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  • Dave Deacon changed the title to RESULTS - Wednesday 22 March 2023

WADEBRIDGE   (2)  4         Rowe 28”  63”  Smale 43”  Bowyer 86”

NEWQUAY   (2)    2             Rapsey 6”  9”

ATT    approx 150

 

Credit to Rog and everyone at the Bridgers for getting the game on after 2 pitch inspections during the afternoon. It obviously cut up with all the rain we’ve had but wasn’t wrecked at the end by any means, held up well. Credit to both sets of players also who produced some really good football despite the wet slippery heavy conditions with a difficult wind swirling around at times as well. Newquay piled forward from the kick off forcing a couple of early corners and an uncharacteristic slip of the ball by home keeper Rob Rosevear saw Jack Rapsey on the spot to prod home from a couple of yards. It got even better for the Peppermints a few minutes later when left wing back Bradley Leivers whipped in a low cross and the razor sharp Rapsey slid in front of the defender to drive the ball into the bottom corner from 10 yards for a dream return to the club he started the season with. Must admit even his old man got a bit excited on the car horn!! 😀🙄🚘
 

It was pretty much end to end entertaining stuff after that until the 28th minute when Jaffa Rowe on the edge of the area, turned sharply and struck a rasping shot into the corner for the best goal of the evening.  Jaffa then had a golden chance in the 41st minute when he found a cross deflected right into his path 5 yards out in the middle of the goal but hit it straight at young keeper Harry Salmon who spread himself well to save brilliantly. The Bridgers did get right back in it 2 minutes before the break though when Jacob Smale cut inside to find space just outside the area and he let fly with a shot on the greasy surface that kicked up in front of Salmon who got a strong hand to it but pushed it up into the roof of the net. Newquay were inches away from going in at the break ahead when after a foul on the edge of the area, free kick specialist Cam Turner curled one around the top of the wall and onto the top of the post with the last kick of the half. 
 

The game was fairly even and pretty much in the balance until the 63rd minute when a harmless looking shot from Rowe from a narrow angle slipped through Salmons legs at the near post to put the Bridgers ahead. Football can be a cruel game at times and this was one of those cases for young Harry who had a superb game at champions elect St.Blazey in Newquays draw there just a couple of midweeks ago and at 16 has got a bright future in front of him no doubt. The visitors had a penalty shout ten minutes from time when Leivers volleyed a cross against a defenders hand which probably would have been a harsh one at that stage of the game. The turnaround was completed in the 86th minute when the speedy Jack Bowyer fresh off the bench showed a clean pair of heels to Newquays tiring defence and still proved he’s a livewire striker with an excellent finish that looped over Salmon and just under the bar to put a bit of gloss on the scoreline.

Plenty of positives for both camps I would think, Newquay boss Craig and assistant Ash were without their youngsters Noah Teagle, Rhys Hooper and Connor Wharton tonight off to the Dallas cup next week along with Rowers lad Bradley if I’m not mistaken. Also classy defender Nick Boase injured, speedy striker Alex Cole who is away and they can compete with any of the top sides and are not far away themselves as they’ve proven time and again, hopefully this side and management will stay together next season, probably the difference tonight was players like Bowyer and Matt Lloyd coming off the bench for the hosts are as good as what’s on the pitch in the starting line up which is a nice luxury to have for Rower and you’ve got to feel for the Bridgers not being able to take that top 4 spot and progress up the leagues as Rower said in his excellent programme notes tonight (well worth a read).Game played in good spirits all evening and well reffed by Mr Will Annear but you can’t help thinking the players may have gone a bit flat around the top 6/7 clubs with the collapse of the merger.

