cornishteddyboy Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 LWC Drinks Cornwall Combination League Constitution 2019-20 The following clubs will be members of the League for the coming season Carharrack Hayle Reserves Helston Athletic Thirds Lizard Argyle Marazion Blues Pendeen Rovers Penryn Athletic Reserves Perranporth Reserves Porthleven Reserves RNAS Culdrose Rosudgeon Ruan Minor St Agnes Reserves St Day Reserves Wendron United Thirds The League thank all clubs for their applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArseneWanger Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Marazion blues aka reformed penwith exiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ715 Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Marazion from trelawny division 4? footballlegend7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Marazion aka Mousehole.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Marazion - A Club that’s folded more times then a cowboy in a saloon bar playing Texas hold-em!!! 4 division jump they must have had a speech of ‘Churchilian’ proportions to be accepted i am still of the opinion the 5 remaining clubs in the Combo if absorbed into Trelawny Premier would have made it the most competitive evenly matched league it could be with minimum impact and clear promotion and relegation to St Piran but sadly that doesn’t seem to have ever been an option! Now we have this hybrid league thrown together with potentially mis matched sides that originated from over 5 divisions! Anyway it is what it is so no going back now!!! Will grab the popcorn and look for the entertaining scorelines on a Saturday night Alf, Dave Bartlam and peggy78 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Marazion back where they belong. Been looking forward to this for ages! Are they Marazion or Marazion Blues? Blues were the old club, didn't know if the Mousehole influence included the Blues part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterix Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Absolute Farce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Only five clubs voted on any new clubs because all other clubs had to apply for league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, skinner said: Only five clubs voted on any new clubs because all other clubs had to apply for league I forgot about this aspect because of all the withdrawals! I’m not exactly sure how the voting was structured because I wasn’t there and don’t know the league’s rules, but at a guess did each club only need to win 3 votes in order to get into the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Chown Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 On the night the five remaining clubs voted plus the League committee members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Richard Chown said: On the night the five remaining clubs voted plus the League committee members. Gotcha. Thanks, Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 So the league committee members, of whom there were five ? six ? more ? had more power than the clubs themselves. Still Vidal and John fiddling away in the Kellaway League and the Gala Parc Memorial Cup. then ! Hilarious ! The Trelawny League ruined so Roberts can keep his retirement hobby ! Could only happen in Kernow ! peggy78 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 By my calculation there will be 170 less Combo fixtures compared to when there was 20 teams in the league. Is there going to be too few fixtures for all the referees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 Have to find an extra 16 refs a week for St Piran league first !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, zebedee said: Have to find an extra 16 refs a week for St Piran league first !! Why an extra 16 refs for St Piran League? Currently, at least 2 Clubs have folded in Cornwall, so unless Duchy & Trelawny League have new teams voted in, we have considerably fewer "recreational teams" over-all than last year. The total number of fixtures in the County will remain much the same. Admittedly, SWPL will need more Assistants but that is the only area which creates greater demands on officials; I understand that, to ease that problem, some of them will come from Devon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, John Mead said: Why an extra 16 refs for St Piran League? Currently, at least 2 Clubs have folded in Cornwall, so unless Duchy & Trelawny League have new teams voted in, we have considerably fewer "recreational teams" over-all than last year. The total number of fixtures in the County will remain much the same. Admittedly, SWPL will need more Assistants but that is the only area which creates greater demands on officials; I understand that, to ease that problem, some of them will come from Devon! Ouch! That'll be expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Dave Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 15 teams? Crazy, surely you could add 1 more team in?? Or has common sense gone out the window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Cornish Dave said: 15 teams? Crazy, surely you could add 1 more team in?? Or has common sense gone out the window? The AGM rejected 2 other applications for differing reasons, so the outcome was a 15 team League. There was no other option once the voting had taken place; rules have to be followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Dave Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 hours ago, John Mead said: The AGM rejected 2 other applications for differing reasons, so the outcome was a 15 team League. There was no other option once the voting had taken place; rules have to be followed. But 15 teams, seriously?? Sure a lot of people won’t want to sit out every weekend and it’s no wonder the players lose interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bartlam Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Cornish Dave said: But 15 teams, seriously?? Sure a lot of people won’t want to sit out every weekend and it’s no wonder the players lose interest. They could register for a Trelawny or Duchy side and help bolster numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Having a "spare" team each week helps with rescheduling fixtures due to cup runs and also slightly helps ref appointments. Not an ideal situation but better than the 5 teams we were left with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Are you still allowing the arrangement where Culdrose don't have to play at Leave times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 Happy birthday Mr Deacon enjoy your day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Dave Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Dave Bartlam said: They could register for a Trelawny or Duchy side and help bolster numbers. Yes correct they could but how hard is it to add one more team? Can’t use much as an excuse considering one team jumped 4 league. Baffles me that some people are happy to allow it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 For all of you