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This is no doubt due to the rain in the last few seasons bringing the fines/silt to the surface. The net result being no air spaces in the top of the soil profile, without them grassland will retain w

Best thread I have read on here for years! Keep up the good work all you groundsmen out there. Some of us fans do appreciate you and I suppose you do enjoy the challenge of it if you are honest.

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51 minutes ago, Paul said:

Morning all. I think a few miracles are needed if everyone is to play football this Saturday. No let up today. Need to hope that wind keeps up to help dry out the pitch. Gona be touch and go for many. 😕

I'm going for a wipeout!!!

Water tables are full so nowhere for the water to go, drainage will be very slow in these conditions. 

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4 hours ago, Titus Bramble said:

@Markhow’s Vogue Park looking? My wife is busy making plans for Xmas shopping... 😟

I and the other groundsmen will be working hard to get games on. I think our bottom pitch will be OFF but main pitch maybe ok if rain stops to give time to dry as Leuan says.

 

I don't know for sure but we all want football on so we will be up early to give it the biggest chance. 🙏🤞🙏🤞

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With nearly all the local footy off I thought I'd have the afternoon finishing off the divoting prior to a cut and roll.

Hahahaha 1.00pm down came the rain and that was the end of that...gawd knows when it's going to be finished with Sunday's weather predominantly heavy rain!

I took my dog out for a walk instead...bolloooks to it.

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Just on the cusp of being able to cut and roll today but managed to finish it for the boxing day game...fingers crossed 🤞

One wet area just off the new drain but a lot better than last season where I got stuck, the drain must be near the top for it to be wet and seeping in underground. 

I was going to hitch the slitter to the roller at the same time...good job I didn't! 

The more drag you put onto a tractor the heavier the footprint becomes as it needs traction which will pull it into the ground, at the same time it lightens the steering making it difficult to steer without front weights...and weight is the enemy of the groundsman. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Paul said:

Still no sign of the water draining away today. In fact with the additional rain its even deeper today. Hopefully it drains quickly. Always helps fill a few diviots mind. 😉

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That's as bad as it gets Paul, and the forecast is not good  to say the least.

2 weeks off for you waiting for that to get some sort of firmness back.

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Weve alot of heavy rain again today so its had a top up again unfortunately. Forcast not great until Thursday. Wont be doing anything between now and xmas. If it drys up i will try and pump the worst out the ground. No point doing anything until such time. 

Your pitch is looking just fine at Penryn. No issues with xmas games there im sure. 👏

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14 hours ago, Paul said:

Weve alot of heavy rain again today so its had a top up again unfortunately. Forcast not great until Thursday. Wont be doing anything between now and xmas. If it drys up i will try and pump the worst out the ground. No point doing anything until such time. 

Your pitch is looking just fine at Penryn. No issues with xmas games there im sure. 👏

What a shame Paul, considering all the work you did in the closed season to improve drainage at the Clubhouse end. Nothing you can do though with a notoriously high water table and rain of biblical proportions.

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Torrential rain up here Older so I thought I'd do a post which you might find interesting with your knowledge of drainage and horticulture . Alternatively you might not find it interesting !!!!!! . I had a run out last week to watch my 2 sons boring a well at a huge fruit farm . It was interesting seeing all the shells etc being brought up to the surface having been down over 300 feet underground for millions of years . There was so much chalk coming up as well that it was like being in St. Austell . What I found interesting was that the borehole isn't for irrigation , but used  to heat the greenhouses . I think I've got this right , the water comes out of the pipe lukewarm , it then goes through a process similar to a car radiator , only in reverse . Instead of cooling the water , a pressure system heats it up . The used water then goes back into the ground via another borehole and the heat is distributed around the greenhouses . The heat generated is not enormous  but is sufficient to heat the greenhouses enough to grow rhubarb out of season . Perhaps I'm just weird , but I love to learn something about something every day , and I found this technology most interesting . Are you au faix with this technology ?  if so can you explain it ?.My sons can't explain the technical side of the compressor system as it's a specialised company that installs it , they bore the hole and install all the pipework . Apparently even with the expense of several weeks drilling etc. this is an economic way of heating in horticulture .

