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isaac rosenberg

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  1. Sorry, don't have a programme, but remember the game finished 7-1 with Joe Trembath scoring from 25 yards at the Farm End in off the car for St Just.
  2. Prozac ! C'm'on, you Smacktown boys have too much skag in your water supply already for it to make any difference. I am just asking why we get cfhaptett and verse from CTB whenever you win, but total silence when St Just troubce you. But there it is. Maybe Priti's got him up Varfell now picking daffodils withe rest of you. Good bracing work, nothing wrong with that. Lovely fresh Cornish air, handsome !
  3. Rusty and Jack are older than me, and I'm old enough to remember God when he was a boy down St Just ! Topical advice for you all. Stop panic buying bog roll. You're only papering over the cracks !
  4. As you know, in Gloucestershire it is only the possibility of a run in the Lockhart Cup that keeps the general population staggering on, Older. I hope your lovely pitch us in top top condition. Should St Just negotiate the semi-final, perhaps they will grace it with their tiki-taki subtlety once again. Bear in mind that they are used to the snooker table surface and calm, even micro-climate of Lafrowda.Park. Delighted to hear of the Penzance gate. If only they could get class visitors like the Tinners every week they could restore their ground and their Senior reputation. That's three victories over them now.. I expect St Just wish they could play them every week too ! Come on, CTB ! "You only post when you're winning, post when you're winning !" (i suppose you and John Mead need an early night before that hearing with Frogpool).
  5. Penzance 1 St Just 2 in the Lockhart Cup. The Magpies were ahead after five minutes. Then Joe Sturgeon and Ashley Ellis replied for the Tinners. Looking forward to CTB's match report.
  6. Yes, Davud187, because, to appropriate a quotation from a different context, "when you place a Cornishmsn on a spit, you can usually find another Cornishman to turn him." In practice, the archaic distinction between senior and junior, a relic of the past like so much in Cornish football administration. Is no longer much of a barrier. My heart will support whoever strives to help St Just come back up through the leagues. The particular players selected are up to that manager to determine. So your question about what existing senior players will do would be better addredsed either to the new management, in the event that they wish to discuss their plans with you, or to the players you have in mind. Since you are clearly a Penzance fan with no benevolence towards St Just in the first place, I would be quite surprised if they chose to hold that discussion. But do feel free to try and stir it as much as you like.
  7. Thanks, Kevin, that's kind. We all do our best and, like life itself, football introduces us to the full range of human behaviour, ranging from the sublime to the obscene, mostly somewhere between. St Just can be quite an extreme place, not only geographically. As you say, I am somewhat Marmite too. Growing up there as the son of somebody who taught some of my fiercest critics at primary school but sent me off to prep school elsewhere had its influence on how I was perceived from the age of about 5. As a passionate fan from the age of 7, I only ever wanted St Just to do well. As Darren says, 75%, at least, of the clubs in the Combo before this year's dramatic shake-up have had individuals attached who paid other individuals from time to time. Why this led to my getting more flak than most others doing the same I am not sure. I don't want to be negative about anybody, but back in the seventies and eighties St Just's performance, considering that, before more recent managers, some players seldom trained, was sensational, but it couldn't last. There are two or three "stalwarts" who, to the bottom of their refilling tankards, bitterly resented their replacement by the likes of Andy Trathen, Ben Leonard, John McCallum, Andy Dyer, Shane Richards, Gary Edmunds, Gary Bell and Jerry Ede, several of whom were based in West Penwith or just beyond. Only in St Just would that be regarded as "foreign". I was once called out for "outsider" abuse because my father had actually been born elsewhere....all the way over in Marazion. To pay players or not to pay them...the debate goes on. The purist "loyal village players" position would be great if we didn't live in a poor economy where the ambitious still tend to leave the county during prime footballing years. I was away from 18 to 34 too, but not much loss there ! And back then, Dave Wadd's Penzance sought to entice the best of St Just, Marazion and Mousehole to "higher standard" football. And yes, they offered brown envelopes. Even those who epitomised club loyalty, like the sainted Will James, much older than me, were also seduced into a spell as a Magpie. That village spirit has gone now, partly because most people buy cars, most jobs require travel, and education, for all the degree courses I used to help to develop at Truro and Cornwall Colleges, is mostly up the line. It has been a long time coming. In 1969, I had to sing the verse underneath as part of the Humphry Davy School Song. Even then, our identity was defined by a melancholic awareness that we were over the hill: "As mighty waters ebb and flow Against the granite shore, So we, an ebbing tide, must go, This place be ours no more. For other waves from ocean deep Are surging in to land, Another race will take our place And bear the torch in hand........... By memory's chain we linked remain Whatever may befall Our (club) be still the first and last, Our motto "One And All."
