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Straight urea has an analysis of 46 0 0, this goes some way to explaining how quickly it can scorch. Very soluble. It can easily be diluted in water, and applied through a sprayer as a liquid feed. A 25kg bag applied in 500ltrs of water, supplies 9kg/N. At a cost of around £40, so very cost effective. Can also be tank mixed with a weed killer for a weed and feed effect. How ever, left in the open air, will quickly lose it’s nitrogen to the atmosphere.

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This is no doubt due to the rain in the last few seasons bringing the fines/silt to the surface. The net result being no air spaces in the top of the soil profile, without them grassland will retain w

Best thread I have read on here for years! Keep up the good work all you groundsmen out there. Some of us fans do appreciate you and I suppose you do enjoy the challenge of it if you are honest.

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35 minutes ago, Mrgreen said:

Straight urea has an analysis of 46 0 0, this goes some way to explaining how quickly it can scorch. Very soluble. It can easily be diluted in water, and applied through a sprayer as a liquid feed. A 25kg bag applied in 500ltrs of water, supplies 9kg/N. At a cost of around £40, so very cost effective. Can also be tank mixed with a weed killer for a weed and feed effect. How ever, left in the open air, will quickly lose it’s nitrogen to the atmosphere.

Never used it before and it certainly can burn very quickly!

I think me brushing it when wet exasperated the affect...live and learn!

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Split one of the controlled prills in half just to show how it works. 

The orange outer polymer coating containing the nitrogen nitrate, potash and magnesium inside. In warm temperatures the polymer coat expands opening up micro pores letting the fertiliser seep out, when it contacts damp soil it will start to break down and the bacteria activates the fixation process,  all very clever no doubt. When the weather cools the polymer contracts and the fertiliser is contained again.

Interesting to note the thickness of the coating, less than a micron I would guess.

 

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On 09/10/2020 at 22:44, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Never used it before and it certainly can burn very quickly!

I think me brushing it when wet exasperated the affect...live and learn!

I bet you were exasperated when the effects of your fertiliser were exacerbated! Bloody urea and predictive text, enough to drive you to distruction!

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Spotted this today.

The affect of the vertidrain now showing strongly as highlighted lines of aerated grass, this is the grass being able to breath in fresh air instead of stale air from compaction (gaseous exchange)

Unusually these lines show the vertidrain had little lift applied to fracture the ground between the tines, normally the grass would flush green across its  entirety, but beggars cannot be choosers...so be it , the FA paid for it - so thanks to them.

Also note where the fertiliser had burnt the grass, washing it with the hose and subsequent rain it has already started to recover luckily.

The arrows showing the lines and the circle the burnt area.

 

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Finished the drain at last...should keep that bleddy  John Mead happy...lol

 

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Also the urea nitrogen is biting hard now, grass putting on nearly ½" of growth a day, not a lover of that as it detracts from the general and root growth.  You can see the grass on the wing nearly blue with the urea!

 

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But overall reasonably happy with the result at this time.

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@TheolderIgetthebetterIwas question for you... Is there much point going to the levels you have if there's no drainage system on the pitch?

We are having issues at our ground which is ultimately down to the Rugby Club's minis using the pitch to train on, but concentrating their drills in certain areas.

Out pitch hasn't got drainage and two weeks ago, a patch of mud just "appeared". No grass at all. 

This week we had it fertilised and verti-drained however, I think a miracle is more like what's required for it to last us until the end of winter :(

 

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4 minutes ago, Dave Bartlam said:

@TheolderIgetthebetterIwas question for you... Is there much point going to the levels you have if there's no drainage system on the pitch?

We are having issues at our ground which is ultimately down to the Rugby Club's minis using the pitch to train on, but concentrating their drills in certain areas.

Out pitch hasn't got drainage and two weeks ago, a patch of mud just "appeared". No grass at all. 

This week we had it fertilised and verti-drained however, I think a miracle is more like what's required for it to last us until the end of winter :(

 

Training on the pitch at this time of the year is bonkers, compaction in the top layer is the biggest problem where grass is concerned. 

Rugby is brutal to grass in the scrum areas and will wipe grass out in one go virtually, rucking is also very damaging.

If their pitch is going to get that amount of traffic on it they would need to start a program of hollow coring and topdressing with sports sand to maintain any sort of surface for both sports. 

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9 minutes ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Training on the pitch at this time of the year is bonkers, compaction in the top layer is the biggest problem where grass is concerned. 

Rugby is brutal to grass in the scrum areas and will wipe grass out in one go virtually, rucking is also very damaging.

If their pitch is going to get that amount of traffic on it they would need to start a program of hollow coring and topdressing with sports sand to maintain any sort of surface for both sports. 