Whilst on the subject of well boring , were clubs like Penryn given  grants to have irrigation wells bored ? 

I think my sons have bored 6 wells at clubs since last season , all paid for by grants , and again in spite of the cost of the boring and installation it will save clubs money in the longer term . The boys were shocked at the size of the water bills at theses clubs and the amount of water they use per year .

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Similar to the hot rocks site in our local quarry, they drill down something like a mile into the granite where the water is super heated and use it to generate electricity I believe.

Your system I believe pressurises the water which creates movement,  movement creates friction, friction means heat.

Air pumps used in modern houses use the same principles I think.

And...the same as you, it's been raining here now for 22 hours!!!

No bore hole here Fenman, we are on a meter and when watering the pitch two machines can pump out 160 cubic metres a day...go figure that bill!!!

But for other clubs information you can get a reduction on water Bill's when the water

is used for irrigation. 

We did look at a bore hole many, 

many years ago circa £2,500 but they could only guarantee 10 gallons a minute which would not be enough we thought.

They did find 3 underground streams below the pitch at around 80 ft so always a possibility again I suppose.

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23 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Similar to the hot rocks site in our local quarry, they drill down something like a mile into the granite where the water is super heated and use it to generate electricity I believe.

Your system I believe pressurises the water which creates movement,  movement creates friction, friction means heat.

Air pumps used in modern houses use the same principles I think.

Quite right Older. The Eden project is in the process of building a large scale geothermal plant which will supply all their energy requirements with plenty left over to supply cheap energy to surrounding homes.
On the domestic front, smaller ground source central heating systems (complete with fenmans complex pressurising unit) are becoming available (at about £9K a time albeit with Government grants available), to replace gas boilers which the government plan to phase out over the next decade. You can also get air source heat exchangers but I have no idea how they work!

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5 minutes ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

Quite right Older. The Eden project is in the process of building a large scale geothermal plant which will supply all their energy requirements with plenty left over to supply cheap energy to surrounding homes.
On the domestic front, smaller ground source central heating systems (complete with fenmans complex pressurising unit) are becoming available (at about £9K a time albeit with Government grants available), to replace gas boilers which the government plan to phase out over the next decade. You can also get air source heat exchangers but I have no idea how they work!

Same thing applies to air pumps, pressurise it to create movement to create friction.

Interestingly electricity travelling through a cable also creates friction hense cables warm up as in underfloor heating systems. 

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Interestingly the effects of pressure cannot be underestimated. 

Watching a programme years ago about the building of the Boulder dam, they found that if they laid concrete too deeply in one session it could actually catch fire due to the pressure created, so they had to reduce the amount they laid to stop igniting it.

Wet concrete can catch fire...unbelievable! 

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Regarding the bore hole irrigation Paul, Older were you offered the grant for an irrigation bore hole ? . My son's are sure that the grants came from the FA and totalled about £10, 000 .As I said earlier they were contracted to bore 6 in Norfolk and 1 over the border in Suffolk .

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40 minutes ago, fenman said:

Regarding the bore hole irrigation Paul, Older were you offered the grant for an irrigation bore hole ? . My son's are sure that the grants came from the FA and totalled about £10, 000 .As I said earlier they were contracted to bore 6 in Norfolk and 1 over the border in Suffolk .

No Grant's 25 odd years ago that I can remember. 

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1 hour ago, Paul said:

Over Christmas the rain had drained leaving the pitch like a sponge. Drove past this afternoon and its filling back up. Not stopped raining all day. Back to square one. 

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Know what you feel like Paul, we played boxing day and shredded the pitch,  then 2 days of rain and hail with no prospect of being able to do any repairs at this time.

3 days dry may get a machine and roller slitter on it for any chance of playing Saturday. 

At this moment I just have to keep off like all the other suffering grounds peeps.

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Paul feel for you mate, so frustrating when this time of year we have some time but the weather just won't allow. 

