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I'd read the rumblings on here that Newquay weren't perhaps worthy of the numerous, exaggerated Title-Certainty posts recently.

Basically based around the suggestion that they'd only played lower league opposition?

Well today Newquay had the chance to bolster their reputation. Dobwalls are in my opinion, currently credible Top 6 opposition. They duly beat Newquay to delete that slightly inflated, unbeaten 'promotion-certainty' headline.

During the same afternoon, over 200 punters watched a new favourite storm forward for title talk consideration.

A side with momentum, strong coaching and recently upgraded squad selections.

Liskeard beat a respected, hard working, competitive Callington side 2-0 with a blend of flair, grit and never say die attitude.

Perhaps that SWPL title chase is wide open again..?

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22 minutes ago, Paul said:

People get to excited.

Trophy's have never been handed out in August, September, October, November, December, January, February, March. 

A long long way to go for every club this season. 

However it would be pretty boring with nothing to talk about if we didn't Paul! :)

 

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46 minutes ago, Uwdi Krugg said:

I'd read the rumblings on here that Newquay weren't perhaps worthy of the numerous, exaggerated Title-Certainty posts on here recently.

Basically based around the suggestion that they'd only played lower league opposition?

Well today Newquay had the chance to bolster their reputation. Dobwalls are in my opinion, currently credible Top 6 opposition. They duly beat Newquay to delete that slightly inflated, unbeaten 'promotion-certainty' headline.

During the same afternoon, over 200 punters watched a new favourite storm forward for title talk consideration.

A side with momentum, strong coaching and recently upgraded squad selections.

Liskeard beat a respected, hard working, competitive Callington side 2-0 with a blend of flair, grit and never say die attitude.

Perhaps that SWPL title chase is wide open again..?

Same old story at liskeard, plenty of cash injection but will it get them over the line at the end? The last two seasons read no… 

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1 hour ago, Cornishtribute said:

Same old story at liskeard, plenty of cash injection but will it get them over the line at the end? The last two seasons read no… 

Perhaps it's not so much money, more like a great team spirit, a vibrant positive freedom-to-inspire coaching plan, team bonding, & not forgetting that top support team who cater for a lovely Lux Park venue & friendly club culture. It's a great place to watch football, never mind play it. The ground was a picture today

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10 hours ago, Uwdi Krugg said:

Perhaps it's not so much money, more like a great team spirit, a vibrant positive freedom-to-inspire coaching plan, team bonding, & not forgetting that top support team who cater for a lovely Lux Park venue & friendly club culture. It's a great place to watch football, never mind play it. The ground was a picture today

You've just signed Ryan Richards on mate......he hasn't dropped down a level for a pasty

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9 minutes ago, Footy follower said:

You've just signed Ryan Richards on mate......he hasn't dropped down a level for a pasty

seems a lot of people sulking about liskeard supposedly spending? you think mconie & grange have dropped down from southern to swpl this season to also just play for a pasty? let alone with when bray evans is fit playing will he be as well?🤷🏻‍♂️

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3 minutes ago, Buggzy said:

seems a lot of people sulking about liskeard supposedly spending? you think mconie & grange have dropped down from southern to swpl this season to also just play for a pasty? let alone with when bray evans is fit playing will he be as well?🤷🏻‍♂️

No....I don't have any problem with it....if the players are available, especially the right players with good attitudes like Ryan Richards....and you can afford it.....go for it

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Richard’s has signed knowing he’s back in the western league next year surely.       The games between Newquay and Liskeard are going to worth a watch . Saw louis price play a few weeks ago.  Is there a better striker in the league ?

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There should be no problem paying a player for their services providing the club involved go through the F.A. required procedure that will also involve H.R.M.C.

Failure to follow these rules can have a devestating effect on the club as the club would be the designated employer regardless of who foots the wages bill.

If this government do as they have suggested and employ an extra 3,000 people to investigate what has been designated as fraud, it's in the interest of all clubs to ensure that they are acting within the peramatures of F.A. and H.M.R.C. Rules & Regulations.

Don't believe that it can't happen to us without at least checking.

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Very true We Two.

I remember a few years ago that a self employed lad was investigated by HMRC.

They somehow found out that he played football for a couple of local teams and asked if he was being paid by them.

He said that he was not being paid by either club and they asked for bank statements to prove it.

I suspect that clubs probably pay players in cash to avoid any paper trail if they want to stay under the radar of HMRC?I

It is a potential nan an a skin for clubs and players.

