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It's the people using it mate that's the issue. There weren't much controversy at the men's world cup. There needs to be alot more training.

Did you hear about the ref in the Brazil Uruguay game who was told to use it twice and ignored it? Not sure what's happening with him but sounds like he was taking a stand 👀

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7 hours ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

VAR...the end of football as we know it.

Should be left to the referee's decisions taken in real time. 

2 hours plus games looming...rubbish for me.

It seems also that the referee has the final decision whether she/he uses VAR or not ? And - as for the time taken waiting, perhaps to take a penalty or not, does nothing for the players waiting, or the supporters either. I agree older, 99.9 % of the time referees get it spot on. That said, the standard of the officials in this world cup I think, is not good. The amount of fouls that are missed (or overlooked ?) and the ball going out of play and there is no flag. FIFA really should get their act together. In my opinion.

The standard of referees in our country, in all the leagues top to bottom, is excellent in my opinion. They do a difficult job very well indeed.

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It's a no from me, get rid of VAR.

Sort of thing that works pretty well in cricket and both rugby codes where there are natural breaks in the action, but not in football.  

And, as for the "referees mistakes can cost a club millions" rubbish, then premier league clubs should stop wasting it (for example, read that Man United have only stopped paying David Moyes a salary in the past month).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think we will be talking more about the referees than the players for the first part of the season. There will still be disagreements. My biggest fear is the time it will take. Won’t be able to cheer a goal at the time, will have to wait for VAR.

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On 06/07/2019 at 07:08, Keith B said:

Interesting comment Daren. Would you like to expand on that ?

VAR isn’t wrong. 

The handball law is crazy although they are ironing it out by saying every ball that hits the hand/arm is a penalty when in the penalty area. 

The offside law. Having a toe offside is not gaining an advantage but according to the offside law it is now. 

VAR was meant to be for ‘clear and obvious’ errors. That’s my only issue with it. 

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8 hours ago, St Darren said:

VAR isn’t wrong. 

The handball law is crazy although they are ironing it out by saying every ball that hits the hand/arm is a penalty when in the penalty area. 

The offside law. Having a toe offside is not gaining an advantage but according to the offside law it is now. 

VAR was meant to be for ‘clear and obvious’ errors. That’s my only issue with it. 

Thanks Daren. Agree - but we all know that there are certainly times when ''ball to hand' is something that happens and, there is no intent to handle and there is no advantage gained. How can it be fair under those circumstances to award a penalty. Frankly, seeing defenders running, often backwards, with their hands behind their backs is bizarre and can often effect a player's balance and, in my opinion, is too much interference in the game by the lawmakers.

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On 07/07/2019 at 22:07, St Darren said:

VAR isn’t wrong. 

The handball law is crazy although they are ironing it out by saying every ball that hits the hand/arm is a penalty when in the penalty area. 

The offside law. Having a toe offside is not gaining an advantage but according to the offside law it is now. 

VAR was meant to be for ‘clear and obvious’ errors. That’s my only issue with it. 

Not true regarding a penalty if hits hand in area.

More so the other way round, if the ball hits an attacker’s hand, who then goes on to score/create a goal scoring opportunity will be penalised with handball.

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7 minutes ago, bighairydave said:

Not true regarding a penalty if hits hand in area.

More so the other way round, if the ball hits an attacker’s hand, who then goes on to score/create a goal scoring opportunity will be penalised with handball.

I understood that if the ball hits your arm in the penalty area from next season it is a penalty. 

I see Riley has come out and said that they will not let VAR over take the referees in the premier league 

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The rule affecting goalkeeper movements at penalties is interesting because according to the letter of the law, it renders any shot directed firmly towards the cornet of the net impossible to save unless the keeper is nine feet tall. Most of us in tin-mining country find it convenient to be shorter than that.

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7 hours ago, isaac rosenberg said:

The rule affecting goalkeeper movements at penalties is interesting because according to the letter of the law, it renders any shot directed firmly towards the cornet of the net impossible to save unless the keeper is nine feet tall. Most of us in tin-mining country find it convenient to be shorter than that.

As said above - too much interference in the game by the law makers. Sad but interesting, last evening on the late news it was announced that VAR would be fully operational in the Premier League starting this coming season. Oh dear, one suspects there will be chaos at times, if not all the time. I'm surprised that the Premier League haven't made objections to the FA.

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I am one of the unfortunate old men who regard the 1960's as the best era to have lived through and that since then we've gone downhill . The music was better than today ( can rap be regarded as music ? ) people had a wider vocabulary than " wow , amazing , awesome  and I was like  " and football was an exciting simple game .

Even so I have to grudgingly accept that a little bit of technology would improve the professional game . In spite of that I think that coupled with this farcical new handball rule its gone too far . I think over the coming season  we will have never ending debates over VAR  decisions particularly offside . Giving an offside because a players hand is offside  will cause more controversy  than if the lines official missed  a marginal one .