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2 hours ago, BrummyBarry said:

Rappo the Newquay manager has called out the referees and his team on twitter and stated that he's going to give them a sub 60 mark and brandished them a shambles. Is that fair? 

ref was bad for both teams didn favour one team but he only human it happens . Bad performance from NQY. NQY played with no Ashton, Teagle, Hooper, Boase, Cole, Wharton all who are normal 11, poor from both teams gave away goals both keepers made bad mistakes but conditions were hard Ref made mistakes it wasn a true reflection of the two teams or the league this season. Wadebridge defanetly deserved to win. Not good from nqy be at mountwise Saturday hopeful 4 better and better westher

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Sorry Barry just seen this, bit hectic this evening!! Must admit the weather was dreadful 1st half so was sat in the car with the mrs until I ventured out for the 2nd half when the rain stopped! I’m gonna do an Arsene Wenger and say I didn’t see that tackle on the other side of the pitch if I’m completely honest until I saw Craig’s tweet. I’ve watched Bradley play for a fair few seasons now and he’s a talented lad that gets kicked an awful lot because of his skill down that left flank, and he just shrugs it off and gets up and on with it so I knew he must have been hurt for him to stay down, but I completely missed it on the night if I’m honest. Must admit it looked a very poor challenge to say the least. To answer your question honestly I was in line with a couple of pretty bad offside decisions in the 2nd half that the wife actually caught on camara and we checked back that were easily on, a bit frustrating but nobody’s perfect! Thought considering the conditions both teams did well, and I didn’t particularly notice the ref too much which is usuallly a good sign, funny how we all see a game and things differently!? Having said that I was sitting in my car for 45 minutes, which maybe doesn’t give a true picture of what’s going on down there on the pitch, bit of a fair weather fan in my old age these days!! 😁👍

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Thanks Rappo. I saw the tweet and personally felt sorry for the ref as its not a nice thing to do publicly calling them out in twitter because it opens them up for such alot of abuse. This tweet got turned on the newquay manager pretty much straight away so thankfully there wasn't much heat on the ref. People have to stop calling them out publicly at this level. They may have missed a challenge but where is the public damning if the person that actually made the tackle in question? Where is the public damning of the people that actually commit the actions that the refs get blamed for? I've not been in Cornwall long but the standard of football down here isn't as good as people think it is, particularly the player and coaches. If they came up to my neck of the woods and played a team at the same level there would be a reality check on the level they're playing at.how long does it take for a ref passing his training to reffing in the SWPL?does anyone know?

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2 hours ago, BrummyBarry said:

how long does it take for a ref passing his training to reffing in the SWPL?does anyone know?

These days a referee can go from qualifying to SWPL in approx 18months IF they're good enough and have the availability to do something like 75-80 games in that time period.

 

The referee on Wednesday night began refereeing back in 2019 I think and has progressed well. However, EVERY referee will make a mistake at some stage no matter how much experience they have.

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6 hours ago, RAPPO said:

Sorry Barry just seen this, bit hectic this evening!! Must admit the weather was dreadful 1st half so was sat in the car with the mrs until I ventured out for the 2nd half when the rain stopped! I’m gonna do an Arsene Wenger and say I didn’t see that tackle on the other side of the pitch if I’m completely honest until I saw Craig’s tweet. I’ve watched Bradley play for a fair few seasons now and he’s a talented lad that gets kicked an awful lot because of his skill down that left flank, and he just shrugs it off and gets up and on with it so I knew he must have been hurt for him to stay down, but I completely missed it on the night if I’m honest. Must admit it looked a very poor challenge to say the least. To answer your question honestly I was in line with a couple of pretty bad offside decisions in the 2nd half that the wife actually caught on camara and we checked back that were easily on, a bit frustrating but nobody’s perfect! Thought considering the conditions both teams did well, and I didn’t particularly notice the ref too much which is usuallly a good sign, funny how we all see a game and things differently!? Having said that I was sitting in my car for 45 minutes, which maybe doesn’t give a true picture of what’s going on down there on the pitch, bit of a fair weather fan in my old age these days!! 😁👍

Hi Rappo 

I was the lino. Can you send me the videos of the offsides please? I tried to send you a message on here but said you can't receive them. 

