bighairydave Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, St Darren said: Plus expenses as well. It probably works out at around £10 an hour. Reffing the game and then the write up afterwards. Plus expenses? Get with the show pal, it’s a flat fee now so talking out of your arse now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, St Darren said: Plus expenses as well. It probably works out at around £10 an hour. Reffing the game and then the write up afterwards. So under the national minimum wage Fantastic. 9 minutes ago, St Darren said: Plus expenses as well. It probably works out at around £10 an hour. Reffing the game and then the write up afterwards. So under the national minimum wage Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, BrummyBarry said: So under the national minimum wage Fantastic. So under the national minimum wage Fantastic. Well, currently the national minimum wage is £9.50 an hour. Most employees will have 20% tax taken off this as well! No one is forcing a referee to do the job. The majority do it because they enjoy it, then picking up a bit of cash for doing something they enjoy is alright isn't it? Funnily enough the better referees are the ones who do it with a smile on their face and interact with players on a decent level rather then dictating. cornish leg end and Asterix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, St Darren said: Well, currently the national minimum wage is £9.50 an hour. Most employees will have 20% tax taken off this as well! No one is forcing a referee to do the job. The majority do it because they enjoy it, then picking up a bit of cash for doing something they enjoy is alright isn't it? Funnily enough the better referees are the ones who do it with a smile on their face and interact with players on a decent level rather then dictating. I was 50p out I wouldn't do it for that and as dave says it's not just turn up and ref a game they also have the travel included in that £30 their kit and equipment their own refreshments etc and then he said about training events so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually lose money at the end of the season and all that is whilst not spending time with friends or family or not working their usual job cornish leg end 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, St Darren said: Well, currently the national minimum wage is £9.50 an hour. Most employees will have 20% tax taken off this as well! No one is forcing a referee to do the job. The majority do it because they enjoy it, then picking up a bit of cash for doing something they enjoy is alright isn't it? Funnily enough the better referees are the ones who do it with a smile on their face and interact with players on a decent level rather then dictating. This is the point. Most aren’t enjoying it, because they get abuse during the game (which yes they can deal with but still doesn’t make it pleasant or enjoyable) and then this continues afterwards. Saying the have a choose is just brushing the issue under the carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, BrummyBarry said: I was 50p out I wouldn't do it for that and as dave says it's not just turn up and ref a game they also have the travel included in that £30 their kit and equipment their own refreshments etc and then he said about training events so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually lose money at the end of the season and all that is whilst not spending time with friends or family or not working their usual job Apologies, I thought it was £30 fee plus mileage. As I said, they choose to do it, not forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, St Darren said: Apologies, I thought it was £30 fee plus mileage. As I said, they choose to do it, not forced. So because they choose we can abuse them as much as we want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, bighairydave said: This is the point. Most aren’t enjoying it, because they get abuse during the game (which yes they can deal with but still doesn’t make it pleasant or enjoyable) and then this continues afterwards. Saying the have a choose is just brushing the issue under the carpet. Don't do it then. No one is forcing a referee to ref. Critism is something that will happen. As I've said before though, 'abuse' is something I don't condone. Just now, bighairydave said: So because they choose we can abuse them as much as we want? Sorry, did I say that?? Criticism is different than abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, St Darren said: Don't do it then. No one is forcing a referee to ref. Critism is something that will happen. As I've said before though, 'abuse' is something I don't condone. But that is happening week after week and then following them home as happened at the beginning of this thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 I think this needs a line drawn under it and I think the way to do that is to say if referees are continually being criticized on here at such a critical time for how many we have we are just going to alienate them and lose so many more. It's not hard to keep opinions to ourselves if we haven't got anything positive to say and as dave has said there is a report procedure in place. As a spectator I often think what the hell when a ref makes a mess of a situation but then I remember that this is the bottom of the pile in terms of standard of football.they have to start somewhere and they will make mistakes but I've never seen a ref make more mistakes than strikers goalies and defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterix Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Foul Throw 3 said: Some of these comments are a joke! Pick up the whistle yourselves if you’re so good and know every single law! and before anyone says it, yes I have tried it myself. Gave it up cos it wasn’t worth the