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7 minutes ago, Mark said:

Yeah honest it didn't cost that much and it's such a satisfying job to do and takes 30-40 mins in two directions. Now if you got to pick between brushing and cleaning off wet grass I know what I would chose. Plus from brushing you get all the other benefits.

 

I have also taken the brush heads off and used as a levelling tool to move and level of a pile of soil.

Looking at your brushes there buddy I would look to have a bit of a stiffer bristle, a better brush finish and would last a lot longer than one season.

Nylon bristles I would be looking at bud.

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This is no doubt due to the rain in the last few seasons bringing the fines/silt to the surface. The net result being no air spaces in the top of the soil profile, without them grassland will retain w

Best thread I have read on here for years! Keep up the good work all you groundsmen out there. Some of us fans do appreciate you and I suppose you do enjoy the challenge of it if you are honest.

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Caught you boys up at last and got on the pitch to cut and slit it.

Bit of a heavy dew but by the time I got free to go to the ground it had all but gone...happy days.

Got it nipped off at about 45mm to allow the rooting to continue without stunting its growth by cutting the grass too short.

 

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1 hour ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

Make the most of it Older, gale force wind and heavy rain will drive you back to your shed for the rest of the week!🌬🌧🛖🏃🏻

Don't matter now Bruegel, cut and rolled at playing height for the first time since November. 

-1⁰ here this morning so will give the grass a bit of a check for a while. 

Other things to do as well.

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50 minutes ago, Paul said:

Something different today. One of our summer projects to improve our ground and the addition of a new stand at the far end of the ground. Something ive wanted to do for years. Well today we got the frame work in place. Next step to add additional supports and get the roof on. 

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Looking good there buddy.

Did you get my PM(?)

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Planning to start a bit of divot filling from boxing day tomorrow...yes..boxing day if the wind dies down at last!

And time to plug a few early weeds out at the same time, I'm going to go easier on the selective weedkiller in future as I do not like what I'm reading about the decreasing  number of bees that this stuff kills!

When I do use it I will be spraying before they flower or remove the flower heads by mowing a few days before use with the mower.  Do not spray for a few days after cutting to let the tillers seal on the ends.

Time to consider the wildlife methinks.

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Pitch cut today before the rain comes in again in the week. Although it looks ok its looking a bit yellow and tired in places. It needs something to give it a bit of a boost. 

Do you suggest using the bits of rubber Older for any diviots or a mixture of top soil and sand good enough? 

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On 18/03/2021 at 23:15, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Planning to start a bit of divot filling from boxing day tomorrow...yes..boxing day if the wind dies down at last!

And time to plug a few early weeds out at the same time, I'm going to go easier on the selective weedkiller in future as I do not like what I'm reading about the decreasing  number of bees that this stuff kills!

When I do use it I will be spraying before they flower or remove the flower heads by mowing a few days before use with the mower.  Do not spray for a few days after cutting to let the tillers seal on the ends.

Time to consider the wildlife methinks.

Thank you Professor Older, that post, or an extended version of it, should be sent to every Groundsman/Greenkeeper in the country/world. Professional Sports Curators are almost up there with agriculture/horticulture as far as putting lethal chemicals into the countryside is concerned. Not sure about rubber granules though, maybe my friends the worms dine on them, or maybe they just sit there forever!

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Sand and soil buddy, I'd hold off on the fertiliser yet, wants to be a bit warmer, it will flush itself when the sun comes out. 

1 hour ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

Thank you Professor Older, that post, or an extended version of it, should be sent to every Groundsman/Greenkeeper in the country/world. Professional Sports Curators are almost up there with agriculture/horticulture as far as putting lethal chemicals into the countryside is concerned. Not sure about rubber granules though, maybe my friends the worms dine on them, or maybe they just sit there forever!

The rubber I put in the ground is still there about 12 years later so it looks like they're in in for the long haul!

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9 hours ago, Paul said:

Thanks mate. Maybe May would be the right month to give it a boost. I think the grass has been that wet for so long now its taking a bit of time to recover. 

It's always beneficial to fertilise later in my opinion to get the grass hardened up for the summer months, especially a bit of Potash to fight disease. 

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1 hour ago, justanopinion said:

Older, do you have a recommendation on where one like this can be purchased?

Got mine off Ebay buddy, they come up now and then, just keep watching.

Ours is 40inches to match the mower, we have one pitch so perfectly adequate for that.

Brand new they are dopey money, but the carrier frame holds other bits of kit as well, slitter, spike, rake or brushes so a versatile bit of kit.

I got ours with the rake and star wheel slitter for £350 which is good.

Scarifying lifts your grass and disturbs the sward letting in a lot of benefits to your pitch.

Remember you have to pick up the debris from the work or you wasted your time.

I'll leave it on the pitch now to dry out a bit which makes collecting it with a box mower a lot easier.

We all know you can get £££s in machinery Grant's now but with one pitch a ride on, collector with various attachments is completely viable.

