cockerkneeboy Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 (Taken from the Sky Sports website) David Beckham has been left out of Fabio Capello's first England squad for the friendly with Switzerland. The England manager telephoned the midfielder and broke the news to Beckham - who is just one appearance short of becoming the fifth man to earn 100 England caps - but assured him he could be part of his plans for the future. It is understood that Capello told the 32-year-old he wanted his players to be match-fit, and that naming Beckham in his squad to face Switzerland next week would be unfair on those who have been playing in matches week-in, week-out. Beckham is very disappointed by the news, especially as he has been training with Arsenal during his holiday - Major League Soccer's close season - to get fit for Capello's first game in charge. He has however been encouraged by his talk with Capello about the future. In the phonecall, Capello told Beckham he was still part of his plans and that there was no reason why he will not pick him again as long as he is fit enough and playing well enough for the Los Angeles Galaxy. It is also understood that Capello had no issue with Beckham going to Brazil and Africa this week. Capello has a history of dropping the former Manchester United star, jettisoning him from the Real Madrid set-up after he signed for the Galaxy before, like Steve McClaren, recalling him as the season reached fever pitch. Here we go again, Now i know everyone will have a view and thats a fair shout but having looked at what some people have been saying on the Sky sports website (Sack the manager and all that) should we not give this man (Capello) a fair crack of the whip and see exactly what he can do ?. David beckham is still a good quality player but he has not been playing on a regular basis and has only been training with the Arse as his current club are on a break, Lets give CAPELLO a go before everyone starts the shouting of Sack him or Get him out. What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms no9 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 rumur on sky sports news is that capello wasnt to pleased at the fact he was on a beach in rio yesterday :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Capello dumped beckham for Real Madrid because he questioned his commitment to Real Madrid. Capello was hounded by the Spanish press and even his own players beratted him. He sees the error of his ways, renistates him and Real Madrid win the league. Why do you think Real Madrid dumped him. The club had every opportunity to keep Beckham but it would appear Capello was not to keen. McClaren that master manager also questioned Beckham's commitment and dumped him when England needed him most. McClaren also sees the error of his ways and includes him but it is far to late to save England and his own job. It seems justice thst both Capello and McClaren lost their jobs because of their treatment of Beckham. It is just a shame that loyalty and dignity graced by a great footballer is cast aside like rubbish The treatment by many against Beckham has been nothing short of sacndelous. But good on him he keeps his dignity much more than many of the dross which will be picked who are not capable of carrying his boots let alone wear them. Knowing Beckham he would have trained mercilously to play for his country, but once again he gets kicked in the teeth. Be very careful of this man Capello he may be like a lot of managers who maybe good for club football but do not have it when it comes to the internatiional stage. I hope I am wrong but be aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 What a great pity that we have another short-sighted idiot in control.Didn't Wenge comment on how fit Beckham is and to use him in a friendly to get that Cap would have been supported by all fair-minded Football Fans. Is this another one trying to appear tough? Bloody disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms no9 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 i think its a joke how you are taking this news if the manager doesnt think hes fit then he shouldnt be picked simple as that :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sullivan Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 There should'nt be any favours made just so he can get his 100th cap. It's INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL! I think Capello will make the changes needed to move our country on as a footballing nation. Disgrace is a harsh word, way over the top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairman Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopsie Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 What a great pity that we have another short-sighted idiot in control.Didn't Wenge comment on how fit Beckham is and to use him in a friendly to get that Cap would have been supported by all fair-minded Football Fans. Is this another one trying to appear tough? Bloody disgrace. I agree with tms no9, you're all totally overreacting. If the manager has other ideas it is his choice to select who the heck he wants. You're all jumping on Capello before you've even seen who is selected. Times change and new blood HAS TO be brought in to ensure we can move on as a footballing power, rather than continue being the international circus and laughing stock that we have become. Beckham IS a very good player BUT he simply is not match fit. Any footballer knows that you can be the fittest man on the planet but being "match fit" is a completely different thing. I notice than Aaron Lennon has been selected in the under 21 squad which is quite surprising. Hopefully it's Bentley that's given the nod and I'd imagine Wright-Phillips would be his back up?