It's been an issue for us. We've not trained on it, instead opting for a 3G. The rugby Mini's continue to do so and it's caused damage which I think is now irreversible (until it can get some much needed rest) :(

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1 hour ago, Dave Bartlam said:

It's been an issue for us. We've not trained on it, instead opting for a 3G. The rugby Mini's continue to do so and it's caused damage which I think is now irreversible (until it can get some much needed rest) :(

The grass will recover at this time as the temperatures are still good, but they would need to stop now to give it a chance.

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Well......4 weeks to plan in some work. Whats everyones list of jobs?

Repair goalmouth and penalty spot. 

Power wash tea hut area, grandstand and players tunnel.

Paint grandstand.

Clean path at far end of the ground.

Clean nets and wash posts down.

Weed killer to spray around the ground and club.

Fertiliser on the pitch to go down. 

Im sure theres plenty of other jobs to do. 🤣

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Repair goalmouths and penalty spots...no way...no-one goes in the goalmouths until virtually kick off, and asked to keep out of the goals at half time.

Bit of spraying to do and that's about all, we've had a good clean up around the site last week and looking nice all around if I say so myself. 

Bit of divoting to finish off after Saturday and a quick nip off will do for this week.

I'll probably take the opportunity weather permitting to plug a few areas and pop a bit of sand in some of the softer areas to help the water get through the surface quicker. 

Will also take the chance to blow a few areas with the trusty old air dagger.

Can see this lasting longer than 4 weeks I'm afraid!

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The goal mouth i repaired over the summer is showing some ware which is no surprise really. Just gona give it some tlc, light roll. Fork it and add some seed. Maybe drop some sand down some holes to help the drainage. 

Plenty of other jobs that just need time. Cant get it all done at once so if we get some decent weather we might have a chance.

Weeds have shot up thanks to the worms creating space for them to grow. Another job to pick away at. 

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Well full circle now, out with the slitter to give the pitch a bit of air and get the water away a bit faster. 

 

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Also allowed the grass to grow to 2" to hopefully get a bit deeper rooting with the fertiliser biting 100% now.

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Big bonus this week as well, been looking for a set of slotted rollers for over 9 months and these appeared on Ebay this week ...got them at last.

The benefit of these are they don't roll the grass down in front of the cutters and will give a much better cut than the solid rollers.

 

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Big, big bonus too in the last couple of weeks, one of the boys here managed to get us a couple of very nice sheds that were going to be scrapped!

 

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Lovely great shed giving me the chance to store the triple inside at last. Bit of work to do in there yet with shelving and a work bench but now I can get to the mowers without having to move a dozen bits and pieces...feeling really spoilt with all the space now.

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Lovely great shed giving me the chance to store the triple inside at last. Bit of work to do in there yet with shelving and a work bench but now I can get to the mowers without having to move a dozen bits and pieces...feeling really spoilt with all the space now.

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And then this bunch from the university turn up and decide to have a kick around on the pitch!

Caught on camera. 

 

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Yes and I caught them on there,  a few choice words later they took of like scalded cats with their tails between their legs.

I would have loved it if one had decided to lip me to give me a reason to bust their chops! Incandescent rage would not describe my anger at what they had done, supposedly the finest brains, the usual idiots in my estimation   if I had a gun I would have shot the lot of them!

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And the ground temperature taken this morning a very healthy 11⁰c at 4" which is amazing for this time of the year. 

At 10⁰c grass will start to slow down slightly so at this time the grass is growing well will be cut at least twice a week for the time depending on the weather. 

At 5⁰ the grass will really slow up until it stops when it gets to a few days of zero temperatures,  that's when pitches suffer the most damage as there is no recovery for displaced or smeared grass, it cannot recover from being stomped into mud.

The best chance after this happens is to have a guts full of rain to wash the grass out of the mud.

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2 hours ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

And then this bunch from the university turn up and decide to have a kick around on the pitch!

Caught on camera. 

 

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Yes and I caught them on there,  a few choice words later they took of like scalded cats with their tails between their legs.

I would have loved it if one had decided to lip me to give me a reason to bust their chops! Incandescent rage would not describe my anger at what they had done, supposedly the finest brains, the usual idiots in my estimation   if I had a gun I would have shot the lot of them!

Since they look semi-organised, with their matching kit etc. I would be asking the Club Secretary to write a letter to the students union seeking restitution either by way of a financial penalty or a series of work parties. I’m sure you can find lots of little jobs for them (putting up shelves etc.), which might teach them a little respect (a subject not taught at university!) and might win you a few fans, or even the odd term time player!

1 hour ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

And the ground temperature taken this morning a very healthy 11⁰c at 4" which is amazing for this time of the year. 

At 10⁰c grass will start to slow down slightly so at this time the grass is growing well will be cut at least twice a week for the time depending on the weather. 

At 5⁰ the grass will really slow up until it stops when it gets to a few days of zero temperatures,  that's when pitches suffer the most damage as there is no recovery for displaced or smeared grass, it cannot recover from being stomped into mud.