putting the boot in about the combination league committee , instead of moaning , get out from behind your keyboard and stand for election to the committee , what they do is voluntary , they have had to adapt to a change of leagues imposed by the FA , and to their credit they have continued the combo league . So credit to all involved , if there is blame look to the FA . It's all new to everyone so give it a chance hopefully it will level off in a couple of seasons . As stated on previous posts its recreational football , football is what we enjoy , negative posts are not helpful . Dave Bartlam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Cornish Dave said: Yes correct they could but how hard is it to add one more team? Can’t use much as an excuse considering one team jumped 4 league. Baffles me that some people are happy to allow it So, where would "one more team" come from? Teams can only be admitted at an AGM. Also, who has the right to "allow it" other than those who voted at the AGM? League rules and democratic processes were followed and the outcome was 15 teams. That's how it is; no-one else's approval is necessary. stevieb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Are you still allowing the arrangement where Culdrose don't have to play at Leave times? Interesting as Culdrose don’t operate a ‘block’ leave policy (except at Xmas!) any more so in my view they should be held to the same standard as other Clubs during summer/Easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Dave Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 hours ago, John Mead said: So, where would "one more team" come from? Teams can only be admitted at an AGM. Also, who has the right to "allow it" other than those who voted at the AGM? League rules and democratic processes were followed and the outcome was 15 teams. That's how it is; no-one else's approval is necessary. 15 teams! It’s shocking no matter what you think. How many leagues have an odd number? Only Cornwall FA can allow this without thinking properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Cornish Dave said: 15 teams! It’s shocking no matter what you think. How many leagues have an odd number? Only Cornwall FA can allow this without thinking properly. Cornwall FA have no say in this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bartlam Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 The clubs were the ones that had the vote to allow a potential 17 teams into the league. The club's decided not to allow Lanner to enter (due to facilities) and St Ives Reserves not to enter (because they are a newly formed team). Therefore, the club's had their say and their opinions won. I wasn't at the Combo AGM but I can imagine that their officers abstained from voting on this matter. Thatis hpw it should be. The member clubs have their say and the majority prevail. The Cornwall FA have no say on who enters what league. They are simply the governing body of all affiliated football in the county. They let the league's run themselves and only get involved when absolutely necessary. The club's had their say, it's the way democracy works. Now, let's get on with 19/20 and go again stevieb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Patterson Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Dave Bartlam said: The clubs were the ones that had the vote to allow a potential 17 teams into the league. The club's decided not to allow Lanner to enter (due to facilities) and St Ives Reserves not to enter (because they are a newly formed team). Therefore, the club's had their say and their opinions won. I wasn't at the Combo AGM but I can imagine that their officers abstained from voting on this matter. Thatis hpw it should be. The member clubs have their say and the majority prevail. The Cornwall FA have no say on who enters what league. They are simply the governing body of all affiliated football in the county. They let the league's run themselves and only get involved when absolutely necessary. The club's had their say, it's the way democracy works. Now, let's get on with 19/20 and go again The 5 member clubs as well as the 10 or so league committee members voted on it. TheolderIgetthebetterIwas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 From memory, only 1 club voted in favour of Lanner and none in favour of St Ives. Officers and Committee are entitled to cast a vote as well but didn't affect the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bartlam Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 In many cases, I would expect that the Committee would leave the decision to the club's anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 19/06/2019 at 14:00, BAGMAN said: Interesting as Culdrose don’t operate a ‘block’ leave policy (except at Xmas!) any more so in my view they should be held to the same standard as other Clubs during summer/Easter. Bagman. You know as well as I do that the no block leave policy makes it even worse. A longer period of vastly reduced manning than block leave. Every bloody year we answer the same question! And tbh I thought better of it coming from someone such as yourself! Rudders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 So does one team get a bye into the quarter final of the cup ? Why not introduce mini-leagues in the the early stages to get a few more games ? And has it already been decided to play the final at Gala Parc ? Interesting to hear from those with experience elsewhere about the gentlemanly assumption that officers would leave voting to the clubs. There are probably democracies where they come from, rather than the Loe Pool Oberfuhrer. Look at the figures. Five clubs, TEN officers. Course they voted ! Farce ! Nothing new there, of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagull4ever Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, isaac rosenberg said: So does one team get a bye into the quarter final of the cup ? Why not introduce mini-leagues in the the early stages to get a few more games ? And has it already been decided to play the final at Gala Parc ? Interesting to hear from those with experience elsewhere about the gentlemanly assumption that officers would leave voting to the clubs. There are probably democracies where they come from, rather than the Loe Pool Oberfuhrer. Look at the figures. Five clubs, TEN officers. Course they voted ! Farce ! Nothing new there, of course ! Yawn 4 hours ago, Scooby said: Bagman. You know as well as I do that the no block leave policy makes it even worse. A longer period of vastly reduced manning than block leave. Every bloody year we answer the same question! And tbh I thought better of it coming from someone such as yourself! Yawn!! With such a vast array of people to cool upon there is no reason why you cant start the same time as everyone else...and considering half your team are local anyway there is no excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 20/06/2019 at 18:48, Scooby said: Bagman. You know as well as I do that the no block leave policy makes it even worse. A longer period of vastly reduced