One other thing about VAR  , and I accept that this is a  pathetic comment to make  . If it is used in the lower leagues and there are several instances during a game where it is used the game will be extended by several minutes . Now taking  my trip to Plymouth home games  as an example  , or even Ipswich home games I have a similar scenario , at the end of the game I have 20 minutes to sprint down the hill , the hill the equivalent of Kilimanjaro going to the game , to the station and catch the train . Now if there are 8 , for example , reviews each taking 1 and a half minutes  that's 12 minutes extra  time plus the normal added time . Result , myself and several hundred people have to sit at Plymouth station for over an hour for the next train , which will crowded  at that time anyway . A minor point against VAR  I agree but  multiply this all over the country  and there will be several thousand fed up fans .    

Finally I agree with Sean Dyche , its all very well bringing in new technology  but when are the governing bodies going to act on the simple things that are ruining the game dissent , play acting an injury and other forms of cheating .We don't need technology for that , just a bit of courage . Also while I think of it will VAR sort out shirt pulling and holding in corners and free kicks . If it does I'll miss the next train to St. Austell as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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10 hours ago, fenman said:

I am one of the unfortunate old men who regard the 1960's as the best era to have lived through and that since then we've gone downhill . The music was better than today ( can rap be regarded as music ? ) people had a wider vocabulary than " wow , amazing , awesome  and I was like  " and football was an exciting simple game .

Even so I have to grudgingly accept that a little bit of technology would improve the professional game . In spite of that I think that coupled with this farcical new handball rule its gone too far . I think over the coming season  we will have never ending debates over VAR  decisions particularly offside . Giving an offside because a players hand is offside  will cause more controversy  than if the lines official missed  a marginal one .

One other thing about VAR  , and I accept that this is a  pathetic comment to make  . If it is used in the lower leagues and there are several instances during a game where it is used the game will be extended by several minutes . Now taking  my trip to Plymouth home games  as an example  , or even Ipswich home games I have a similar scenario , at the end of the game I have 20 minutes to sprint down the hill , the hill the equivalent of Kilimanjaro going to the game , to the station and catch the train . Now if there are 8 , for example , reviews each taking 1 and a half minutes  that's 12 minutes extra  time plus the normal added time . Result , myself and several hundred people have to sit at Plymouth station for over an hour for the next train , which will crowded  at that time anyway . A minor point against VAR  I agree but  multiply this all over the country  and there will be several thousand fed up fans .    

Finally I agree with Sean Dyche , its all very well bringing in new technology  but when are the governing bodies going to act on the simple things that are ruining the game dissent , play acting an injury and other forms of cheating .We don't need technology for that , just a bit of courage . Also while I think of it will VAR sort out shirt pulling and holding in corners and free kicks . If it does I'll miss the next train to St. Austell as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Well I fully agree with your last para FENMAN. You lost me a few times with the other three. :)

PS - I'm one of the old timers too - was an officer with the P&O Line in the 60's. Thought it was just great earning a living doing world cruises.

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Sorry I lost you Keith B . the point I was trying to make was that the use of VAR  could have a wider impact than just making correct decisions . If it is used a lot in a game the game could go on for much longer than the 90-ish minutes . People using public transport could end up missing trains and connections etc . Train and bus timetables don't run to suit football fan's . Only a small point to make against its use .

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Takes me back to when as young teenagers we had to leave Home Park five/ten minutes and run down through Central Park to still stand a chance of catching the last train of the day back into Cornwall!

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9 hours ago, fenman said:

Sorry I lost you Keith B . the point I was trying to make was that the use of VAR  could have a wider impact than just making correct decisions . If it is used a lot in a game the game could go on for much longer than the 90-ish minutes . People using public transport could end up missing trains and connections etc . Train and bus timetables don't run to suit football fan's . Only a small point to make against its use .

Ah thank you sir, understood now. A small but valid point. Years ago, Southern Railway used to put on special trains for football fans. You still had to get out of the ground smartish though to catch the train. I'm talking about fans of Portsmouth, Southampton and Bournemouth. Not so much traffic on the roads in those days though.

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Yes I remember the football specials .I remember Kings Lynn town playing in the FA cup in the 60's , I can't recall where but it might have been Everton , a special train was laid on . Sadly the rail people don't seem to take into account the extra passengers for match days . There was a fiasco last week when Norwich City played Newcastle at home , the trains from  south Norfolk and North Suffolk were full at their starting point so fans from the stations down the line had to find alternative transport . Even the GWR  don't seem to allow for extra passengers for a Plymouth home game . Every time I've gone from St. Austell the 2 carriage train is packed . As I type this another goal has been disallowed after a VAR  referral .

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