do have to play the fixture again, just imagine, we only have 6 players available & we allow St Just to travel all the way to Porthleven knowing that the match referree wont play the game because you have to have at least 7 players to start, what would Mr Beer say then ????????? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thanks, Kev. So if you're now saying that Vidal knew nothing about this, you cannot have followed Rule 10, as kindly priovided by John Mead earlier in the thread. Sadly, I won't see you at the meeting tonight, because as you would know if you had read previous threads carefully, I have been banned from attending as a representative of ANY club by the very people who stand to lose most by an honest exposure of their corruption. All the bitterness you are directing at me is playground stuff. While it shows a different face of you from the one I've seen for several years, which is a shame, I have no need to descend to that level. I think it's a pity that the good name of Porthleven AFC, wghich nothing I have highlighted has sought to question, is tarnished by the contributions of some of the more juvenile attempts to support the glaring inconsistencies of yiour narrative. For what my supporter's opinion is worth, I hope our game is played later, rather than points awarded. In similar circumstances two seasons ago, Mullion were fined £100. Truro had ten points deducted after CCFA moderation of the original penalty. I hope Porthleven are not punished. The heads that should roll belong to James and Roberts. If Mr Roberts had been dealing with a club he likes, after cancelling the Porthleven fixture on Wednesday, Ludgvan would have met us at Fairfield on Saturday. That he didn't bother to rearrange for mere also-rans like our clubs reflects his inconsistency and contempt . Man on the Post, it is only in the universe of children and halfwits that the universe is divided into "good guys" and "bad guys". Enjoy your innocent simplicitude. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tim hawke Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Port seems to be a cracking club why do people feel the need to get on there back T-Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin richards Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Rodney, im really dissapointed that you now dont bother to read other peoples post because, maybe, you feel we are beneath you ! What i said was, Mr James had no imput into the management decision, i did not say, he was not informed ! !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I think it would be a wise move by the jccl is that no serving officer is involved with any member club, i.e. no conflict of interest. :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mauricio Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 so....St Just got the 3 points at the end...well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 READ MY OTHER POSTING ON THE FORUM BUT PORTHLEVEN WERE FINED AND DEDUCTED 3 POINTS WHILST ST JUST HAVE BEEN AWARDED 3 POINTS. END OF TOPIC EVERYONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Good idea, Mr T ! There should be no conflicts of interest. No, Kev, I don't feel anybody is "beneath me". I'm a lifelong socialist of Class War vintage. I'm sorry about the outcome of this. As stated twice already, I didn't want points awarded. It would have been much better if Vital and his hook-snouted Helston crony had been prepared to fall on a sword for the Porthleven club rather than making the Porthleven club fall on its sword for them. No hard feelings towards you or anybody else at Port: I wish you well. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroz Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 fair enough St Just got the points if thats what was agreed but points deducted and a fine is a bit harsh especially as it was all sorted out before the saturday.. anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Yes, shame we're losing a game. Go on, Stroz, tell us more....sorted out by whom, exactly, and when precisely ? Vidal, maybe ? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Stroz, I too would be interested to hear how you think "it was all sorted out before Saturday"! None of the Combination League Officers ever came near to sanctioning a postponement but all agreed that the Wednesday evening was too early to accept that Porthleven would be unable to raise a side on the following Saturday, and "the ball was passed back into Porthleven's court" to do their best to find additional players. Incidentally, Team Managers are not the ones who decide whether games should, or should not, be replayed. Clubs cannot "claim points" neither can they offer them to their opponents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 John, it must be so advantageous for any club to have someone like yourself who can be so authoritative about what league officers did or didn't agree on Wednesday 11. Like Jesus' favourite apostle, also named John, you are so clearly of their bosom that it is amazingly difficult for unfashionable clubs who are not of their bosom to compete, despite the information superhighway that is this forum. I bet Vidal's really grateful to have you in his corner. Fortunately everybody knows the truth about him now, even his own players, even if they can't be arsed to do anything about it, apathy and personal animosity being the strongest drivers in the local game, as always. And as always, your loyalty is one of the finest of your many excellent qualities. See you tomorrow, take care. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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