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms no9 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 thanks coopsie and agbonlehoer hasnt beem selected for the -21s so that means he must be in the full squad surely? :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sullivan Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I think Lescott will get the nod, also Agbonlehoer and maybe Ashley Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms no9 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 the england squad has been done woodgate is in owen is in hmmmmmm........match fitness? :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutchspur Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 No way should owen be in the squad. He has done nothing so far!!!!! Newcastle have only managed 2 (yes, TWO) shots on target since Keegan returned!!!! So much for this sexy football their fans been promised. Sounds like a bit of viagra is needed for these flops!!!!! Think David james' inclusion is long overdue. He has been by far the best english keeper for last couple seasons. And as for Beckham..... If he aint fit or in Capello's opinion not up to the job then he should not be selected!! You cannot select players for sentimental reasons in international football. Carragher threw a wobbly because he thought he was unfairly treated, why not just bring him back and make him captain? Paul Robinson made few mistakes, get him back in there....... if these players aint good enough then they should not be in the squad. Its about time we have a manager of our national side that has the bottle to select players in form and not just because they sell shirts or keep the ***** heads at the FA happy. COYS FOYG :yahoo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms no9 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 foyg thats new and i like it alot foyg :SM_carton: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck1961 Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I'm sorry, but lets just have a little look at Capello's calibre The man has been a success wherever he has been, firstly he developed an AC Milan side that, in the early 90's won Serie A 4 times in 5 years during which they went a record 58 games unbeaten, that team also won the European Cup (when it was a proper European Champions Cup, not the current sneak 4th in the league and ching ching we're in scenario!) by beating favourites Barcelona 4-0 in the final with a performance that people still talk about as being one of the most complete footballing performances ever seen. Then he goes to Real Madrid and wins La Liga in his only season, before being unfairly sacked after a disagreement at boardroom level, but the foundations he had put in place (signing Carlos, Suker, Mijatovic & Seedorf) allowed Real to go on and win Champions Leagues in the seasons following. He then returned to Italy to win Serie A with Roma and then twice with Juventus, before returning to Real Madrid last season to again win La Liga in his only season in charge! So maybe the accusation that Capello is a short-sighted idiot because of his decision not to include a player in the England squad who hasn't played a competitive game for 3 months, is currently contracted to a league that is, at best, the same standard as the Championship and is in the twlight of his playing career, is possibly the most scandalous thing that has been said so far on the discussion! As HutchSpur said it's about England had a manager (English or Foreign, I don't care) that has the balls to pick the best TEAM, and doesn't pander to these overrated, rich, 'superstars', who seem to care more about how many women they can kop off with on a night out than how the England football team do. Rant over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerkneeboy Posted January 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 England squad: David James (Portsmouth), Scott Carson (Aston Villa), Chris Kirkland (Wigan Athletic); Wayne Bridge (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Curtis Davies (Aston Villa), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United) Glen Johnson (Portsmouth), Ledley King (Tottenham Hotspur), Nicky Shorey (Reading), Wes Brown (Manchester United), Joleon Lescott (Everton), Micah Richards (Manchester City) Matthew Upson (West Ham United), Jonathan Woodgate (Tottenham Hotspur); Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Aston Villa), Jermaine Jenas (Tottenham Hotspur), Owen Hargreaves (Manchester United), Joe Cole (Chelsea), Ashley Young (Aston Villa), Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough), Shaun Wright-Phillips (Chelsea), David Bentley (Blackburn Rovers); Emile Heskey (Wigan Athletic), Gabriel Agbonlahor (Aston Villa) Michael Owen (Newcastle United), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Peter Crouch (Liverpool) Ok now i know i may be a little biast but can someone please tell me why the f**king hell Robert Green has not been included in this squad, No disrespect to any of the keepers that have and David James is a big yes for me as he is right on top of his game and ok Scott Carson at Villa is a good keeper but Kirkland over Green ? Well i guess time will tell and if that is what the manager thinks then so be it, Good luck to all involved and lets hope this is the start of a new