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13 hours ago, Uwdi Krugg said:

Perhaps it's not so much money, more like a great team spirit, a vibrant positive freedom-to-inspire coaching plan, team bonding, & not forgetting that top support team who cater for a lovely Lux Park venue & friendly club culture. It's a great place to watch football, never mind play it. The ground was a picture today

Showing one’s true colours 

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1 hour ago, The Governor said:

He said that he was not being paid by either club and they asked for bank statements to prove it.

I suspect that clubs probably pay players in cash to avoid any paper trail if they want to stay under the radar of HMRC?I

What's to say any financial benefit comes from the club?

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25 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

What's to say any financial benefit comes from the club?

I believe that as their percieved employers the club have a responsibility to ensure that all payments incurred in the payment of what are in essence staff/employees are properly recorded in their annual accounts.

Furthermore any debts incurred that a club are unable to pay, falls in to the catergory where the responsibility is of the clubs committee to pay.

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It was great listening to Newquay’s recently elected Club Chairman on the Rappo and Deacs podcast in terms of getting local players back and sorting the club structure out in terms of creating a sustainable club, and 1st team gaining promotion is key to that. I wonder if Liskeard have a clear plan if they start moving up the leagues, as all I’ve read over the last few seasons how good their players are, but they short. IMO they tend to attract players who could have, or have played at a higher level, rather than players on the way up. 

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10 hours ago, We Two said:

I believe that as their percieved employers the club have a responsibility to ensure that all payments incurred in the payment of what are in essence staff/employees are properly recorded in their annual  ……

Far too many assumptions for me! 

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I agree Deacs, if Liskeard or Newquay think Ryan or Jack are worth that extra few quid to take them over the line then that’s their prerogative. Both clubs have good sensible football people involved running the clubs, I’m sure they are well aware of their own finances, what they can spend and what they can’t. To be honest it’s nobody else’s business anyway! Some clubs improve facilities, others want promotion, sure they are capable of being the judge of their own clubs and ignore the negativity of some on here anyway. Good luck to them. 
 

Not sure there is anymore clarity than there was before Saturday to be honest Uwdi? Think most of us would agree it’s between Newquay and Liskeard with a couple of the usual dark horses? Think Wendron are most of us 2nd favourite club if you like, but they’ve dropped 13 points from 13 games, Wadebridge have lost 5 games already, so think you’ve got to put Dobwalls in the running (as with the dark horses) after Saturdays result along with possibly Penzance, which gives us less clarity than before I think 🤔  I’m sure the two big Newquay v Liskeard games will have a factor but both have already slipped up against teams you’d expect them to beat? So with only a 30 game season, you can’t afford to be losing 4/5 games I don’t think, interesting times ahead!? Maybe that big wallet might come out again for someone!! 😀👍

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9 hours ago, RAPPO said:

I agree Deacs, if Liskeard or Newquay think Ryan or Jack are worth that extra few quid to take them over the line then that’s their prerogative. Both clubs have good sensible football people involved running the clubs, I’m sure they are well aware of their own finances, what they can spend and what they can’t. To be honest it’s nobody else’s business anyway! Some clubs improve facilities, others want promotion, sure they are capable of being the judge of their own clubs and ignore the negativity of some on here anyway. Good luck to them. 
 

Not sure there is anymore clarity than there was before Saturday to be honest Uwdi? Think most of us would agree it’s between Newquay and Liskeard with a couple of the usual dark horses? Think Wendron are most of us 2nd favourite club if you like, but they’ve dropped 13 points from 13 games, Wadebridge have lost 5 games already, so think you’ve got to put Dobwalls in the running (as with the dark horses) after Saturdays result along with possibly Penzance, which gives us less clarity than before I think 🤔  I’m sure the two big Newquay v Liskeard games will have a factor but both have already slipped up against teams you’d expect them to beat? So with only a 30 game season, you can’t afford to be losing 4/5 games I don’t think, interesting times ahead!? Maybe that big wallet might come out again for someone!! 😀👍

Cheers Rappo & Deacs, not going to say too much more than my sensible friends other than to say, absolutely nobody knows Myself or Jacks budgets at our clubs and that’s how it will stay. Have the doubters thought that the players mentioned could be playing at this level just to enjoy their football? It’s clearly not money orientated as they could all go and play at a much higher level if that  was the case.

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51 minutes ago, JonColenzo said:

Cheers Rappo & Deacs, not going to say too much more than my sensible friends other than to say, absolutely nobody knows Myself or Jacks budgets at our clubs and that’s how it will stay. Have the doubters thought that the players mentioned could be playing at this level just to enjoy their football? It’s clearly not money orientated as they could all go and play at a much higher level if that  was the case.