No need to go down the route of compact tractors, multi tool do all kit that even with the grant money costs thousands...no need at this level unless you have more than one pitch.

3rd pass and lifting a a lot of crap out now, the grass will love bit of fresh air, and speed the ball up as well.

Good for knocking off lumps and bumps, worm casts too. Only went over it 3 times today, last year 12 times, I'll do it again if time permits.

Great help from our centre forward today as well...thanks to Ryan for giving up a couple of hours.

 

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Older, Many thanks for detailed reply. What do you think about a tractor that cuts and mulches? Could this exacerbate the need for a scarifier rake if the grass doesn't fully breakdown when left on?

Hello buddy, for me I would never use a mulching deck on a sports pitch, just stores up trouble later down the line.

Cutting regularly is the key to letting your clippings fly rather than pick them up, but it has to be done really regularly.

I might be behind the times on this as there are now high lift mulching decks available which funny enough I'm going to look at tomorrow. 

We'll see then.

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Here's the powered scarifier I need a change of mower for, it is belt driven so a Countax or Westwood will give me that and then I can be brutal to the surface but will still give huge benefits. 

Years ago talking to the old Highbury groundsman he would scarify his pitch end of season 30 times!

Best pitch I've ever seen and I'm a Spurs man!!!

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Good old Ebay again, £360 + £80 pallet delivery...bargain.

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On 25/03/2021 at 14:37, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Hello buddy, for me I would never use a mulching deck on a sports pitch, just stores up trouble later down the line.

Cutting regularly is the key to letting your clippings fly rather than pick them up, but it has to be done really regularly.

I might be behind the times on this as there are now high lift mulching decks available which funny enough I'm going to look at tomorrow. 

We'll see then.

Went and had a look a one of these high lift mulching decks today.

Absolutely no way would I use that on a football pitch, no different to a standard mulching deck.

You would have to pick up the arisings afterwards without doubt or it would like like a council cut grass verge!

Or cut your pitch at least twice a week. 

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8 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Went and had a look a one of these high lift mulching decks today.

Absolutely no way would I use that on a football pitch, no different to a standard mulching deck.

You would have to pick up the arisings afterwards without doubt or it would like like a council cut grass verge!

Or cut your pitch at least twice a week. 

Dave what make and model did you look at? I'm interested to goggle it and see what you are referring too.

 

Cheers

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3 hours ago, Mark said:

Dave what make and model did you look at? I'm interested to goggle it and see what you are referring too.

 

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Hello bud, a Countax 20-50.

20 horsepower with 50" high lift mulch deck.

It comes with a grass collector behind the deck.

 

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It's probably perfectly ok as long as you collect the grass everytime. 

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There really should be no need to collect grass clippings behind a mulch mower.

Granted, conditions need to be good, and grass not left to grow too long. But the mowing deck should be fully enclosed, so as not to allow any clippings to leave, until fully mulched.

There should be two blades on each boss, the first to cut the grass, and a second, above to mulch. In the photo, it appears to be a rear discharge.

A good mulcher used in good conditions should give a spotless finish. I’ve used mulching finishing mowers, and have my own pedestrian version, I’m happy with both finishes.

However clippings being returned. NOW THERE’S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. Ask two groundsman, get three options!!

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Certainly the one I looked at was rear discharge with chains to spread the arisings if not being collected. 

Not for me personally, mulching mowers would have to be used really regularly to get any sort of finish and the grass would have to be bone dry for sure, I'd probably only use one late afternoon or brush any damp off first.

Clippings being returned was a big no, no for me for a lot of years, but today with higher blade speeds the arisings are certainly finer than they used to be so theorists believe they get down to the bacteria...and not become thatch.

Myself I do let the grass fly now more than pick it up, but that is only if I'm bang on the cutting schedule. 

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Out with the box mower and picked up the scarifying...all done.

Beautiful day, warm and plenty of light, the light will get photosynthesis on the move and the grass will start to pick up after a miserable March month for light.

It has been estimated that Wimbledon centre court only gets enough light for the grass to grow on its own for a maximum of 9 days a year.

The rest of the time it is artificially lit.

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Borrowed our neighbours lining in machine today (got to get a new one)

Blimey this thing is ultra light and so easy use compared to my 40 year old ultra heavyweight liner,

4"line compared to the old 3" and what a difference to the finish of the pitch.

Never seen the lines look better.

Cold as well,  8 or 9 days of 2⁰ or 3⁰ have certainly slowed the growth up, cut 9 days ago and won't need a cut for a good few days yet.

 

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Yep we too were delighted to see football back at VP. Lots of hard work over lockdown has paid off by the groundsteam

 

Gave the pitch a good rake out and clean up last week and it's already looking healthier for it.

 

Good string line and over mark this morning, after a double brush and a double cut, pitch was looking really good.

 

Hope everyone is well.

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Managed to get on the pitch last couple of days and do a bit of weed killing at last. Picked the flowers off all the weed before spraying so as not kill any bee's, so happy to do that.

