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Fenman - I wonder to what extent the fact that the referees know they have VAR as a back up, relaxes them a bit, perhaps thinking 'well if I miss something VAR will reveal it and correct the situation

Looking at it from another perspective. I think that these Referees are under the spotlight a lot more now because of var, dammed if they do dammed if they don’t. And as for waiting to put the flag up

We all see things differently depending on our position.  We are not standing where the referee is, so we can't really comment on the decision a referee gives...only our own opinion depending whe

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4 hours ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

Don’t all these opinions show that we need more technology to aid hard pressed referees, not less. It just has to work! Is that too much to ask?

(I eagerly anticipate a “yes” from someone!)

The biggest question is how can they be trained? 

Consistency is the biggest thing that's required, rather than their  own interpretation of sonething. 

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22 hours ago, St Darren said:

Now they want players to clap the referees onto the pitch!!! 

Hahaha, have you ever heard such rubbish. I'm going to clap the postman next week for doing his job and getting the right letters delivered to my house. 

Is that for real or just a joke Darren. 

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4 minutes ago, St Darren said:

Another week goes, anther farcical decision from a referee 

No surprise that it was Lee Mason, another who has a catalogue of mistakes, but he continues to referee and doesn't have to answer to anyone 

It’s the same ones though. There are a few who are just quietly going about there business.

 

To miss two penalties Brighton can only blame themselves for losing though.

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2 hours ago, Dave Deacon said:

Have to go along with Lewis Dunk in agreeing that it’s a shame Lee Mason wasn’t the one being interviewed! It might have helped us understand what was going on!  

Agree Dave. At the time Lee Mason looked bemused, he didn't seem to know whether he'd blown already or not. Perhaps his time of refereeing should come to an end. I looked at his face and thought 'oh dear, he looks as if he's not with us'. 

I think he's been ok in the past (Darren won't agree) - but, maybe he should carefully consider his future as a ref. 

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50 minutes ago, Keith B said:

Agree Dave. At the time Lee Mason looked bemused, he didn't seem to know whether he'd blown already or not. Perhaps his time of refereeing should come to an end. I looked at his face and thought 'oh dear, he looks as if he's not with us'. 

I think he's been ok in the past (Darren won't agree) - but, maybe he should carefully consider his future as a ref. 

He was, due to be 4th official for thr Sheff Utd v Liverpool game this evening, but he's injured!!  That's very convenient. Once again, they have no one to answer to and just get away with poor performances 

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A few weeks ago the Wolves manager Nuno told the F.A.  that he didn't want Mason to referee anymore of his teams games . He said that he spoilt games by his constant stopping of play and his behavior toward players . As result he was heavily fined  for his comments, the Southampton manager made a similar comment recently . Perhaps both managers were a little concerned about Masons ability from a health point of view and the F.A. ignored them  and this is the result . 

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3 hours ago, St Darren said:

He was, due to be 4th official for thr Sheff Utd v Liverpool game this evening, but he's injured!!  That's very convenient. Once again, they have no one to answer to and just get away with poor performances 

Surely somebody must assess them periodically, to make sure they are still up to it in terms of fitness and interpretation of the laws of the game.

3 hours ago, fenman said:

A few weeks ago the Wolves manager Nuno told the F.A.  that he didn't want Mason to referee anymore of his teams games . He said that he spoilt games by his constant stopping of play and his behavior toward players . As result he was heavily fined  for his comments, the Southampton manager made a similar comment recently . Perhaps both managers were a little concerned about Masons ability from a health point of view and the F.A. ignored them  and this is the result . 

Well if that is so, he needs a medical check up. If he's not still A1 in all respects, that's sad, but he will have to stand down surely. His past record is good - I looked him up.

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46 minutes ago, Keith B said:

Surely somebody must assess them periodically, to make sure they are still up to it in terms of fitness and interpretation of the laws of the game.

Well if that is so, he needs a medical check up. If he's not still A1 in all respects, that's sad, but he will have to stand down surely. His past record is good - I looked him up.

You think so??? 

Is that was the case, how come Mason, Atwell, Moss, Pawlson are still there?  

I don't think there's many others coming through

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On 28/02/2021 at 17:01, St Darren said:

You think so??? 

Is that was the case, how come Mason, Atwell, Moss, Pawlson are still there?  

I don't think there's many others coming through

I have to say, I thought that Mike Dean was wrong in awarding Harry Kane a penalty this last weekend. VAR wrong too in my book. Kane fell as his feet slipped - no contact with the player that I could see. 

