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Applications to join Premier Division

The deadline for applying to join the Premier Division passed on Saturday (1st March) we can announce that the following clubs have applied to be promoted :

Exmouth Town

Newton Abbot

Stoke Gabriel

Vospers Oak Villa

Wadebridge Town

Clubs will be visited in early April to check grounds and must finish in 1st or 2nd positions in their Divisions.

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Guest Sport Lover

With exclusion of the two potential winners of the West and East division not applying to join the premier league.

Phil, is the pyramid systen working?

How many years can they stay in their respective leagues?

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I would suggest that winners of those divisions should have no option but to take promotion.

Winning Premier is a slightly different matter, though ultimately that should also ha

:blink: Surely that will only happen when all have the respective 'stadiums' - difficult for those with good players who win the leagues and then no availablefinance for the grounds. :(

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The pyramid system works on the prinicple of "1st or 2nd" that applies in the East Cornwall for clubs like Godolphin & Sticker who have applied for promotion, its the same for Wadebridge and Vospers in Div 1 West and its the same in the Premier for Plymouth Parkway and a step ahead the same for Truro City to get into the Southern League.

The fact remains that 2 clubs, 1 from each division, could well achieve promotion to the Premier division. If they don't finish in the top 2 well thats life and they can try again next season.

In the last 10 years only Truro, Willand & Saltash (who came back down) had gone up from Step 7 to Step 6, (Truro and Willand went onto Step 5) and now we have the situation where 17 clubs went from Step 7 to Step 6 last summer and another 5 clubs have applied for this summer. I say the pyramid is working very well !

Their are ground differences between Div 1 East & West which is at Step 7 and the "first rung" on the ladder, here facilities don't have to be of a great standard, at Step 6 their are 2 major changes, a seated stand and floodlights - both projects that require planning permission and funding. At step 5 the stand has to have double the capacity, as Truro are finding out the rules at Step 4 are much more strict in terms of health & safety issues and they are spending a lot of money for just 1 steps movement.

Of the clubs that have not applied some will have looked at it now 75% through the season and said "we are not going to finish high enough", some are going to have said "we don't have the ground standards or the planning permission to reach the standards at present" and some are going to make their own judgements based on their personal circumstances.

It does dissappoint me that not all the leading contenders have applied but we can't worry about that, we know in reality any re-structure was going to suit some more than others.

What we can be rightly proud of is creating a pyramid that has generated 10 applications from the feeder leagues below, 5 applications to move from Step 7 to step 6, 1 application from Step 6 to Step 5 and a reasonable assumption that some promotion & relegation will occur.

When did the old system ever deliver that ?

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I would like to congratulate the teams that have applied for promotion to the Premier League and hope a couple of you finish in the required positions and have the right facilities to gain promotion. I know we at Witheridge love playing in the Premier League and it has been great to make the trips across the border where we have recieved the best of welcomes.

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Guest Sport Lover

Thanks for the reply Phil could you answer the other question as well please.

How many years can they stay in their respective leagues? (not take promotion)

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Guest h8ymo

SL, looks like PH is taking time off, very disappointing and on a sunday afternoon Philllip, tut, tut.

The F.A. will never be in a position to force Leagues to force clubs to take promotion. It would be morally wrong for that to happen and every club has their reasons why they don't wish to move up, we all have to respect and ultimately accept that.

I personally think the serious problem will arise if clubs continually finish in the top two places and don't take the step up. For example if team A and team B finished one and two and team C continually finished in third and wanted promotion and this happened for a couple of seasons, resentment and annoyance would then creep in from team C and others.

These last five weeks has seen how the pyramid is meant to work and it adds the extra spice at the bottom of all three divisions, as no one can rest on their laurels and it will be an exciting end to the campaign that will surely go right to the wire.

Mark Hayman

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I would suggest that winners of those divisions should have no option but to take promotion.

Winning Premier is a slightly different matter, though ultimately that should also happen.

So are you saying that with hindsight St Blazey should have set their sights higher just a few seasons ago when they won the SWL season after season?

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Guest keano

I think if teams winthe east or west div and dont take promotion thats fine, but they shouldnt be given the prize money for winning the league

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I think if teams winthe east or west div and dont take promotion thats fine, but they shouldnt be given the prize money for winning the league

thats quite a good point how much do they get for winning the league surely the funds would go some way towards the increased costs of travelling having said that as I am unsure of the amount you recieve for winning the league it would depend on that if it would indeed help at all.

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Division 1 West Champions 1,500

so a club could win the league refuse promotion and still cash in , keep building andtaking the money yer in year out and continuing to cash in .

hardly fair is it . fine if they dont want promotion but they canhave it all , the prize money should not be given if the champions of east or west refuse promotion

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Guest Sport Lover

Phil is there a ruling where if the winners of the league who refuse promotion do not get the prize money?

Was the intention of the prize money from the sponsors a helping hand for teams to take promotion?

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Guest Phil H

Some Interesting thoughts expressed here, which I had not previously considered, but may give further thought to.

Sponsorship payments are agreed between the Board of the league and the sponsors and are not covered in the rules as such as only with the money coming in can we then pay it out.

The proposal to form the league stated that 70% of sponsorship should go back directly in payments to clubs but the actual split of who wins what for winning what is not detailed in the regulations.

Phil H

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Guest keano

well i think if teams refuse to take promotion they shouldnever be given prize money !!!

it would perhaps encorrage teams to take the promotion!!!

if they dont then the money could be put towards a worthwhile cause or someone who deserves it andisnt just goingto take it and then stick 2 fingers up to the league by making amockery of the promotion/relegation system

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This would all then become extremely complicated if money was not paid to a club who refused promotion. One big proviso would be that it would have to have ALL the ground facilities in place. We would then get into an argument that they were 'one toilet' short, does that count, because for £100 they could fix it. Imagine the detailed rules that would have to be in - another noble cause, but extremely difficult to legislate for. Would the money go to the next place who cannot be promoted anyway. or save it up for payment next year. This could mean that with 'devious' people on committees that prize money could be held over for years, making interest for the league. A mine field chaps.

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Guest keano

distant

im only talking about clubs who have the everything in place to go up but refuse it . cough porthleven cough

and imonly talking about east and west divs by the way .

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Guest keano

so what ?????we better not up set these billy big timers had we??

its unfair that teams take the prize money and then refuse the promotion as well .

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I think you should give all the prize money available for each of the East and West to whoever finishes first or second and takes the promotion offered.

But then, I would say that as my club WANT to get promoted and will definitely finish either first or second if we can secure a further 11 points out of a possible 33.

UP THE BRIDGERS!

Oh, and by the way Mr Cadmore, are you suggesting on another thread that players and management from Plymouth cost more than local players? :thumbsup: :smiley20:

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Guest Dermot

Surely the point of playing in League football is to finish as high as you can,then if you earn promotion you go up to a higher division. :clapper:

Then you strenghten and aim to finish as high as you can again and so on and so forth. :thumbsup:

Or is that just too simple ? :unsure:

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Oh, and by the way Mr Cadmore, are you suggesting on another thread that players and management from Plymouth cost more than local players?

No that was never mentioned Stuart - all that was mentioned by a Wadebrige supporter was, that 'all Wadebridge players were local lads' -I was merely pointing out that there is an influx of Plymouth Staff - quality of course. :yahoo:

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