  8. Many excellent points made in the posts above, as well as some mis- interpretation of motive and fact in relation to St Just. When there is competition for places at a club, the best players step up their game. The likes of Stuart Nicholls. Jon Bird and the Curnow family, none of them paid, did exactly that. Weaker players either train harder to regain their places or go to the pub, moan and leave. Often that weskness is a measure of character rather then football ability. The certain person targeted by david187 is obviously me. Many of his assertions are exaggerated and sone are untrue, but I get whete he is coming from. Okay. Two Combo Cups and league runners-up for slightly more money than quoted. donated by me, but also five to seven thousand a year raised through the organisation of workplace lotteries, supplemented by such activities as my dressing up as my mother on Lafrowda Day in Market Square reciting the poetry of TS Eliot while inviting passers by, for suitable sums, to throw eggs or water at me. Worth £800 to the club at the time. I have never been responsible for taking a single penny of St Just AFC funds to pay any player and I never would. In fact. My earlirst payments to players saved us from relegation, in the days ehen John Roberts was trying to organise it; and a former manager had taken 16 players to Penxance, as CTB knows well. The post, the bar, the late Andy Trathen' and a seventeen year old keepet I drove down from Polgooth saved our Combo status by a hairsbreadth in a 2 1 home evening win against Illogan.What now matters is for the club,at whatever level, to survive and thrive in the grim contemporary environment of Cornish football. To that end, whoever takes it forward with alternative ideas which promote this goal has my absolute support. I will in future occupy no official position, but in case of acute need the club knows where I am. Just one word about localism. Better communications and greater social mobility have rendered the narrower parochial loyalties of the past defunct. The "outsiders" I introduced came in most cases from a 20 mile radius. Yet Penzance, in the days when they could hoover local talent and were a successful club, paid Plymouthians and seated that talent on the bench. Perhaps because I am an exuberant communist gobshite who despises the hierarchical establishments of Cornwall, in football and elsewhere, I, as an insolent St Juster, take more flak than them.
  9. I will not dignify david187 with an answer. He is a sad man, deeply antipathetic to the interests of St Just AFC. St Darren is uncannily accurate....I left Cornwall in 2009. As a point of information, I was not the sponsor under debate in this thread. While I may make occasional donations, they are not in that league. Every little helps: perhaps le boss would like to show the same spirit of generosity to Carharrack. My only future involvement at St Just will be as an occasional supporter: there is no "black cloud" from me. After a very helpful chat to Joe Sturgeon, I wish him and his family well in taking the club forward. Just one observation about the contrast between Cornwall and elsewhere. Here in Gloucestershire, I have watched an entertaining series of pre-season friendlies between Forest Green Rovers, Cirencester, Brimscombe, Yate Town, Slimbridge, Shortwood United and Chalford. All are within 15 miles of the others. All have proper referees. Most have excellent facilities and are solvent, despite some crowds not being much bigger than we see in Cornwall. There is the same tooth-gnashing angst about the awful, awful imposition of changed league structures from a London-based FA. Cornwall needs somebody to communicate that its geography and demography are not typically English and to articulate this at the upper reaches of the FA. In Gloucestershire, there is an air of local co-operation and comparative affection between neighbouring clubs. I am not alone in watching all of the above, probably attending 80 matches a year. By contrast, the interplay of Cornish clubs is more like a group of reptiles trapped in a sack biting each other to death for the last gasp of air. The standard of football in Cornwall is comparatively so abysmal that, in all honesty, a club importing the best four players from my entirely amateur local side in Brimscombe every week would have won last year's JCCL by twenty points. I appreciate that things are so tough that for many young men in Cornwall even £20 to play football keeps the wolf from the door, Expense begets expense. I heard of a player yesterday, offered that amount by a local club, who on hearing that the rest of the team were also to receive the same, insisted that, as he thought he was better, he would now demand £40 a game. Of course, this is all unsustainable. Ultimately the unbridled development of capitalism permitted by the nonsense neo-liberal economics which gave us austerity and the SKY TV business plan have dominated the policies of the FA at every level of the game. In simple terms, the rich are richer and the majority are scat. Unsurprisingly, the youngsters prefer getting fat playing FIFA and watching the best players in the world from their sofa to going out in the fog down St Just. It's a cheap, isolated activity, if your diet is pickle flavoured crisps. A lot of them are understandably quite depressed... That's the world you are in, folks ? Gonna keep fighting each other to death, or try to change it by biting your way out of the sack co-operatively ? Change the politics.
  10. I have discovered today that Neil Stephens, who was the most dynamic lobbyist for change at St Just, has decided to step away from the club. He agrees with me : the decision to drop the first team 's status would not have been his either. I wish him well. Since neither he, I, nor any of the Curnow family were present at the unconventionally called EGM and the one dissenting voice present, agsinst a majority of five, was putative new manager and vice. Chair Terry Sturgeon, I respectfully suggest that oymight be in the interest the club to revisit this decision. While I aplte iatr that Mr Carpenter and others cannot now allow flip-flopping...and I thank him in particular for his tolerant forbearance... It would be worth revising the decision regarding sponsorship and engsging ore people with proven experience and acuity in club administration For information, Keith, I understand that The Tinner newbie is Joe Sturgeon, our new Chair.