As a neutral, I've seen a few fancy-dan, apparent big-name players at various SWPL & Western games this season. Most of em appeared a little under cooked & somewhat distant from the proceedings on the pitch.

However, I can honestly say this doesn't seem to be the case with Liskeard Athletic. From Saturdays game alone, it was plain for everyone to see, the genuine unity, passion, commitment and enjoyment ALL the team members contributed.

They certainly looked like they wanted to be there. Which was a tad different to the brown envelope boys you can't fail to spot at other clubs. 

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At the end of the day it is up to the individual clubs to set their budget.

If they have the resources to bring in better players then good luck to them.

If one of two clubs have these resources and the ambition to push for higher league football as several cornish teams have done in the last few seasons then there is nothing to stop them doing this?

For other clubs there are other priorities no doubt such as using a limited budget to bring through the younger players which has been well documented in this forum.

Every year there are moans about one club or another using players who also play at other clubs which by the way is allowed by the FA.

I never hear anyone moan when they play teams from a higher division in cup comp so why do people moan about it?

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No I didnt go to Lantoon Park Wetsuit i went and watched Newquay 3rd team vs Grampound and Newquay have some real good youngsters there who will get into the 1st team for sure in the future . 

Good win for Dobwalls vs Newquay Well Done and without there top player Oscar Larriea whose gone back packing around the world lucky sod .

Ian Pethick you say the Pasties are good at Liskeard are good but dont think you can have a better pasty than at Wadebridge pastry to die for and plenty of meat bit dear at £4 but its worth it .

Hope i will be able to go to Wadebridge this Saturday to see them vs Newquay i will be applauding both teams got a soft spot for Wadebridge .

I reckon Jack Bray Evans and Matt Saunders maybe back for Newquay i predict both will be on the bench should be a great game  im hoping Matt Lloyd pulls a muscle during the week because he is on form at the moment scoring every match .

Hope to see you there at Wadebridge on Saturday should be  a cracker im going for a draw for me trouble is i wont be able to watch the whole match due to it getting darker early due to my eyes being buggered by radiotherapy and floodlit footy and Car Headlights effect my eyes badly .

Thats enough from me until Saturday if i do go to Wadebridge

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11 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

Far too many assumptions for me! 

Please read Steve Carpenters post where he posted the legal outcome of player & club responsibilities.

We have no paticular allegiance to any club in the county, just a love of the game in general, but we have offered our opinion in the hope that all clubs from Liskeard at the top of the league to Launceston at the bottom are fully aware of their responsibilites.
It's rather a pity that a concern for all clubs in all leagues in the county is seen as a negative approach to their wellfare, when information is offered in the form of potential help.
Should anyone read Mr Carpenters post of a Government document, be sure to google the various identity numbers given and decide for yourselves whether the content may apply to your club, as this was our intention in our original post which appears to have been construed as a slight on particular clubs.

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On 26/10/2024 at 20:17, Uwdi Krugg said:

I'd read the rumblings on here that Newquay weren't perhaps worthy of the numerous, exaggerated Title-Certainty posts recently.

Basically based around the suggestion that they'd only played lower league opposition?

Well today Newquay had the chance to bolster their reputation. Dobwalls are in my opinion, currently credible Top 6 opposition. They duly beat Newquay to delete that slightly inflated, unbeaten 'promotion-certainty' headline.

During the same afternoon, over 200 punters watched a new favourite storm forward for title talk consideration.

A side with momentum, strong coaching and recently upgraded squad selections.

Liskeard beat a respected, hard working, competitive Callington side 2-0 with a blend of flair, grit and never say die attitude.

Perhaps that SWPL title chase is wide open again..?

It is to the chagrin of the Liskeard haters..... Never a good thing to be talked of as title favourites. First big test and the 'Mints fall short. It helps make the SWPL West contest more interesting to neutral obserbvers for sure!

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6 hours ago, We Two said:

Please read Steve Carpenters post where he posted the legal outcome of player & club responsibilities.

Most of us are aware of the legal implications, and that includes the clubs. Few however have any idea what sort of money is going through clubs and being passed onto players!

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22 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

Most of us are aware of the legal implications, and that includes the clubs. Few however have any idea what sort of money is going through clubs and being passed onto players!

The amount of money paid and by whom was never an issue raised by us, just friendly advice to all and sundry of the rules and possible consequences. 
Clearly our post has been misinterpreted.

