Statement re LWC Drinks Cornwall Combination League Constitution 2019-20 - UPDATE

[cornishteddyboy]

There WILL BE a Combination League next season.
Tonight we heard we had applications from 9 Trelawny League sides plus a Duchy side wants to move over. With the current 5 sides this will make at least 14, possibly 15 sides in the league. The League is allowed to run on a minimum of 14 to maximum of 16 sides.
In the next 24hrs the League will be in contact with these clubs by email to confirm that they still want to become members as some of the applications were received very early in the St Piran Saga. 
Once confirmed we will provide a list of clubs.
There could be a couple of spaces for very late applications! Get an email in now.
The League will also arrange a meeting with the Trelawny League to facilitate the smooth handover of sides.

[Dave Bartlam]

To save the Combination League, 9 teams could be going up from the Trelawny League.

That will definitely see the disbanding of Division 4, possibly even impacting on Division 3 as well. 

I fear for the future of the Trelawny League. I give it 5 more seasons until we are down to just 2-3 divisions. Whilst the league will always survive and have teams playing in it, more teams are folding which is taking football away from towns and villages. 

Personal opinion - lash up! Whilst I get why the FA has made the decision it has, the Combination League and ECPL should have taken on the new league system under their own umbrella! 

[peggy78]

Annnnnd once again where you finish in the Trelawny League counts for very little. Whilst the league has been run well, how many restructures has it had in it's short lifespan?

[Dave Bartlam]

18 minutes ago, peggy78 said:

Annnnnd once again where you finish in the Trelawny League counts for very little. Whilst the league has been run well, how many restructures has it had in it's short lifespan?

Too many Too many teams folding hasn't helped and now we are losing another handful - not to mention those clubs that aren't seeking to continue playing next season.

 

It's worrying.

[Guest]

Should of stuck with, Mining league / Falmouth Helston leagues 

[chesterfield]

I hope that the restructure in some way benifits the teams that finished in promotion places 

[fudge]

does this mean mariners have gone up again? if so its a complete farch and a total joke

[Dave Bartlam]

5 minutes ago, fudge said:

does this mean mariners have gone up again? if so its a complete farch and a total joke

You'll have to wait and see Fudgey. It's something that the Trelawny Committee will need to sit down and discuss at length

[Guest]

Makes Saturday football totally pointless these days, with results not worth a in the wind come the end of the season. You could lose 75% of games and still gain promotion, totally worth it, and a great initiative, come 2.30pm, on Saturdays. 

"Alright lads, just enjoy it, if we win we win, if we lose we gain promotion"

 

Also totally disrespectful, towards league winner etc, as tarnishes their actual league winning campaign. Bit shoddy and poor to be honest guys, and girls. 

[fudge]

10 hours ago, Asterix said:

Makes Saturday football totally pointless these days, with results not worth a  in the wind come the end of the season. You could lose 75% of games and still gain promotion, totally worth it, and a great initiative, come 2.30pm, on Saturdays. 

"Alright lads, just enjoy it, if we win we win, if we lose we gain promotion"

 

Also totally disrespectful, towards league winner etc, as tarnishes their actual league winning campaign. Bit shoddy and poor to be honest guys, and girls. 

total agree asterix! This news has really me off! just hope we dnt go up for finishing 8th or 9th.would be nice to have a season with hope of a title chance rather than a relegation fight.

[cornishteddyboy]

Posted May 26, 2011

Key meeting dates

 

The following meetings will take place over the next month leading up to the official formation of the Trelawney League. Calling notices will be sent by the respective League Secretaries.

 

9th June. Combination League AGM.

10th June. Falmouth/Helston League Management Committee pre-AGM Meeting.

14th June. Falmouth/Helston AGM, 7:30pm at Helston FC.

22nd June. Mining League AGM.

27th June. Trelawny League Management Committee pre-AGM meeting.

29th June. Inaugural Trelawny League AGM, 7:30pm at Holman SC.

 

Steve Carpenter

[Whistle Blower]

8 years too late?!

[John Mead]

The Trelawny League has had to deal with multiple promotions throughout it's relatively short history. Team's have to be placed into divisions based on their finishing position across the whole league from, say, 1st to 70th. It seems the only way to do it!