I remember all the offsides and none were contentious in my mind apart form the Tilston one where he received the ball in an onside position but had come back from an offside position the moment the ball was played. 

Always happy to be proven wrong so can you send me the evidence. Thanks. 

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If I was player or manager I would be very happy to see this referee officiate my game, as I’ve seen him 3 or 4 times and has always been consistent, you know where you are with him and he understands the game. I firmly believe that the standard of refereeing has improved over the years, but certain referees tend to receive more public criticism than others, which would set my alarm bells ringing if I was referee administrator, manager, player, spectator etc. No smoke without fire. The same applies to certain managers and players. 

Neil Hunnisett is the best referee I’ve seen locally for a number of years and he makes the odd mistake in a game, but players and managers respect him as he’s clearly likeable and approachable.

Football matches always divides opinion, and great to hear everyone’s opinion without the fear of being shouted down.

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58 minutes ago, FootballChat said:

These days a referee can go from qualifying to SWPL in approx 18months IF they're good enough and have the availability to do something like 75-80 games in that time period.

It was 4 season unless you were considered good enough for double bubble (6-4 in one season encompassing the same minimum number of games for 2 seasons). 

When a referee qualifies (passes the course and referees 5 games) if they are 16 years of age or over they start at level 7. Once a level 7 a referee can decide to apply for promotion. 

It used to be that a level 7 had to do 1 full season before being eligible to apply for promotion. And each promotion would take 1 season.

This has now changed along with the promotion scheme becoming more flexible based on the referee and to allow those referees who do have the promise to rise up the levels an opportunity to do so at a faster rate with mid season promotions now in place. 

Promotion requires the referee to referee a minimum number of games, be observed/matchday coached on a minimum number of games, achieve a minimum standard from said observations, attend in service training and pass a laws of the game examination. There is also a requirement to act as an assistant referee on a minimum number of games as well.

Final decisions on those that are promoted are taken by the referees department and the at level 5-4 the FA.

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Hi Tom, yeah not a problem, hopefully she’s still got them on her camera, she’s got one of those sport shutter lens things so you can virtually look back straight away at about 20 shots of it which I appreciate you haven’t got that luxury trying to make split second decisions. Think you’re correct, it was the one you mentioned against Harry so apologies if I’ve got that wrong if he had come back from offside and one against my lad which was about 2/3 yards on when the ball had just left the foot of Jared I think with the pass, the left back kept him onside. All about opinions, would like to say I’m not having a go, admire the difficult job you all do to be fair, impossible to get everything spot on with the pace of the games, I wouldn’t want the responsibility myself that’s for sure! 👍👏🏼

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14 minutes ago, RAPPO said:

Hi Tom, yeah not a problem, hopefully she’s still got them on her camera, she’s got one of those sport shutter lens things so you can virtually look back straight away at about 20 shots of it which I appreciate you haven’t got that luxury trying to make split second decisions. Think you’re correct, it was the one you mentioned against Harry so apologies if I’ve got that wrong if he had come back from offside and one against my lad which was about 2/3 yards on when the ball had just left the foot of Jared I think with the pass, the left back kept him onside. All about opinions, would like to say I’m not having a go, admire the difficult job you all do to be fair, impossible to get everything spot on with the pace of the games, I wouldn’t want the responsibility myself that’s for sure! 👍👏🏼

Lucky you had video evidence 🤣

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More of a blurry photo in that weather but it might do!!?  🤔 😁  Willing to buy Tom a pint 🍺 if me and Jacks best mate Ryan were wrong! 😁👍️ And he watches every Truro City game from the dugout so he’s used to Southern League Premier offsides! 😁

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Still images in most cases are misleading, especially if you haven't captured the exact moment the ball left the foot and are not exactly in line. I'll show you a really good example from the National League South.