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On 28/10/2024 at 09:18, Uwdi Krugg said:

As a neutral, I've seen a few fancy-dan, apparent big-name players at various SWPL & Western games this season. Most of em appeared a little under cooked & somewhat distant from the proceedings on the pitch.

However, I can honestly say this doesn't seem to be the case with Liskeard Athletic. From Saturdays game alone, it was plain for everyone to see, the genuine unity, passion, commitment and enjoyment ALL the team members contributed.

They certainly looked like they wanted to be there. Which was a tad different to the brown envelope boys you can't fail to spot at other clubs. 

The core are all local boys with a love for their club and that you have to respect, but lets not forget that a few of them have tried their hand elsewhere in recent years, most recently Gilbert for a rather large 'brown envelope' that you talk about. Fair play for coming back and being 'loyal' but more fool Liskeard for paying what they're paying to very good players yes, but in a pub league which is a standard that the players would have been paying to play in not long ago. Is it a sign that clubs are desperate to get out of it, or is it just because they've always paid players that they continue to do so despite the significant drop in standard which I'm sure Darren Gilbert can testify himself having dominated the division himself for so many years when it was actually competitive. 

It should be the year Liskeard go up, but how long has that been said for, 5-6 years? They're just running out of teams now to finish above them. Good luck to them and Newquay - it would be great to see either in the Western League to join the other Cornish clubs (should they stay in it!).

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26 minutes ago, Crouchy85 said:

The core are all local boys with a love for their club and that you have to respect, but lets not forget that a few of them have tried their hand elsewhere in recent years, most recently Gilbert for a rather large 'brown envelope' that you talk about. Fair play for coming back and being 'loyal' but more fool Liskeard for paying what they're paying to very good players yes, but in a pub league which is a standard that the players would have been paying to play in not long ago. Is it a sign that clubs are desperate to get out of it, or is it just because they've always paid players that they continue to do so despite the significant drop in standard which I'm sure Darren Gilbert can testify himself having dominated the division himself for so many years when it was actually competitive. 

It should be the year Liskeard go up, but how long has that been said for, 5-6 years? They're just running out of teams now to finish above them. Good luck to them and Newquay - it would be great to see either in the Western League to join the other Cornish clubs (should they stay in it!).

Some interesting points.

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Does anybody else fail to see the attraction of St Austell/Blazey away to Ilfracombe on a wet dark Tuesday night in front of perhaps 60 fans?

Yes, players might be testing themselves at the next step but isn't there more to football?

On aside, I witnessed 2 young sides play a good local derby step 7 in front of nearly 200 on Tuesday night. I know where I'd rather be!

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1 hour ago, justanopinion said:

Does anybody else fail to see the attraction of St Austell/Blazey away to Ilfracombe on a wet dark Tuesday night in front of perhaps 60 fans?

Yes, players might be testing themselves at the next step but isn't there more to football?

On aside, I witnessed 2 young sides play a good local derby step 7 in front of nearly 200 on Tuesday night. I know where I'd rather be!

In that case, what is the point of competitive sport?  Maybe Falmouth could play Penryn every week just to make it easier for everyone.  Not sure how long the crowds would hang around for though.

Surely everyone has to strive to improve and play at the highest level sustainable.  If you can afford it, then go for it.

Wouldn't want to go back to the days of Falmouth/Blazey/Bodmin winning the league every year.  The players who have stepped up to Southern and Western League level will have improved themselves as a result, and hence the overall standard in the county will have improved also.

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4 hours ago, justanopinion said:

Does anybody else fail to see the attraction of St Austell/Blazey away to Ilfracombe on a wet dark Tuesday night in front of perhaps 60 fans?

Yes, players might be testing themselves at the next step but isn't there more to football?

On aside, I witnessed 2 young sides play a good local derby step 7 in front of nearly 200 on Tuesday night. I know where I'd rather be!

Spot on, totally agree 👍 

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4 hours ago, The Town Man said:

In that case, what is the point of competitive sport?  Maybe Falmouth could play Penryn every week just to make it easier for everyone.  Not sure how long the crowds would hang around for though.

Surely everyone has to strive to improve and play at the highest level sustainable.  If you can afford it, then go for it.

Wouldn't want to go back to the days of Falmouth/Blazey/Bodmin winning the league every year.  The players who have stepped up to Southern and Western League level will have improved themselves as a result, and hence the overall standard in the county will have improved also.