era for English Football. :smiley20: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I just hope he gets it right. As I said, it was only him that didn't want Beckham to play at Madrid and now he has come up with a silly not fit excuse. I'm afraid a half fit Beckham is far to good to be left out. Its nothing about Capello being his own man. Having to bring back Beckham so that Madrid could win the league was forced on him by everyone. That must have left a bad taste in his mouth. No wonder Real madrid sacked him. This guy had better be good or he wont know what hit him. Forget the not worrying about the score bit. You put on an Engalnd shirt and that is your only job. Help make the team win Don't forget Capello has been with clubs that have had unlimited supply of money to field teams. I'm afraid we are going to have to put up with one man up front and everyone else behind the ball. As I said, he had better be good and the team wins matches. Reducing friendly games as nothing more than a training excercise is a disgrace, and an absolute insult to the fans who will pay anything to watch England play As I have said. He had better be good. he is unproven at international level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Postie Pidge Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I agree with cockerkneeboy, when Robert Green is playing so well, how can he be overlooked. David James has also been playing well but Chris Kirkland? Not bad but Green is better and on form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I thought scott carson still was a liverpool keeper he is only on loan at villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Postie Pidge Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 On November 10, 2007 Carson revealed that Villa and Liverpool have negotiated a deal to make the loan move permanent, valuing the young keeper at between £8-10m, which would make him the most expensive goalkeeper in Britain. [3] From Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopsie Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 But NO FEE has been paid and Villa may still try and make a move for Paul "fat boy" Robinson in the summer. Also, Craig Gordon cost Sunderland £9million. Cockerkneeboy, I think Robert Green needs to strap a fu#@ing huge wooden cross to his back and trapse through the streets of Jarusalem with a thorny crown on his head and endure rocks and stones being hurled at him from every direction, then raise the cross and have somebody nail him to it and leave him to die, then he must arise from his dead state and announce to all that he is the son of God. IF he does that, he MAY finally get noticed and earn the call up that EVERYBODY knows he actually deserves. I just can't get my head round it, Kirkland is average at best and in my opinion young Joe Hart at Man Citeh deserves to be well infront of him in the pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerkneeboy Posted February 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 But NO FEE has been paid and Villa may still try and make a move for Paul "fat boy" Robinson in the summer. Also, Craig Gordon cost Sunderland £9million. Cockerkneeboy, I think Robert Green needs to strap a fu#@ing huge wooden cross to his back and trapse through the streets of Jarusalem with a thorny crown on his head and endure rocks and stones being hurled at him from every direction, then raise the cross and have somebody nail him to it and leave him to die, then he must arise from his dead state and announce to all that he is the son of God. IF he does that, he MAY finally get noticed and earn the call up that EVERYBODY knows he actually deserves. I just can't get my head round it, Kirkland is average at best and in my opinion young Joe Hart at Man Citeh deserves to be well infront of him in the pecking order. Coopsie fella, I could not have put that any better myself thats just pure class my friend and you are right I also agree with you about Joe Hart (I forgot about him) as he was superb in the two games we recently played against them. Hope your well fella :smiley20: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Postie Pidge Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Joe Hart is in the under 21 squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest postman pat Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 capello should have picked beckham for the friendly.give him his 100th cap and brought him off to the standing ovation he deserves.anyone who wins 100 caps for their country deserves some respect, remember the hoo ha with both keegan and lineker.they where both let down badly after being good servants,lets not see the same mistake happen again. how many times in football has a player been out injured,played half a game for their club and then been picked for an important qualifier. dont give me this crap about being unfit it is an insult to a quality player coming to the end of his international career. after the switzerland game he has to earn his place like everyone else.its not like the squad is littered with new caps.its only a friendly capellos first! what a way to get the fans on his side if he had picked beckham?big pr opportunity lost me thinks :glare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
