BAGMAN Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Can anyone explain to me how an original 2 game ban for 2 yellow cards can turn into a 6 game ban on appeal? Now I understand that an appeal can go one of two ways but seriously, 6 games! Just because a club has the temerity to question the paragons of virtue at the CCFA ; they followed due process, wrote a detailed letter and in no way questioned the sending off, just the wording of the Officials statement. It seems just because the Referee wrote effectively what he wanted the report to read and not the actual course of events, then it's his word v the Club. If someone from CCFA could explain it to me I would be most grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Perhaps there was an added ban for misconduct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I very much doubt you will get someone from the CCFA on here, try their website which has a contacts tab. I personally think the 6 game ban is a bit excessive, but even in the professional game if you appeal you are taking a chance of the ban being lengthened. What was said in the report and what happened on the day? If you are willing to come on here to highlight what has happened I'm sure you can shed some light on the facts so we can all give a response rather than speculating, which is what you are currently doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGGG Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I will try to get a representative of the CCFA on my Hub sport show as soon as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted October 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I'll check the exact wording on the Refs report but the actual ban extension gives no reasonable explanation at all, seems a bit draconian really. All you ask for is is fair hearing and get judged by effectively a 'kangaroo court'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheball2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 Can I ask BAGMAN, what were the two yellows for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barters Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 I would suggest the club secretary speaks to Richard at the CCFA who is in charge of the disciplinary issues. Have to say he is very approachable and professional. In the dealings we have had he has a very common sense approach and explains the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted October 18, 2014 Report Share Posted October 18, 2014 No one has a common sense approach at the Cornwall FA ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druth1966 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Can anyone explain to me how an original 2 game ban for 2 yellow cards can turn into a 6 game ban on appeal? Now I understand that an appeal can go one of two ways but seriously, 6 games! Just because a club has the temerity to question the paragons of virtue at the CCFA ; they followed due process, wrote a detailed letter and in no way questioned the sending off, just the wording of the Officials statement. It seems just because the Referee wrote effectively what he wanted the report to read and not the actual course of events, then it's his word v the Club. If someone from CCFA could explain it to me I would be most grateful. did you go to the appeal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denty01 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I am confused Bagman how can they increase a ban from 2 games to 6 on appeal, the ruling is that you can not appeal a ban without video evidence. Therefore by the same token if there is no video evidence there should of been no appeal and no increase in ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlaw18 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the appeal process has changed and you no longer need video evidence. You just need evidence in the form of statements from anyone who was at the ground on that day. This is why the referee's report had to be full of detail to paint a true picture of what happend (in their opinion). Why did you appeal when you are not questioning the sending off? a failure in the appeal process will mean an increased ban everyone knows that! But yes, 4 extra games does seem a bit much. what was the offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I believe that this incident is due to misconduct which occurred after the player had been sent off. A second yellow can't be appealed, video evidence or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 You're correct bighairydave, on further investigation it transpires that the further 4 game ban was in fact for an incident which took place after the game and not on appeal, my mistake. Apologies for any confusion and any slight on the Appeal process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barters Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Have to say dealing with the CCFA this season has been a darn site easier than last - Big Al will probably have a different opinion given his last posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasa Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Got to agree that when I dealt with Richard in his previous post at the Devon FA he was more than helpful. Give him a call and I'm sure he'll help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostin04 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well I am in the process of an accusation from a referee in which I threatened or assaulted him. This by the way is an unbelievable fabrication of the events that day in which he booked me after talking to him, in turning around he threatened me so I responded by swearing. I have accepted the red card even though I'm not happy about it but if his lie is accepted then financially and in football terms it's a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 If you admit to swearing at the referee then a red card is (or should be) inevitable as the "respect" thread on this forum has pointed out time and again. If this official did indeed threaten you or otherwise behaved improperly I believe your only form of redress is to speak with your Football Secretary before he puts in his report so that he can address the problem and score tha Referee accordingly (depending, of course, on his performance during the remainder of the match). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 The referee will always get away any misdemenour - the appeal jury will always come down on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Big Al, generally the appeals board come down on the referees side because witnesses are unreliable and generally not credible from my experience. Nothing to do with anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barters Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 One has to say that it depends on the incident - at Torpoint v Pensilva we had five red cards - three where not constestablale given the interesting reports - though very doubtful - but by the letter of LOAF correct - the other two we contested and won by Torpoint - as always you kick off when you are winning five nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGGG Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Mr Richard Pallot has agreed to come on my Hub sport show Sat. 1st November.at 2.05pm to answer questions. If you have any please post or email me dale.godding@btinternet.com Now is the time to clear the air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Is this the beginning of the Cornwall FA becoming less of a secret society ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer Follower Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 The CCFA are not a "secret society" BIG AL.From the days when it was basically run by one person,they have made big strides to be more open and approachable,a fact which will be backed up by many club secretaries and club officials throughout Cornwall. Richard is relatively new to Cornwall but he,and his predecessor Jo,have always been there to answer any questions in a straightforward and open manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Waters Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I would also like to confirm that Richard Pallot is a real 'find' by CCFA - whilst he has to impose the rules and laws of the game he is a genuine 'gentleman' when dealing with clubs and players, plenty of common sense and extremely realistic in his approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlaw18 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I would also like to confirm that Richard Pallot is a real 'find' by CCFA - whilst he has to impose the rules and laws of the game he is a genuine 'gentleman' when dealing with clubs and players, plenty of common sense and extremely realistic in his approach. Have to agree with you on this one. I have only met him once when he was training referees to use the Whole Game System. Very approachable and very good at explaining things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivory Toast Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I would also like to confirm that Richard Pallot is a real 'find' by CCFA - whilst he has to impose the rules and laws of the game he is a genuine 'gentleman' when dealing with clubs and players, plenty of common sense and extremely realistic in his approach. A top man indeed. Definitely Devon FA's loss. He is the kind of guy that could help change CCFA archaic ways and push Cornish football in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I will believe that when I SEE IT ! It will take a very special person to bring Cornwall FA into the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff's Telling Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I will believe that when I SEE IT ! It will take a very special person to bring Cornwall FA into the 21st century. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..................!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Why was the original 2 yellows a 2 match ban? Thought that was a 1 match ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGGG Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Come give us a real question!!! R. Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Come give us a real question!!! R. Dale I'm sorry but does this post mean anything to anyone? I cannot see any relevance to any other post on this thread. Kindly explain Mr ( or Ms. ) DGGG what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I thought I had a valid post with my comment lol I never known 2 yellows to be a 2 match ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I thought I had a valid post with my comment lol I never known 2 yellows to be a 2 match ban Possibly second red of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Come give us a real question!!! R. Dale You need to refer back to his earlier post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ah, Thank-you Dave just a little less obscure now. My apologies Dale. I'll try to find the time to listen in and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGGG Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Thanks Brugel the Elder. Just trying to be helpful. Definitely not Ms, more Old Git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Smiling Assassin Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I will believe that when I SEE IT ! It will take a very special person to bring Cornwall FA into the 21st century. So this very special person wouldn't happen to be you BIG AL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Of course it would but seeing that membership of the Cornwall FA is "an old boy act" and I do not wear the famous black blazer with oversized badge - it will never be ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barters Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Well all of us who have dealt with the CCFA (Richard) this season are wrong and Big Al is correct. At least I know my place :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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