Just wait for the next lot to turn up and nail them as well. 

Two days of frost here has done for any growth again. That's 13 days now with not enough growth to cut, poor for April but hopefully warm up soon.

 

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More frost today but warming up and bright sunshine has got the grass slightly moving at last, all we need now is a nice bit of rain to push it on a bit more.

Time to buy my fertiliser and I'm probably going to go with the good old national growmore again at 7.7.7. as I find it perfectly acceptable  for growth and longevity of release with a cracking price of a around £16 for a 25 kilo bag and that will do for me.

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1 hour ago, justanopinion said:

Am I right in thinking that if I use 16.16.16 at half the rate you have applied 7.7.7, the pitch will basically receive a similar amount of feed?

Not really buddy, but you'll probably find that half a dose will work just as well, you have to be a bit more careful though to make sure you get a good average coverage.

The best way to do that would be to put down half length ways and the other across to make sure.

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Bit the bullet today and nipped the grass of for a bit of a tidy up and to strengthen the pattern. 

Also decided to water the goalmouths to get a bit of growth going for the up and coming fixtures. 

More pesky dandelions popping up due to the neighbouring council land feeding in seeds all the time, but the good news only had 3 daisies on the pitch!

So all in all not a bad day, no rain forecast and a drop in temperature again it's going to be a while before any good growth yet.

 

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On 16/04/2021 at 16:28, justanopinion said:

Am I right in thinking that if I use 16.16.16 at half the rate you have applied 7.7.7, the pitch will basically receive a similar amount of feed?

Mmm, pretty much yes. 

The problem with going to light on application rates, is you can get speckling. This is where the prills are to far apart and cause a green speckled effect. 

Much better to go a little lighter with an analysis, such as 12 6 6. Also a cheap product due the amounts produced, well suited to grass growth, as N is more needed than P and K (in my opinion)

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Out with the new lining machine today, what a revelation! 

Easiest thing in the world to mark in with this, light as a feather to use and absolutely delighted with it.

Only marked one way as the line came up strong enough not to have to go back on the line the other way, I'll find out in the winter if the line is strong enough to withstand any rain. On first impressions I certainly would not spend hundreds on a spray liner.

The lines showing up nicely from top to bottom and all lined up.

So...I have an old lining machine available free to a good home.

Just PM and we'll  sort it.

 

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Problems starting now, an area of dry patch showing up, and the grass not standing up when walked on, a few more days of this weather and it's out with the water machines! Never had to do that in April before, late June/July  normally. 

But, the wind has gone around to a bit North Westerly so a possibility of some rain...fingers crossed for that.

 

 

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Spent today giving everything a good cut including around the ground in the hope that tomorrow we get a bucket full of rain to give everything a good kick. The pitch is so dry and looking tired. Not used any fertiliser yet as we need the rain. These conditions are normally more June/July type conditions.

Daisys and Dandilions growing everywhere. They follow the areas we mark the pitch at the far end. God nos why. Must be something in the paint they like. Pitch needs spraying this summer to sort that out. 

Hope your all well and enjoying the dry weather. Well to a point. 😃

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51 minutes ago, Paul said:

Spent today giving everything a good cut including around the ground in the hope that tomorrow we get a bucket full of rain to give everything a good kick. The pitch is so dry and looking tired. Not used any fertiliser yet as we need the rain. These conditions are normally more June/July type conditions.

Daisys and Dandilions growing everywhere. They follow the areas we mark the pitch at the far end. God nos why. Must be something in the paint they like. Pitch needs spraying this summer to sort that out. 

Hope your all well and enjoying the dry weather. Well to a point. 😃

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Dandelions...tell me about it, thousands of the sods, going to have a good go at them later in the week.

Very few daisies though.

And rain, yes please, no bulk in the grass at all, I won't be putting any fertiliser down yet, will need more than one day's rain before I do that.

I'll probably leave it as late as possible now so as to get maximum benefit out of it, might even leave it to September/October, any rain now will make the grass grow perfectly well for me.

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Im thinking the same. Let the rain take hold for a bit before we put to much fertiliser down. 

This afternoon the weather has come in and the pitch is getting a good soaking. Just what it needed. 

Listening to the radio in the car earlier it mentioned how poor the weather had been for April and the really low temperatures. Might see some change coming hopefully. 

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1 hour ago, Paul said:

Im thinking the same. Let the rain take hold for a bit before we put to much fertiliser down. 

This afternoon the weather has come in and the pitch is getting a good soaking. Just what it needed. 

Listening to the radio in the car earlier it mentioned how poor the weather had been for April and the really low temperatures. Might see some change coming hopefully. 

Not before time Paul, not a lot of rain here though, going to need a lot more than this buddy.

Rain at night, long sunny days for photosynthesis and a bit of warmth for the soil bacteria and the grass will fly...wishful thinking...lol.

Heres how dry it's been,  a line on the training ground!!!

 

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