Dave - I've seen we are due a couple of days dry weather, exactly what we all need. No home games for me this Saturday but still want to repair VP after 9 games through December. I know this is an achievement with the weather we had but it leaves some awful damage!!

I've not been on VP since end of November with any machinery, just me, the other groundsmen and our trusty forks. Lots and lots of time putting back divots, yes I know all worth it in the end but bloody back braking. 

 

I broke by fork last week so that tells you how much I've done!!😂😂. Santa brought me a new one thank God.

 

Keep praying, the days are getting lighter now!!🌞🌞

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1 hour ago, Mark said:

Paul feel for you mate, so frustrating when this time of year we have some time but the weather just won't allow. 

Dave - I've seen we are due a couple of days dry weather, exactly what we all need. No home games for me this Saturday but still want to repair VP after 9 games through December. I know this is an achievement with the weather we had but it leaves some awful damage!!

I've not been on VP since end of November with any machinery, just me, the other groundsmen and our trusty forks. Lots and lots of time putting back divots, yes I know all worth it in the end but bloody back braking. 

 

I broke by fork last week so that tells you how much I've done!!😂😂. Santa brought me a new one thank God.

 

Keep praying, the days are getting lighter now!!🌞🌞

Haha, that's a big divot to break your fork!

The forecast is now more rain and possible snow on Thursday!!!

That'll be the end of Saturdays game.

I've just started filling this divot in!!!

 

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1 hour ago, Ieuan Gregory said:

just walked our pitch soggy on top, but given a dry day on Thursday, may be able to put a machine on Friday. if only to make it look presentable. Good luck everyone else lets hope the precipitation stops sometime soon. Maybe time to look seriously at a mid season break!

It'll take more than one day dry before I get a machine on the pitch here? After boxing days damage and 3 days of rain the grass is not re-connecting to give the pitch drainage.

Most drainage occurs down the root systems so when you chop your pitch up you lose drainage for a few days/weeks.

Saturday's damage followed by the weather here today...a lot of rain again.

Is everyone getting this???

 

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Just need a couple of dry days and I can hopefully run the machine over VP. Forecast is looking optimistic for the weekend and with no home games on Saturday, Hopefully Sunday/Monday will be good.

Dave - We are getting very have rain showers, nothing prolonged but when it comes they are heavy. Today at Lunchtime even saw a very very heavy hail storm!🤦‍♂️

Hard work in the summer will always pay off in the winter is something I've learnt more in recent years plus carrying out the right Areation at the right time.

 

@Bruegel the Elder you are right - council pitches won't have been touched for months and probably were not touched that much this summer due to lockdown. Feel for them and the huge sums of money paid in rent.

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1 hour ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Wont matter now, we have cancelled Saturday v Hayle due to Covid rearing its head in the club, unfortunately  members and players with the NHS app being told to isolate for ten days. 

Football is now on the back burner for us.

Best of health to all.

One saving grace you can enjoy your new year and rest now Dave!!!......not!

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1 hour ago, Mark said:

One saving grace you can enjoy your new year and rest now Dave!!!......not!

Rest! What's that?

Lol, no rush to get the pitch ready now.

3 hours ago, baldy said:

If everyone used the app we would all be locked in our houses semi-permanently. Biggest pile of shite the government has ever released and I include test and trace, universal credit and the NHS database.

Well when people have tested positive and you get the warning on the app I think you might take notice of it.

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18 minutes ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

🔔🥃HAPPY NEW YEAR GROUNDIES🥃🔔

You’ll just have to take the opportunity to put your feet up and raise a glass or two. Wishing you all a prosperous 2021, with well behaved players and better behaved weather.

No chance, going over today to sterilise the building.

No rest for the wicked?

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3 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Definitely...but got to be done with two more cases confirmed here today, and another local club has had positive cases.

Understood. Stay safe Older, your Club (and forum) need you!

Wouldn’t it be better to just leave the premises locked until needed again to allow any virus to degrade naturally before sterilising so as not to put yourself at risk.

The vaccine is so close, it would be a shame to risk anything now!

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