All League champions are recorded in the history of the League and no-one can take that achievement from them. The fact that other teams are promoted as well doesn't lessen that achievement either.

If anyone can suggest a different way of dealing with the situation, I'm sure the League and member Clubs would gladly consider it.

[John Mead]

10 hours ago, Dave Bartlam said:

 

Personal opinion - lash up! Whilst I get why the FA has made the decision it has, the Combination League and ECPL should have taken on the new league system under their own umbrella! 

If the original FA decision was to have two Step 7 divisions, I'm sure that could have happened. It could have been difficult to get alignment on some issues to ensure commonality between the two Leagues but it would have been achievable. However, it didn't happen and hindsight doesn't solve the problem of the late change of tack from 16 to 32 Clubs at Step 7.

Both Trelawny and Combo Leagues have to deal with the situation as best they can, while accepting it's not the position either would have chosen to be in.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, John Mead said:

The Trelawny League has had to deal with multiple promotions throughout it's relatively short history. Team's have to be placed into divisions based on their finishing position across the whole league from, say, 1st to 70th. It seems the only way to do it!

All League champions are recorded in the history of the League and no-one can take that achievement from them. The fact that other teams are promoted as well doesn't lessen that achievement either.

If anyone can suggest a different way of dealing with the situation, I'm sure the League and member Clubs would gladly consider it.

Technicalities say your very correct John, but try saying that to a team who have slogged away all year, rain and shine, to then get the same promotion, as a 8th placed side, who they stuffed  6-1, and 4-0 respectively in the years fixtures. It's a bitter pill to swallow I bet most clubs would agree 

37 minutes ago, John Mead said:

If the original FA decision was to have two Step 7 divisions, I'm sure that could have happened. It could have been difficult to get alignment on some issues to ensure commonality between the two Leagues but it would have been achievable. However, it didn't happen and hindsight doesn't solve the problem of the late change of tack from 16 to 32 Clubs at Step 7.

Both Trelawny and Combo Leagues have to deal with the situation as best they can, while accepting it's not the position either would have chosen to be in.

You're very correct John but I'm going to say that some teams will think that finishing in the Promotion place or winning the league compared to someone finishing 7th and getting the same result even after beating them 4-1 and 6-0 in the league makes it a bitter pill to swallow. You're seeing it on here most days people saying that it's too big a step into the next League when they finished 7th in the retrospective League that year. I do think that the transition has had plenty of time to adjust now and it's time to admit defeat. Can someone clarify why the Trelawny League started and mining league and Falmouth Helston League was demolished.

[UtilityMan]

Unfortunately surely this is going to finish off teams in the long run, i can think of hand full of teams right of the top of my head who were promoted by default and struggled this year due to the standard being a bit too much for them..... 

Its a catch 22 wanting to get more teams and players playing but also me personally still thought there was far too many games int he Trelawney League last season and just in general (Another reason for people losing interest) 

Just all a bit of a lash up AGAIN with all the leagues...... Seems pointless competing for titles currently in Jnr Football better off being competitive and getting similar rewards/ Punishments (Depending how you look at it)

[Dave James]

This is exactly the point I was trying to make about Divs of 12 teams .Although Premier and Div 1 will get a lot of changes if you keep pushing more teams up to make Divs of 16 you will get the top few teams hammering the lower teams week in week out . Who really wants that ?

Also we will get less refs this year which has to be factored in with games having to be played or voided next season.

16 teams you have to play every week come what may. 30 matches with possibly 20 refs each week

12 teams Divs, with a more equal playing ability, you can spread games out a bit with a better chance of an official ref ...surely that makes better sense ???

[Guest]

This is what I mean guys, clubs folding because the standard was too high for the players they had etc. Common sense, collateral damage in the end. 

[Dave Bartlam]

It'll all be okay in the end. It's the initial shock of what's going on and the uncertainty which has everyone bombarding social media at the moment. The league's will adapt and overcome and the club's can hopefully enjoy their football.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

1 hour ago, Dave Bartlam said:

It'll all be okay in the end. It's the initial shock of what's going on and the uncertainty which has everyone bombarding social media at the moment. The league's will adapt and overcome and the club's can hopefully enjoy their football.