Actually, don't lets start this over again Darren 🙂.

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On the subject of men in the middle, these two podcasts below (about 30 minutes each) are a wonderful listen. They are about the great Abraham Klein, the Israeli who officiated the Brazil v England World Cup match in 1970 and is rated as possibly the best referee of the modern game.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2020/jun/03/abraham-klein-the-master-of-the-whistle-part-one-podcast-forgotten-stories-of-football

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2020/jun/10/abraham-klein-the-master-of-the-whistle-part-two-podcast

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3 hours ago, Keith B said:

I have to say, I thought that Mike Dean was wrong in awarding Harry Kane a penalty this last weekend. VAR wrong too in my book. Kane fell as his feet slipped - no contact with the player that I could see. 

Actually, don't lets start this over again Darren 🙂.

Told ya, they're all rubbish

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11 hours ago, Keith B said:

One wonders what sort of referee Darren would make ?

I don't want to be a referee, why do conversations about a referee have to go back to "could you do a better job" 

Referees choose to be in that position. At the top level of the game, they get paid extremely well, they have the benefit of VAR yet still make ridiculous decisions, and they continue to get a gig every weekend. 

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2 hours ago, St Darren said:

I don't want to be a referee, why do conversations about a referee have to go back to "could you do a better job" 

Referees choose to be in that position. At the top level of the game, they get paid extremely well, they have the benefit of VAR yet still make ridiculous decisions, and they continue to get a gig every weekend. 

I have to agree with you Darren, I wouldn't want to be a referee either. A thankless job and got at every game by somebody for decisions that upset someone. The referee is only human - he/she doesn't have eyes in the back of his/her head (which he/she really could do with) and at times they get it wrong. Some times the lino's let them down too it seems.

Let's leave it to those who administer the game to make the decisions and leave it at that. 

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1 hour ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Let's get the players to stop cheating and keep their mouths shut...that would help.

I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with.  

Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it?  Why??? 

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35 minutes ago, St Darren said:

I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with.  

Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it?  Why??? 

It has all come from the top and filtered to our level too.

Society itself now feels empowered to do and say what they like, and it's wrong.

Look at the Bristol riots...England...really! Disgraceful lack of control by the usual suspects no doubt. 

Throw the bloody book at them. Attack the police for doing their job...wrong on all levels, no respect, no control, what's next...kill a policeman/ woman for protecting us from the mob.

Times are tough enough at the moment without this nonsense. 

The controls are in place for our benefit and its about time everyone took notice.

It will end, we just have to wait a bit longer. 

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4 hours ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

It has all come from the top and filtered to our level too.

Society itself now feels empowered to do and say what they like, and it's wrong.

Look at the Bristol riots...England...really! Disgraceful lack of control by the usual suspects no doubt. 

Throw the bloody book at them. Attack the police for doing their job...wrong on all levels, no respect, no control, what's next...kill a policeman/ woman for protecting us from the mob.

Times are tough enough at the moment without this nonsense. 

The controls are in place for our benefit and its about time everyone took notice.

It will end, we just have to wait a bit longer. 

There's a lot of truth in this post older. If the violence gets worse, this country may get the kind of police force the people don't want. I hope it doesn't come to that. 

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On 25/03/2021 at 13:33, St Darren said:

I agree. But is this down to the referee as well? The higher you go the more you get away with.  

Swear at a ref at mining div 3 you get sent off, consistently swear at a referee in the South Western league and you get away with it?  Why??? 

Thought of Darren this weekend, some appalling refereeing on view. The decision to disallow the Cavani goal was pitiful. how any referee can watch the reply of that and do anything other than book son for his pathetic reaction is beyond me 

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1 hour ago, Brianmooreshead said:

Thought of Darren this weekend, some appalling refereeing on view. The decision to disallow the Cavani goal was pitiful. how any referee can watch the reply of that and do anything other than book son for his pathetic reaction is beyond me 

Another awful decision. Also in that game Fernandes kicked out at a Spurs player, ref saw it, no booking. 

The referees are rubbish with their inconsistencies. 