time, money or abuse! Only role in football more difficult than managing is being a referee. And I’ve done both. I hope too eventually having played many years, I hope that I can continue to contribute once I have the time. I think my points are being misconstrued. I don’t think abuse or being ridiculed is acceptable at any point. What I’m saying is, we have a point system to use, if we really think the decisions are that poor. My main objective was I can see why some officials do get a hard time because of how they come across or treat players… But sadly we can’t ever cut out criticism of any shape or form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 15 hours ago, BrummyBarry said: Thats very well put Peggy and Im led to believe that your league is one that is affected alot by the shortage do you think that the criticism these junior amateur brand new referees is contributing to it There have been cases already this season of new referees (with their training funded by the Leagues across Cornwall) ceasing to continue just a few matches into their career. So the answer is clearly yes. However it is not limited to new referees. Every season, there are more refs leaving the game than coming in to it. That is despite the enormous efforts of several Leagues, the FA and the Referees officials to try and recruit more officials. Trelawny is affected probably more so than others as the lowest ranked League in West Cornwall, so other Leagues take precedence. However I don't feel this is an issue affecting our League, more one that is hurting all Grassroots football in the county and beyond. Asterix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturday_Social Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 Anyone no when the draw for the next round is? Mevagissey look like the team to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 The draw for the 4th Round is at top of thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider 11 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 The results show that St Merryn lost 3-2 to Falmouth United in the 3rd round? Wondering why St Merryn are in Round 4? Some really good games there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roche Raider Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 21/11/2022 at 21:26, St Darren said: Just stating a fact that a referee gets paid for doing the job. Some referees can make a decent bit of money, Saturday, Sunday, midweek, 6 aside leagues. Imagine bringing tax into grassroots football officiating. What's next, you gonna ask for audits and levies on the scratchcard in the pint glass after the game? 😅🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roche Raider said: Imagine bringing tax into grassroots football officiating. What's next, you gonna ask for audits and levies on the scratchcard in the pint glass after the game? 😅🤦♂️ It's earnings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer Follower Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Seasider 11 said: The results show that St Merryn lost 3-2 to Falmouth United in the 3rd round? Wondering why St Merryn are in Round 4? Some really good games there! CCFA Website shows Falmouth United 1 St.Merryn 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Seasider 11 said: The results show that St Merryn lost 3-2 to Falmouth United in the 3rd round? Wondering why St Merryn are in Round 4? Some really good games there! I've corrected it 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 26th November 2022 3rd Round 14:00 Bodmin Town 2nds v Mount Ambrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winston Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 I've seen way to many referees on a power trip not letting you talk to them at all. Preferring to book players for dissent and not worrying about dangerous tackles. unpaid amateur Players can get criticised then so can referees who get a bit of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 24/11/2022 at 10:42, Dave Deacon said: 26th November 2022 3rd Round 14:00 Bodmin Town 2nds v Mount Ambrose No surprise this match was postponed and will now be played on Saturday 3rd December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 4 hours ago, winston said: I've seen way to many referees on a power trip not letting you talk to them at all. Preferring to book players for dissent and not worrying about dangerous tackles. unpaid amateur Players can get criticised then so can referees who get a bit of money. Wow! 1. Your 'perceived' power trip might just be 1 person trying to control 22 players and prevent a game escalating out of control. Maybe some refs don't let players talk to them because they have had a few insults hurled at them from either 50yds or in their face and treat confrontation with the same manner of respect that is being afforded to them and the only way to communicate is to be direct? 2. When do you ever see players on this forum get criticised to the level that is directed at officials on here? I would love to see an honest match report although these days (stand fast @Asterix) they are few and far between where players from teams who have had not one of their better games are singled out by the author and criticised on their performance, maybe to the level of forensic analysis that is afforded to officials. it would undoubtedly make interesting reading. Imagine every match report where players who were not good enough in defence or blamed for a goal or foul that led to a penalty etc were chastised, would be absolute indignation and confrontation in the changing rooms within weeks! :) Asterix, MattP, minns89 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterix Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 27/11/2022 at 14:46, Pitty said: Wow! 1. Your 'perceived' power trip might just be 1 person trying to control 22 players and prevent a game escalating out of control. Maybe some refs don't let players talk to them because they have had a few insults hurled at them from either 50yds or in their face and treat confrontation with the same manner of respect that is being afforded to them and the only way to communicate is to be direct? 