manning than block leave. Every bloody year we answer the same question! And tbh I thought better of it coming from someone such as yourself! But surely it would alleviate the annual struggle for Culdrose to play 3/4 times a week at the end of the season when the base is again on ROP leave as you have already played a number of games in August ? You always to your credit usually fulfill your fixtures in April/May and I’m willing to bet if you took a poll of your lads how many would rather play in Aug/Sep vice 3 times a week in Apr/May it may surprise you? I’m guessing the advantage of players from SWPL clubs helps during end of season as well as they aren’t available to Culdrose in early season? Good debate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Culdrose playing catch up at the end of the season extends the season for every team they play as well. It also means that teams that play them have blank weeks during the season so that they are not faced with a 3 or 4 week break before playing Culdrose. It was more "acceptable" when all Culdrose players were in the Navy. When they changed that situation to allow "civilians" to play, Culdrose did agree that they would accept fixtures like all other Clubs. However, with the apparent backing of the RNFA, that is no longer the case. It is manageable for the League but not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Nothing new about civilians playing for Culdrose though it may be more prevalent now. My eldest made his 'Senior' debut for them just after he turned 16 in a game at St Ives. And he saved a penalty conceded by Kev McHale. Ian's now 40! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 My memory isn't as good as it could be, particularly when recalling the exact timing of past events! However, I was at a Combination League meeting when Culdrose were re-admitted into the League, following their enforced break due to the Falklands crisis. I think that "civies" were not permitted prior to 1980/81 season and the Culdrose representative agreed that they would be able to be fixtured normally, following the change in RNFA regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted June 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John Mead said: My memory isn't as good as it could be, particularly when recalling the exact timing of past events! However, I was at a Combination League meeting when Culdrose were re-admitted into the League, following their enforced break due to the Falklands crisis. I think that "civies" were not permitted prior to 1980/81 season and the Culdrose representative agreed that they would be able to be fixtured normally, following the change in RNFA regulations. Falklands War was 1982. Culdrose had one season out of the League 1987-88. I remember reading they left because of the stick they were getting from the League and other sides. They rejoined for the 1988-89 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 Nothing changes. What isn’t helpful is RN Personnel producing counter arguments and undermining the Unit side purely because of allegiances to other clubs. Nothing changes, enemies within the base undermining all the good work we do trying to give lads football for the Unit. Spreading the 20 year lie it’s a click, offering brown envelopes etc. We all know who the characters are and have always been. More money around these days except we cannot change. Usual arguments, usual people. John, I produced the letter before 2 seasons running, do I need to a third time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted June 22, 2019 Report Share Posted June 22, 2019 I would also like to add that the kids coming through have surnames such as Plenty, Hounsome and Leslie? If the family are on leave the whole family are on leave. Our civilians have to be majority service dependents anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 I've no problem with the way Culdrose are fixtured, Scooby. I was just trying to attach some "history" to the story - the dates of which I've obviously got wrong according to CTB - and explain the knock-on effect. As you know, Trelawny League have a similar situation with CSofM. Both Clubs are being catered for by their respective Leagues - which is the right thing to do, in my opinion. 14 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Falklands War was 1982. Culdrose had one season out of the League 1987-88. I remember reading they left because of the stick they were getting from the League and other sides. They rejoined for the 1988-89 season I'm sure that Culdrose had to drop out part-way through a season due to personnel being urgently deployed somewhere!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted June 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, John Mead said: I'm sure that Culdrose had to drop out part-way through a season due to personnel being urgently deployed somewhere!? No, completed the seasons http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/culdroseleaguerecord.htm If you look Culdrose will be the second club to pass 2000 league games after St Just managed it last season. Was it RAF St Mawgan you were thinking of John? http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/rafleaguerecord.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, cornishteddyboy said: No, completed the seasons http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/culdroseleaguerecord.htm If you look Culdrose will be the second club to pass 2000 league games after St Just managed it last season. Was it RAF St Mawgan you were thinking of John? http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/rafleaguerecord.htm No, I'm sure it was Culdrose who had to drop out due to operational commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 4 hours ago, John Mead said: No, I'm sure it was Culdrose who had to drop out due to operational commitments. I have a similar recollection John though I can't pin it down in my brain. Was it maybe the Falmouth-Helston side and the Combo side kept going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Steve Carpenter said: I have a similar recollection John though I can't pin it down in my brain. Was it maybe the Falmouth-Helston side and the Combo side kept going? Possibly, Steve but I just cannot think what event prompted them to drop out of the Combo! What I can remember is the AGM when they re-entered the League. I doubt anyone knows where the minutes of that meeting are now! 8 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: No, completed the seasons http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/culdroseleaguerecord.htm If you look Culdrose will be the second club to pass 2000 league games after St Just managed it last season. Was it RAF St Mawgan you were thinking of John? http://www.cornwallcomboleague.co.uk/rafleaguerecord.htm No, I'm sure it was Culdrose who had to drop out due to operational commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 Was it for the gulf war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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