Here is the image. The player in Black and White, bald head towards the back, is penalised for offside. In this image he clearly appears to be onside.

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Take 2:

from the opposite side and more in line and the view the AR had he appears to be in an offside position20230324_105843.jpg.6d0fcec246178bc22c3bde348ba188eb.jpg

My guess is this is tighter than both images portray because neither has the optimum angle.

Your photo might show an on or offside but it still may not be the correct decison.

Assistant referees are also tasked with managing the flash lag effect, which can make or break a tight on or offside decision. Not only do they have to give what they see, but also factor in the very high chance that what they see might not be perfect:

The flash lag illusion or flash-lag effect is a visual illusion wherein a flash and a moving object that appear in the same location are perceived to be displaced from one another.

 

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43 minutes ago, RAPPO said:

More of a blurry photo in that weather but it might do!!?  🤔 😁  Willing to buy Tom a pint 🍺 if me and Jacks best mate Ryan were wrong! 😁👍️ And he watches every Truro City game from the dugout so he’s used to Southern League Premier offsides! 😁

Be grateful that Tom was out there allowing the game to be played instead of trying to pick holes in his performance.

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1 hour ago, RAPPO said:

Hi Tom, yeah not a problem, hopefully she’s still got them on her camera, she’s got one of those sport shutter lens things so you can virtually look back straight away at about 20 shots of it which I appreciate you haven’t got that luxury trying to make split second decisions. Think you’re correct, it was the one you mentioned against Harry so apologies if I’ve got that wrong if he had come back from offside and one against my lad which was about 2/3 yards on when the ball had just left the foot of Jared I think with the pass, the left back kept him onside. All about opinions, would like to say I’m not having a go, admire the difficult job you all do to be fair, impossible to get everything spot on with the pace of the games, I wouldn’t want the responsibility myself that’s for sure! 👍👏🏼

Yeah I'm always happy to chat about any decisions. Always good to get an alternative view and know you're both having a go.  

I'm never too precious to discuss any decisions. Obviously fouls ate subjective but offside isn't. So if I've got one wrong I'd like to see it. 

It's especially difficult with the pace of some of the players. I was never quick enough to keep up when I played so I've got no hope now 🤣🤣

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This thread is all that is wrong with Cornish Football at the moment.

We are losing more and more referees every week at the moment and I think SWPL clubs better start training up someone to do a club line as it won’t be long (probably next season) before that becomes a stark reality!

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I like that fact that you all think the swpl is top class football. I’ve watched better Junior football this season. It’s laughable you all think is so good. There are too many players, not even good enough to be Waterboy let alone be out on that pitch.!! 
Most of these players need to be playing  subs not being paid! 

You all need to stop blowing smoke up the players ass and accept that at best this is the old Falmouth and Helston Div1!! Yes the 2/3 are better than this but come on! 

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3 minutes ago, Facts said:

I like that fact that you all think the swpl is top class football. I’ve watched better Junior football this season. It’s laughable you all think is so good. There are too many players, not even good enough to be Waterboy let alone be out on that pitch.!! 
Most of these players need to be playing  subs not being paid! 

You all need to stop blowing smoke up the players ass and accept that at best this is the old Falmouth and Helston Div1!! Yes the 2/3 are better than this but come on! 

Unfortunately, a lot of junior players are not playing at the standard they should be for one reason or another ie want to play with there mates, family/work commitments, travelling timed to games and training, no pressure. Their decision, but obviously they are unable to play at the highest level they can on a regular basis, so they do not push out the lesser players. To improve the standard of the SWPL, more junior players need to test themselves at this level if they can, rather than take the easier option. 