local_boy Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 I think capello is more likely to want to get a win than care about david beckham getting his hundredth cap, yeah it would be good to see beckham achieve this but would you rather see beckham get his cap and england lose or see england win without beckham (just a scenario) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Beckham is still the best crosser of a ball we have and the best dead ball specialist bently is to up himself at the moment and swp couldnt cross a T I think beckham should have been included he has took owen who is a shadow of his usual best and bloody heskey again and crouch who cant get a game at liverpool I would take becks over any of these players anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Beckham wasn't fit enough - having a kickabout with the Gooners isn't the same as competetive stuff in the Prem. His time may come again - then in may not. Time and tide waits for no man!! :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 wenger said on footie focus yesterday that he was amazed by beckhams fitness and work ethic in the six weeks he has trained with the arse match fit maybe not but then is crouch or heskey that match fit crouch especially hardly gets a kick for liverpool!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luffy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Heskey certainly aint fit coz he is injured. It will be interesting to see what happens when players who are at present injured return. Will he cut players to make way for them? Have to wait and see. Becks will get his chance and his 100th cap but he will just have to be patient. Hopefully Terry will keep the England Captains arm band he is by far the best candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 How is it that Wes Brown has made the cut for the England squad? Is he a better player than I give him credit for or is it because he plays for Man. Utd.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 How is it that Wes Brown has made the cut for the England squad? Is he a better player than I give him credit for or is it because he plays for Man. Utd.? I think you answered your own question there mate :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Hopefully Terry will keep the England Captains arm band he is by far the best candidate. I think you'll find it will be Gerrard on a long-term basis. He has one thing Terry hasn't got. A brain. :drink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luffy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Hopefully Terry will keep the England Captains arm band he is by far the best candidate. I think you'll find it will be Gerrard on a long-term basis. He has one thing Terry hasn't got. A brain. If Gerrard has got such a great brain why is he playing for a second rate team who are going to struggle to make Europe this year let alone a champion league spot. If he had any sense he would have joined Chelsea when he had a chance at least then he could have picked up a winners medal for being premiership champions, coz the only thing he is going to pick up before Liverpool win the league is his pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Gerrard didn't join Chelski because he has one major quality that is in short supply these days - loyalty. Also he has since won the Champions League which is one trophy the Blues can't buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luffy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Gerrard didn't join Chelski because he has one major quality that is in short supply these days - loyalty. Also he has since won the Champions League which is one trophy the Blues can't buy. The blues will eventually add the Champions League to their trophy cabinet, and I congratulate Gerrad for his Loyalty or is it for his lack of ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Gerrard didn't join Chelski because he has one major quality that is in short supply these days - loyalty. Also he has since won the Champions League which is one trophy the Blues can't buy. The blues will eventually add the Champions League to their trophy cabinet, and I congratulate Gerrad for his Loyalty or is it for his lack of ambition. What goes around comes around. Chelsea more or less had it their own way for a couple of years under Mourinho but they are finding it much tougher now. The sign of a top club is what Liverpool did for over 20 years in the late 60s, 70s, and 80s and Man. U did in the 90s. As for Chelsea "eventually" adding the big one, there are no certainties in football. Loyalty? Ambition? Gerrard has them both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Gerrard didn't join Chelski because he has one major quality that is in short supply these days - loyalty. Also he has since won the Champions League which is one trophy the Blues can't buy. The blues will eventually add the Champions League to their trophy cabinet, and I congratulate Gerrad for his Loyalty or is it for his lack of ambition. or did gerrard only stay because he was worried about his and his familys safety had he left which he seemed to be doing until burning shirts bearing his name went up all over scouse land :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 or did gerrard only stay because he was worried about his and his familys safety had he left which he seemed to be doing until burning shirts bearing his name went up all over scouse land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luffy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Liverpoool were a great club in the 60's 70's and 80's but since then they have been a giant in decline, yes it is going to be tougher to dominate, however, we will give it a really good go. It is just a same that a talent like Gerrad has to put up with