The best chance after this happens is to have a guts full of rain to wash the grass out of the mud.

A few years ago we made up a couple of foldable frames covered in heavy duty agriculture fleece (l thought clear polythene might be better, but was overruled!) to put over the goalmouths to try to keep some warmth in the ground (we did take them off before games!). The Groundsman at the time swore they worked wonders, I couldn’t see much difference!

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Not a lot of advantage with polythene this time of the year Breugel, in the spring to warm the ground faster it is used a lot by farmers to get the crop to market earlier. 

Fleece on a goalmouth (?)  Not for me personally, would see no point in just doing a goalmouth.

No warm ups in the goalmouths has always worked for me to protect it.

I've calmed down from when the damage was done and mostly repaired it now, they got the message on the day believe me!

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2 hours ago, Mrgreen said:

With the present incredibly mild temperatures, and the fact that grass, and weeds are still actively growing. Daisies, for example, looking more like cabbages, it seems like a good idea to apply a late season selective herbicide. 

Getting a clean surface now will really give a good head start come next spring.

Yes, mild is an under statement! 

Like cabbages certainly, so big I've just been cutting them of with a knife, quicker than a selective...and cheaper! 

Not got a lot of weed as I tend to continually treat weeds as I see them and do the whole pitch that way as well. Never saw the point on spraying a whole pitch to get a few weeds that would not cover 20 square yards in total.

Grass is certainly growing! I've not been able to cut it for 13 days now due to this bloody rain.

Dry day Thursday promised so planning to cut my hay field then...fingers crossed, probably the longest it's ever been at the moment! 

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Older. 

I’ve just noticed your new rollers. Nice upgrade.

If you can get the scraper attachments it will be well worth it. The groves don’t take long to fill up in sticky conditions. 

Some of the older walk behind mowers used to have a small section of roller on each side, with a big void in the middle. Great in the summer, but used to gouge a little when used in softer conditions.

Another little tip for anybody. If you don’t get on with the groves, a tight length of plastic pipe slid over each one and you have smooth rollers.

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1 hour ago, Mrgreen said:

Older. 

I’ve just noticed your new rollers. Nice upgrade.

If you can get the scraper attachments it will be well worth it. The groves don’t take long to fill up in sticky conditions. 

Some of the older walk behind mowers used to have a small section of roller on each side, with a big void in the middle. Great in the summer, but used to gouge a little when used in softer conditions.

Another little tip for anybody. If you don’t get on with the groves, a tight length of plastic pipe slid over each one and you have smooth rollers.

Thanks Mrgreen, been a long time getting them. 

I try to avoid sticky conditions where possible when using a roller mower, or would stiff brush the pitch early morning to remove dew and worm casts to avoid the clogging.

This time of year I will go back to a rotary cut and only use the triple when conditions allow, it is a heavy beast for the conditions at this time.

I will be looking for the scrapers but will probably end up doing a bit of a bespoke jobby if needs be. 

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Rain, rain, rain,  never make plans they say, all the work I planned on the pitch during lockdown...we've had one dry day here!!! Got  decent cut on the pitch that day though.

 

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So with today's rain I decided to service the rotary.

New plug, oil filter and oil (single 30 grade) clean carburetor bowl and check float operation, and finish with a greasing.

 

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Check afterfire solenoid to stop backfires.

 

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Use sump oil pump for a nice easy oil change,  lovely bit of kit.

 

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Did find a couple of leucars a bit loose on the ignition side so pinched them up a tad, made difference to starting immediately. 

 

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One disappointing thing though I did notice a bit of spray oil on the front axle which may be coming from the top of the engine.

Hopefully not the head gasket but maybe the rocker cover I hope...a much easier job that will be!

So wet again tomorrow I may strip out the front of the engine to find out what happened...sod it the mower has only done 330 hours. Might get away with just torqueing the bolts down...fingers crossed on that one.

Forecast for the week looking dry!!!!

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On 18/11/2020 at 13:01, Mrgreen said:

Older. 

I’ve just noticed your new rollers. Nice upgrade.

If you can get the scraper attachments it will be well worth it. The groves don’t take long to fill up in sticky conditions. 

Some of the older walk behind mowers used to have a small section of roller on each side, with a big void in the middle. Great in the summer, but used to gouge a little when used in softer conditions.

Another little tip for anybody. If you don’t get on with the groves, a tight length of plastic pipe slid over each one and you have smooth rollers.

There you go MrGreen, found these bespoke jobbies somebody had made for their 180.

Pretty simple to have made and modelled on the old mowers you were talking about with the void in the centre to avoid rolling the grass down in front of the cutter units.

Keep a sharp eye out for stones or metal studs that have come out of boots though or you will end up with a nice sharpening bill (!)

 

 

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