Well said Town Man, that is the sort of commitment required for players to be able to move up the pyramid and perhaps even be good enough to earn the sort of money that professional football is currently paying.
There have been too many past players countrywide who have not either the confidence or commitment to test their ability, but preferred to be the proverbial big fish in a small pond.
Plenty have had the ambition to play at a higher level, but only a small percentage of those players follow their dream once aware of what's needed to make their dream come true.
Look in to the background of most of the 1966 England World Cup players and you can see that progress is attainable to the level of your ability if that is your  committed desire
 

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6 hours ago, justanopinion said:

Does anybody else fail to see the attraction of St Austell/Blazey away to Ilfracombe on a wet dark Tuesday night in front of perhaps 60 fans?

Yes, players might be testing themselves at the next step but isn't there more to football?

On aside, I witnessed 2 young sides play a good local derby step 7 in front of nearly 200 on Tuesday night. I know where I'd rather be!

I agree to extent, but I want to see a good standard of football as well and the level of players in the Peninsula league is so poor in comparison to times gone by -it is a largely very young league which is what the old ECPL was back in the day, a breeding ground for the SWPL when players were ready to step up. I think we had the perfect combination not long ago of a really good, competitive South Western League, but obviously clubs being forced to take promotion (and arguably rightly so) has had a huge impact. I'd argue that the standard of the current Western League is not a huge amount of difference to the old SWPL when you had the likes of Buckland, Parkway, Tavistock in it (there probably is a larger number of better teams in the current WL as there always seemed to be a few teams who would get a few hidings in the SWPL, but that is the case in most leagues). 

I agree with Uwdis comments on other threads that it's not always pretty football but it's highly competitive whenever you watch a game. I've been to all the cornish clubs this season in the WL and it's always been a great game where it could go either way. The SWPL has now become a nice little place to go for older players without the time or ambition (there's a few at both Newquay and at Liskeard), because the same old clubs are still prepared to pay them more than they get in the WL and they don't have to travel, who can blame them! It's the clubs who need to wise up not the players! 

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17 hours ago, Crouchy85 said:

I agree to extent, but I want to see a good standard of football as well and the level of players in the Peninsula league is so poor in comparison to times gone by -it is a largely very young league which is what the old ECPL was back in the day, a breeding ground for the SWPL when players were ready to step up. I think we had the perfect combination not long ago of a really good, competitive South Western League, but obviously clubs being forced to take promotion (and arguably rightly so) has had a huge impact. I'd argue that the standard of the current Western League is not a huge amount of difference to the old SWPL when you had the likes of Buckland, Parkway, Tavistock in it (there probably is a larger number of better teams in the current WL as there always seemed to be a few teams who would get a few hidings in the SWPL, but that is the case in most leagues). 

I agree with Uwdis comments on other threads that it's not always pretty football but it's highly competitive whenever you watch a game. I've been to all the cornish clubs this season in the WL and it's always been a great game where it could go either way. The SWPL has now become a nice little place to go for older players without the time or ambition (there's a few at both Newquay and at Liskeard), because the same old clubs are still prepared to pay them more than they get in the WL and they don't have to travel, who can blame them! It's the clubs who need to wise up not the players! 

Surely if more teams in the county play at a higher level,the standard of football will improve and encourage more young players to get to that level. Some will not but will play at say peninsula or st. Pirans making that standard better.

This pyramid system is not going to change overnight it takes time. As I've said before Wendron as a club have built steadily over the years,both on and off the pitch. Now they are being talked about as one of the contenders. Everyone is expecting change to happen straight away, have some patience guys

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On 28/10/2024 at 08:12, JonColenzo said:

Cheers Rappo & Deacs, not going to say too much more than my sensible friends other than to say, absolutely nobody knows Myself or Jacks budgets at our clubs and that’s how it will stay. Have the doubters thought that the players mentioned could be playing at this level just to enjoy their football? It’s clearly not money orientated as they could all go and play at a much higher level if that  was the case.

Some seem to think they know more about Likeard than you Jon..... Weird beyond belief 

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On 28/10/2024 at 08:12, JonColenzo said:

Cheers Rappo & Deacs, not going to say too much more than my sensible friends other than to say, absolutely nobody knows Myself or Jacks budgets at our clubs and that’s how it will stay. Have the doubters thought that the players mentioned could be playing at this level just to enjoy their football? It’s clearly not money orientated as they could all go and play at a much higher level if that  was the case.

See you on Saturday JC. Looking forward to my first visit to Lux Park in (I think) 12 years, hope the pasties are as good as I remember them. 

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