Correct. 

[Robin Tucker]

restructuring/renaming has happened throughout football

in 1992 Carlise finished bottom of Division 4. In 1993, they finished 18th in Division 3

in 2004 Scunthorpe finished 22nd in Divison 3.  In 2005 they finished 2nd in League 2,

Were they promoted, no - the league above changed names (creation on Premier League, then championship)  and as such so did the lower leagues. - They were still the same Level, Tier, Step - whatever the fashionable name is, just called a different name

[peggy78]

1 hour ago, Robin Tucker said:

restructuring/renaming has happened throughout football

in 1992 Carlise finished bottom of Division 4. In 1993, they finished 18th in Division 3

in 2004 Scunthorpe finished 22nd in Divison 3.  In 2005 they finished 2nd in League 2,

Were they promoted, no - the league above changed names (creation on Premier League, then championship)  and as such so did the lower leagues. - They were still the same Level, Tier, Step - whatever the fashionable name is, just called a different name

That may be true, but what they didn't do was shuffle over half a league to the division above.

Obviously Combo was looking out for itself but it would have been a lot better to include the 5 teams in to the Trelawny setup, which would only have affected those 5 clubs, than it is to take so many from the top Trelawny league, which has a massive knock on effect for most of the teams in the Trelawny league

[Roy D]

The way I see it is that a Trelawney committee member started a new league (St Piran), saying he would take 9 combo teams. Then 2 weeks ago decided they actually wanted to take 3/4 of the combo league. So combo in turn looked at the league below to take 9 teams to make up the shortfall. I really don't see how anybody is blaming combo for this mess. It's down to the very poor organisation of the St Pirans league & the fact it was left till the last minute. 

[Dave Bartlam]

2 hours ago, Roy D said:

The way I see it is that a Trelawney committee member started a new league (St Piran), saying he would take 9 combo teams. Then 2 weeks ago decided they actually wanted to take 3/4 of the combo league. So combo in turn looked at the league below to take 9 teams to make up the shortfall. I really don't see how anybody is blaming combo for this mess. It's down to the very poor organisation of the St Pirans league & the fact it was left till the last minute. 

Not accurate.

The St Piran League had to form. The FA dictated that.

The "Member of the Trelawny League" hasn't been involved with the league for a few seasons, although he is a life member. He is not allowed to vote or have a say on League Matters, however his wisdom and advice is often needed and observed.

A number of people were spoken to by the FA (including myself) to step up and form the St Pirans League (initially I believe it was offered to Combo and ECPL, who rejected the request). Thus, the St Piran League was mandatory.

The person you talk about was asked to set up a league based on his knowledge and expertise. There is no better person to help set up a league. This league was being set up with or without him. It was mandated by the FA. I'm sure if volunteers didn't come forward, Cornwall FA would of had to run with it.

The issue lies with the club's that applied initially for the positions in the league, only to the pull out. Before these teams pulled out, both Combo and Trelawny didn't look like they would be taking a massive hit. Now, because of the fact the St Pirans League hit a blockade, the FA had to compromise. They still made the forming of the League mandatory so things had to change. Unfortunately that change has affected combination and Trelawny harder than initially expected.

It's not anyone's fault per se, it's a system that has been introduced which is far from ideal.

No-one can blame any of the League Committees or Cornwall FA for what has happened. 

[Steve Carpenter]

4 hours ago, Roy D said:

The way I see it is that a Trelawney committee member started a new league (St Piran), saying he would take 9 combo teams. Then 2 weeks ago decided they actually wanted to take 3/4 of the combo league. So combo in turn looked at the league below to take 9 teams to make up the shortfall. I really don't see how anybody is blaming combo for this mess. It's down to the very poor organisation of the St Pirans league & the fact it was left till the last minute. 

If you're going to have a pop I don't mind, I'm a big boy and can take it but at least have the decency to 1. Use your proper name instead of hiding behind a username and 2. Get at least 1 fact right.

Dave covers most of it above and I'm not going to repeat again here what has been stated on various threads across the forum and on Facebook.  Please do some research, you may then have a more accurate idea of how we ended up where we are in all this.