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Probably what’s even worse is the usual few people trying to turn an adult conversation about a couple of decisions at a local football match with no malice to anyone involved on a local football forum about local football into something a bit needlessly aggressive!! Or a wind up for a few that seem to get their sad kick out of trying to cause an argument. It’s a football forum where you talk about the game? Is that not what it’s here for? Think that’s why numbers have dwindled on here a bit over the years, no need to make a mountain out of a molehill. I’m sure 95% of us appreciate that without the refs and Lino’s we wouldn’t have a game and it’s a job 99% of us wouldn’t want to do with some of the grief they receive, I’m all for sticking up and supporting officials but it’s a bit over the top sometimes, would even think they would feel embarrassed by it at times 😳🤔

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No problem at all Barry, was a fair question mate. It’s a bit of a recurring theme on here unfortunately which I know have put quite a few people off the forum over the last couple years or so along with the wind up merchants. A little difference of opinion is jumped straight on as you say!! 😒🙄. I had one red card (which was deserved) and 5 yellows in about 45 years and about 1500 games of football and always admired and got on well with most of the officials and what they do, not an easy job as we all know! If one of our officials has a personal comment about them or is abused in any way I think we should all support them without doubt, but on here even a little offside, sin bin or card opinion is jumped on as if you’ve broke in the refs house and stole all his whistles! I’m friends with plenty of refs and Lino’s and most of the lads I know got quite thick skins and broad shoulders which you probably need with some of the rubbish they get shouted at them sometimes!

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I think that people are just worried now rappo because the shortage is starting to affect the highest of leagues including saint piran. I don't know who Dave is but he clearly thinks it's that bad that club linos will be needed in peninsular next season so it's got to be bad. I think that it is very fair and acceptable to talk about decisions on here and public forums but refs don't come on and defend themselves or give their side to it. But I've seen some absolutely horrible comments on twitter about some referees which no-one deserves. They are the easy targets when it comes to football and are humans just doing their hobby so I personally disagree with any form of personal negativity towards them because it is personal.if a team lose noone gets publicly ousted alothough striker may have missed two one on ones and keeper parried a ball he should have caught etc but they don't get dragged through coals on social media.i just think that we have to look after our refs.mainly because I've seen games down here reffed by volunteers an it's not pretty for anyone when it's clear they aren't sure of the rules but they're the only ones that do it.

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Hi Tom, this was the one i was moaning about mate! See the defender appealing in the middle as my lad is trying to let the ball run through but i thought the left back kept him a couple yards on? But as someone said angles are deceiving. I was probably more interested than usual cos he was on a hat-trick against his old team at 3-2 down! He still had 30 yards to run and a great keeper to beat anyway so who knows!? Anyway keep up the great work you all do and enjoy your game this weekend 👍IMG-20230324-WA0014.thumb.jpg.e7eff0adc393a88816d845f4aac7c370.jpg

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10 minutes ago, RAPPO said:

Hi Tom, this was the one i was moaning about mate! See the defender appealing in the middle as my lad is trying to let the ball run through but i thought the left back kept him a couple yards on? But as someone said angles are deceiving. I was probably more interested than usual cos he was on a hat-trick against his old team at 3-2 down! He still had 30 yards to run and a great keeper to beat anyway so who knows!? Anyway keep up the great work you all do and enjoy your game this weekend 👍IMG-20230324-WA0014.thumb.jpg.e7eff0adc393a88816d845f4aac7c370.jpg

Unless the picture was taken as the ball was played this proves nothing?

 

What is being jumped on is that I don’t ever really see players being called out as much as officials. No one calling out Jaffa for committing the challenge for example? It needs to work both ways if it’s going to happen. But as others have said, we have a shortage and looking at an email sent today, a lot of officials are considering either leaving the game or reducing their availability because of what is said on social media and the forum.

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Don’t we also have a shortage of players as well?