2. When do you ever see players on this forum get criticised to the level that is directed at officials on here? I would love to see an honest match report although these days (stand fast @Asterix) they are few and far between where players from teams who have had not one of their better games are singled out by the author and criticised on their performance, maybe to the level of forensic analysis that is afforded to officials. it would undoubtedly make interesting reading. Imagine every match report where players who were not good enough in defence or blamed for a goal or foul that led to a penalty etc were chastised, would be absolute indignation and confrontation in the changing rooms within weeks! I don’t know how I am supposed to take that @Pitty lol 😂 wether my match reports aren’t honest enough? Or they’re good? Haha 😂 I think personally as said before it’s a horrid task to try and be the perfect referee, I think it’s always a burden! I think as players we’ve all had our grievances 😂 with referees, you too Pitty 🤔😉 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 01/12/2022 at 10:41, Asterix said: I don’t know how I am supposed to take that @Pitty lol 😂 wether my match reports aren’t honest enough? Or they’re good? Haha 😂 I think personally as said before it’s a horrid task to try and be the perfect referee, I think it’s always a burden! I think as players we’ve all had our grievances 😂 with referees, you too Pitty 🤔😉 😂 It was a compliment that you do them because not many apart from you and @RAPPO take the time to do them! A lot of sides can't even be arsed to post the result! I have had to dial back my sarcastic tongue in cheek ones because a) I'm away and b) i would be sent to the naughty step kevin richards and Asterix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2023 Fixtures for 14th January at top of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 Not at the game but been told Holmans through to the QF of Junior Cup after a tough match at St Keverne 1-1 AET then winning 4-3 on penalties 🙌🍾🎉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 Troon 2-0 Grampound Grampound were far from their best in the first half and Troon deservedly went in at the break at 2-0. We were better second half and missed 2 or 3 reasonably good chances to get back in the game but over 90 minutes the home side deserved their win. It's been interesting playing teams at the top of both the Duchy Premier and Trelawny Premier leagues in 2 of our 3 cup games this season, beating one and losing today. Thecupfootballblogger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, AJW said: Troon 2-0 Grampound Grampound were far from their best in the first half and Troon deservedly went in at the break at 2-0. We were better second half and missed 2 or 3 reasonably good chances to get back in the game but over 90 minutes the home side deserved their win. It's been interesting playing teams at the top of both the Duchy Premier and Trelawny Premier leagues in 2 of our 3 cup games this season, beating one and losing today. Not exactly got a squad of players that are bottom league of duchy level though some played senior last year. So you should be competing with the prem league sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider 11 Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Gorran Vs Bude Town Reserves OFF due to half a waterlogged pitch. Game to be reversed and played at Bude Town next Saturday the 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 Good day for the West section clubs with 6 out of last 8 teams left in Competition Dropship ,Falmouth D C ,Holmans, Ludgvan, Troon and West Cornwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAL99 Posted January 24, 2023 Report Share Posted January 24, 2023 Last 16 Result- Falmouth DC 5 - 1 Mevagiseey Dominated Performance putting 5 pass the duchy prem side , which could have been easily more from the Trelawny Division 2 side. Goalscorer’s Jack Blakeston x2 Brodie Kemp x1 Fraser Harris x1 Callum Pentecost x1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider 11 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Bude Town Reserves 3 - Gorran 1 - Cornwall Junior Cup Last 16 A game of two halves. The first half, Bude dominated and played some lovely free-flowing football taking an early lead through a Ryan Leverton header who got injured in the process and had to go off. Bude continued to control the game and doubled their lead with a lovely free kick floated in by Steve Box which was volleyed in at the far post by skipper James Wheeler. Gorran came at Bude in the second half, pressed and moved the ball quicker and were rewarded with a close range finish from a corner. They continued to test Bude with many corners and set pieces but Bude stayed resolute, dug deep and battled hard and scored the third at the death from young winger Harrison Swatton. A really competitive game which would have been great to watch for a neutral, Bude delighted to beat a strong team from the Duchy Premier League and are looking forward to the next test in the quarter finals. Thecupfootballblogger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 Back to refs fees. For the new St Piran League refs fees (proposed) will be £45, assistants £30. ALL Premier and Div one sides to charge £3 and £2 (concessions). All other sides in League can charge people up to the same amounts if they want. With the lower Div sides charging that will help cash flow to pay refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 Junior Cup QF St Breward 3-2 Holmans Not at the game but