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Personally I can live with human errors by officials , I'm not saying I like it, but players also  make mistakes that cost games it's part of the game . But I cannot see how any rational person with any idea of the passion in football could allow this VAR  farce to continue . Wolves / Fulham game , brilliant headed goal by a loan player struggling to make his mark . Players line up to take centre , no complaints or protests  but it is decided to review the goal , multiple lines drawn and after a delay it is decided that a player's cuff  , not the scorers   , is offside . I gather a goal was disallowed in the Liverpool game for a similar reason . I don't have  a big problem with the Wolves goal too much because , Leeds had a goal disallowed against Wolves for a similar farcical reason in a previous game . A caller on Talk sport rang in on Saturday and said that there was nothing wrong in these  decisions because rules are rules . He then quoted Athletics and tennis line decisions to highlight his point . Chris Sutton ( good old Norfolk boy ) said that you can't compare offside ruling to the finish line in a sprint race or a line call in tennis and I think the rest of us would agree . Sadly I think the thoughts and feelings of the real football people ie. the fans won't have any effect on the ruling body of football . One further , interesting point made by Sutton was that different  VAR  operators  have a different opinion on whether it was offside or not ,  

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3 minutes ago, fenman said:

Personally I can live with human errors by officials , I'm not saying I like it, but players also  make mistakes that cost games it's part of the game . But I cannot see how any rational person with any idea of the passion in football could allow this VAR  farce to continue . Wolves / Fulham game , brilliant headed goal by a loan player struggling to make his mark . Players line up to take centre , no complaints or protests  but it is decided to review the goal , multiple lines drawn and after a delay it is decided that a player's cuff  , not the scorers   , is offside . I gather a goal was disallowed in the Liverpool game for a similar reason . I don't have  a big problem with the Wolves goal too much because , Leeds had a goal disallowed against Wolves for a similar farcical reason in a previous game . A caller on Talk sport rang in on Saturday and said that there was nothing wrong in these  decisions because rules are rules . He then quoted Athletics and tennis line decisions to highlight his point . Chris Sutton ( good old Norfolk boy ) said that you can't compare offside ruling to the finish line in a sprint race or a line call in tennis and I think the rest of us would agree . Sadly I think the thoughts and feelings of the real football people ie. the fans won't have any effect on the ruling body of football . One further , interesting point made by Sutton was that different  VAR  operators  have a different opinion on whether it was offside or not ,  

You realise it's the incompetent referees making the decisions on sending off or fouls don't you?? 

Wait till you see the West Brom goal being disallowed tonight. They e drawn the lines off the wrong player, the incompetent official can see that but chooses not to. 

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11 hours ago, fenman said:

Personally I can live with human errors by officials , I'm not saying I like it, but players also  make mistakes that cost games it's part of the game . But I cannot see how any rational person with any idea of the passion in football could allow this VAR  farce to continue . Wolves / Fulham game , brilliant headed goal by a loan player struggling to make his mark . Players line up to take centre , no complaints or protests  but it is decided to review the goal , multiple lines drawn and after a delay it is decided that a player's cuff  , not the scorers   , is offside . I gather a goal was disallowed in the Liverpool game for a similar reason . I don't have  a big problem with the Wolves goal too much because , Leeds had a goal disallowed against Wolves for a similar farcical reason in a previous game . A caller on Talk sport rang in on Saturday and said that there was nothing wrong in these  decisions because rules are rules . He then quoted Athletics and tennis line decisions to highlight his point . Chris Sutton ( good old Norfolk boy ) said that you can't compare offside ruling to the finish line in a sprint race or a line call in tennis and I think the rest of us would agree . Sadly I think the thoughts and feelings of the real football people ie. the fans won't have any effect on the ruling body of football . One further , interesting point made by Sutton was that different  VAR  operators  have a different opinion on whether it was offside or not ,  

Good post fenman sir.

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I suppose  the line of thinking ( no pun intended ) as regards the introduction of VAR  is that football must be electronically controlled so to speak  in other words  all  decisions will be monitored by an independent panel  used electronic meters eventually . We are in an age where the process of thinking is being removed  by technology . Many people rely on a calculator to add up , if the calculator says that 2 plus 2 equals 5  unless you haven't learnt how to add up manually you take this as correct . Many people are incapable of reading maps and rely on Sat Navs to direct them to where they are going . If they  put St. Ives into the machine they could go to St. Ives in Cornwall instead of St. Ives in Cambridgeshire  where they wanted to go . Because they have no sense of the direction they should be going they'll take this as correct . ( this type of thing had happened quite a bit with people going to Walcott in Suffolk instead of Walcott in Norfolk , 50 miles apart ) . Is this where football is headed in the future ?

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