31 minutes ago, RAPPO said:

Hi Tom, this was the one i was moaning about mate! See the defender appealing in the middle as my lad is trying to let the ball run through but i thought the left back kept him a couple yards on? But as someone said angles are deceiving. I was probably more interested than usual cos he was on a hat-trick against his old team at 3-2 down! He still had 30 yards to run and a great keeper to beat anyway so who knows!? Anyway keep up the great work you all do and enjoy your game this weekend 👍IMG-20230324-WA0014.thumb.jpg.e7eff0adc393a88816d845f4aac7c370.jpg

Sorry Rappo but all this really confirms is that a still photo is just as bad as a VAR decision being made from a slow motion replay! 

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9 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said:

Don’t we also have a shortage of players as well?

Sorry Rappo but all this really confirms is that a still photo is just as bad as a VAR decision being made from a slow motion replay! 

The shortage of players is not due to them being abused though Is it and its unavoidable. Referees however is completely avoidable and the warning signs have been clear for all to see for a while. You need to comit yourself to watching a few Grassroots games Dave so you can properly understand the impact at the lowest levels as I've seen it from all levels from the top to bottom and its so bad 

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Don’t really matter anyway does it Deacs, Tom was the man with the flag and if he says it’s offside it’s offside. I’m just a biased supporter at the end of the day so I’m happy to get on with my life from this moment on! 😀👍. And seriously well done to all our refs and Lino’s who want to enjoy the game as much as the players, coaches, supporters etc at the weekend! 👏🏼👍️ My dear old mum used to say, if you haven’t got anything good to say about somebody, don’t say it!! Perhaps we should all abide by that? 

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When appointing referees give them to the clubs with the best disciplinary records. If there aren’t enough officials to go round then the clubs with the worst don’t get any. There must be some way to award points etc. 

If we really want to protect our officials and our game then let’s start removing the main culprits. 
 

If there are certain players or managers/coaches that offend then maybe clubs won’t sign them or insist on them following a code of conduct or they’ll cost their team points. 
 

I don’t know, there’s probably reasons why you can’t do this but there must be more reasons why you can? 

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54 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said:

You need to comit yourself to watching a few Grassroots games Dave so you can properly understand the impact at the lowest levels as I've seen it from all levels from the top to bottom and its so bad 

Yes I really should. Of course there starts another debate as to what level is considered grassroots? 

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10 minutes ago, RAPPO said:

Don’t really matter anyway does it Deacs, Tom was the man with the flag and if he says it’s offside it’s offside. I’m just a biased supporter at the end of the day so I’m happy to get on with my life from this moment on! 😀👍. And seriously well done to all our refs and Lino’s who want to enjoy the game as much as the players, coaches, supporters etc at the weekend! 👏🏼👍️ My dear old mum used to say, if you haven’t got anything good to say about somebody, don’t say it!! Perhaps we should all abide by that? 

Yes you're bang on Rappo. Unfortunately with specific regard to this forum, very few people seem to have anything good to say about anything!

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Some understand the rules of the game and some don't, unfortunately for the game of football, the ones who need to update their knowledge are the players and supporters who will regularly expect the referee to make perfect decisions all match long.
If players were to follow that mantra, we wouldn't need referees.
As we saw with the Fulham team, a professional players actions were defended by their manager, an attitude that will do football as a whole no favours and merely encourages all levels of football both on and off the field to follow suit.
 

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7 minutes ago, Darin Morse said:

I have yet to hear a convincing argument against just abolishing offside altogether.

Well for one, play would be spread out from box to box with no offside. You’d end up with everyone all over the place playing long balls with very little skill on show. Defending would be very difficult as you couldn’t compress the play, I imagine it would be like Aussie rules without picking the ball up. 
When that day comes defenders might as well find another game to play. I’ll be watching tennis instead (and I bloody detest tennis!)

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24 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said:

@Dave Deacongrassroots and I mean real grassroots. Go and watch storm or go and watch Constantine reserves. Go and watch a team literally scaring to get a team together every week with almost no facilities and being refereed by volunteers. If you love football like I do the. You will realise that this is where the magic of football exists 

Yeah I must do so!

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