heard Holmans 1-2 up with 8 min to go but fair play to St Breward to score 2 goals and secure a place in the Semi Final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 8 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Back to refs fees. For the new St Piran League refs fees (proposed) will be £45, assistants £30. ALL Premier and Div one sides to charge £3 and £2 (concessions). All other sides in League can charge people up to the same amounts if they want. With the lower Div sides charging that will help cash flow to pay refs. That’s the current fee and shouldn’t be changed due to the new league, not without consulting both the clubs and the referees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 Junior Cup Results Dropship 1-0 Ludgvan Falmouth DC 4-3 Troon St Breward 3-2 Holmans West Cornwall 2-1 Bude Res Interesting semi final draw to come ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted February 11, 2023 Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 11 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Back to refs fees. For the new St Piran League refs fees (proposed) will be £45, assistants £30. ALL Premier and Div one sides to charge £3 and £2 (concessions). All other sides in League can charge people up to the same amounts if they want. With the lower Div sides charging that will help cash flow to pay refs. Having been an assistant until last season would still have done it for nothing. Clubs at this level are struggling as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Postman Pat said: Having been an assistant until last season would still have done it for nothing. Clubs at this level are struggling as it is. That's a lot of money the clubs have to find! I always assumed they had club linos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish leg end Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: That's a lot of money the clubs have to find! I always assumed they had club linos! No wonder clubs are folding with fees like that Dave. Only means players have to pay more subs each week which could result in players not playing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezza101 Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 Dropship v Ludgvan Junior Cup Qtr Final Tommy Matthews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: That's a lot of money the clubs have to find! I always assumed they had club linos! They do. But the fee is there for cup semis/finals, etc. which are usually hosted by the league who pay out of the gate instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 21 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Back to refs fees. For the new St Piran League refs fees (proposed) will be £45, assistants £30. ALL Premier and Div one sides to charge £3 and £2 (concessions). All other sides in League can charge people up to the same amounts if they want. With the lower Div sides charging that will help cash flow to pay refs. 13 hours ago, bighairydave said: That’s the current fee and shouldn’t be changed due to the new league, not without consulting both the clubs and the referees. 10 hours ago, Postman Pat said: Having been an assistant until last season would still have done it for nothing. Clubs at this level are struggling as it is. 8 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: That's a lot of money the clubs have to find! I always assumed they had club linos! 2 hours ago, cornish leg end said: No wonder clubs are folding with fees like that Dave. Only means players have to pay more subs each week which could result in players not playing anymore. The referee fees for the different levels of the St Piran league next season have yet to be set but are unlikely to be much different to what clubs pay now. Draft rules have been circulated to the reps on the merger committee for comment and only one response has been received so far. The fees and fines vary significantly across the 5 current leagues so there will inevitable be some changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, bighairydave said: They do. But the fee is there for cup semis/finals, etc. which are usually hosted by the league who pay out of the gate instead. Ah! So what would a st piran club have to pay for match officials at a league game currently then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Ah! So what would a st piran club have to pay for match officials at a league game currently then? For the referee it's a £45 flat fee which includes travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 36 minutes ago, Steve Carpenter said: For the referee it's a £45 flat fee which includes travel. People that moan about the fees being too much are the same people that say they could never be a ref cornish leg end 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, Steve Carpenter said: For the referee it's a £45 flat fee which includes travel. And it’s club linesmen presumably? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 45 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: And it’s club linesmen presumably? Yes it is Dave. That may well be the case for a number of Step 6 games next season as well. The league covers the costs for the teams of officials that do the cup semi's and final and the east/west play off game. Anyway, back on topic, who's the favourite out of that group of JC semi-finalists? Difficult to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted February 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, Cornishman1 said: Lower league teams paying players, So be it if someone is mad enough to do so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummyBarry Posted February 12, 2023 Report Share Posted February 12, 2023 Is that fact or an assumption just because a teams doing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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