  11. Firstly, thanks to Rappoi and others for their kind comments about St Just, past and present. In answer to the question about responsibility for the application to the St Piran's League, I took emergency Life President action to meet the deadline and asked the Club Secretary to ensure that appropriate notification was given. The subsequent AGM and EGM were held without any notice as required by club rules and I did not know about either. However, it is not my intention to raise politica,legal or procedural objections to this. It is in the interests if St Just AFC that those who have striven to take control of the club from previous stalwarts now step up to the positions of responsibility they apparently wanted. I would much prefer a junior club to no club at all. In moving to this new situation, however. I think the new hierarchy should avoid suggesting that the timing of Steve Curnow''s relinquishing the role if manager had anything to do with the current difficulty. Steve has not received good off field support for some time. He would prefer to remain actively involved in the club. After hus quarter- century of recent service, suitable commemoration and thanks should be provided. Looking forward, as a supporter, I am puzzled by the committee's decision to turn down a major team sponsor, but look forward to their creative funding ideas and campaign for the Trelawny League and Junior Cup. Those St Just youngsters who refused to step up to the first team will, I hope, now that the committee has sanctioned their actions and put them at the heart of the club, reward the faith the committee's localism implies with loyalty, conscientious training, club spirit and engagement. From the bottom of my heart, I wish them success. I now plan to step up my involvement with Forest Green Rovers instead. Had the decision been mine, St Just would be embarking on a senior season with an experienced manager and a lucrative sponsor. I understand the counterarguments and I hope Mr Gray, the younger Mr Sturgeon and Mr Stephens prove that their alternative views are better for St Just AFC. Come on you Tinners !
  12. I could say plenty. But for once, I won't. I would have taken a different path, but it is now up to those who decided to becomd a junior club to show that their decision was in the longer term interest if football in St Just. I genuinely hope they are right and I am wrong.
  13. Steve has been a superb manager and clubman for some 23 seasons and is indeed a hard act to follow. I thank him for all the good times when a number of people on and off the field were able to support his leadership,which contrbuted a good spirit, entertaining football and success including two cup wins and a league runners-up spot to the westernmost senior club. I hope that those taking forward the responsibility for running this historic club will act prudently and find a worthy successor. Good luck to the alumni of the future.
  14. Very pertinent. Did you know Cornwall has the best regional per capita funding rate for mental health within the NHS ? Can't imagine why.
  15. How much is the fine for not having somebody recently certificated, Steve ? (I know, I made that word up, because "certified" has other pertinent associations).
  16. I like the idea if the Curnow Scone Cup. Linda Curnow does make beautiful scones. I have eaten lots of them. But remember, this is a Cornish league. None of that Devonian nonsense here. Jam before cream, always. Any club spreading the scones the other way round should be heavily fined. A new league is an opportunity to set the highest of cultural standards. Our treatment of the Curnow Scone Cup defines our identity. Jam before cream !
  17. A virtual programme would match The Money Man's virtual money.
  18. Hardly, Mick. I was a Club Secretary for over a decade. Like the Flappers on Swift's isle of Laputa, I find a little external stimulus sometimes gets machinery to sputter into life. It's like smacking a newborn to get it breathing.
  19. Yes, thank you. Like Dr Doolittle, I have found it professionally beneficial to learn to understand animals. Welcome in advance to Lafrowda, even if there is no Bovril. Following talks with Forest Green Rovers about other matters, we may be entirely vegetarian by then, but I'm planning a nice selection of herb teas.
  20. I suggest this is a deliberate attempt by a representative if Penzance to continue the process in which the club has been engaged since its inception, to attack St Just's interests in any way possible. Even. It seems, from beyond its grave, now it exists only as an outcrop of Mousehole, with whom St Just's relations have heretofore been perfectly cordial.
  21. It will be. Read the minutes. I know Penzance interfere at every level of Cornish football, but what do St Just's interactions with the St Piran League have to with you, David187 ?
  22. Thanks, Steve. I'm sorry, Mr Throbjaw,, but I don't identify with low-culture daytime television references, as I imagine that you do. I don't think I've heard the W word, once favoured by East Londoners, since the 1970s. You're clearly one of the poor old NHS tourists who have come down to spend their declining years camped on Cornish council tax and I wish you well, especially in getting that sunshine to cure your poor old arthritic bones. Bet you've got one of those lovely, tasteful 42 inch TVs on your wall. You take care now.....
  23. Only slightly ? Perhaps this is reflective of the degree of dignity the FA interference with Cornwall deserves, then. Been dealing with two jokers in the Combo for years, Mick, who are as amateur as you can get. Old habits, eh ? I'm not a warrior either; more an absurdist philosopher. Your mathematical symbol appears to be the wrong way round and I suppose apostrophes are a bit old hat when your emoticons are so expressive. Never mind, eh ?
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