being rotated instead of appreciated which he would have done if he had come to London, unfortuantely for him his chance has gone, maybe he could look to go to Everton in the summer so he can get champions league football next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Liverpoool were a great club in the 60's 70's and 80's but since then they have been a giant in decline, yes it is going to be tougher to dominate, however, we will give it a really good go. It is just a same that a talent like Gerrad has to put up with being rotated instead of appreciated which he would have done if he had come to London, unfortuantely for him his chance has gone, maybe he could look to go to Everton in the summer so he can get champions league football next season. Even David Moyes admits we'll finish above the toffees! Mind you, Chelsea still need to cement a Champions League place for next season so perhaps it will be LFC and EFC! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A One And A Six Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I think we (England fans) should just sit back, stop moaning about Beckham and everything else, enjoy the football for what it is at Euro 2008 and let Mr Capello get on with his job. He knows what he's doing, he's a great calibre manager and we should feel lucky to have him. If he dosent do the bizz in the end we'l be in no worse position then we are now so lets just back and wait and see. Personally i think we're gonna win the 2010 World Cup, who's with me? :yahoo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luffy Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Liverpoool were a great club in the 60's 70's and 80's but since then they have been a giant in decline, yes it is going to be tougher to dominate, however, we will give it a really good go. It is just a same that a talent like Gerrad has to put up with being rotated instead of appreciated which he would have done if he had come to London, unfortuantely for him his chance has gone, maybe he could look to go to Everton in the summer so he can get champions league football next season. Even David Moyes admits we'll finish above the toffees! Mind you, Chelsea still need to cement a Champions League place for next season so perhaps it will be LFC and EFC! NAAA .........The usual suspects Chelsea, Arsenal and United and one from four.....all the best for the rest of the season :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midfield Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 NAAA .........The usual suspects Chelsea, Arsenal and United and one from four.....all the best for the rest of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammers Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Cockerkneeboy, I fully agree with your comments, let us not shoot the Manager before he has even had a shot at the Job, David Beckham is a really nice guy, & I am sure that he will stay positive, I am glad that the new manager is also looking at some newer players, I am also glad that he has ditched Robonson, in my book he was just not up to the job, Hammers :c: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_and_l Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Cockerkneeboy, I fully agree with your comments, let us not shoot the Manager before he has even had a shot at the Job, David Beckham is a really nice guy, & I am sure that he will stay positive, I am glad that the new manager is also looking at some newer players, I am also glad that he has ditched Robonson, in my book he was just not up to the job, Hammers neither is kirkland but mr cappello has seen fit to take him for the friendly why is it that players never seem to be picked on form how can kirkland be in good form when his team is in a relagation battle!!!!!!! :angry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 It was also odd to see Don Corlioni do his first England press conference in his native language. Not the best fo starts. But at least he wants the players to smarten up, remove them of their mobiles, go to meals together and actually look like they are representing their country by wearing blazers. Nice touch. All we need now is a win against Switzerland and we will think he is god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sport Lover Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think the discipline side of things is very important, basically football players have to much power and being told what to do and when isnt such a bad thing, good on Capello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopsie Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 :huh: How is it that Wes Brown has made the cut for the England squad? Is he a better player than I give him credit for or is it because he plays for Man. Utd.? I'll tell you what midfield, If we're to believe what's in the papers today, you're going to be a very happy man . It appears that Joe Cole will be given license to roam in "the hole" behind Wayne Rooney and infront of a midfield led by skipper Steven Gerrard. Owen Hargreaves or Gareth Barry will play the holding role with David Bentley and Ashley Young providing the width. They reckon that Woodgate or Upson will partner Ferdinand in the middle of defence (surely it MUST be Woodgate?), with Ashley Cole at left back and here's the good bit... Wes Brown is expected to start at right back instead of Micah Richards . David James is RIGHTLY expected to fill the gap between the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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