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Posted

I understand there was a meeting held last night regarding the possible constitution of the league for 2019-20. I also understand, due largely to the uncertainty of the St Piran League constitution, that the meeting achieved very little. 

I'm sure the Combo is in the same position and I have to say I feel for the people who run both leagues - in that they can't make plans until the St Piran League is finalised... same too for the majority of clubs who are looking to stay in these leagues.

Anyone any idea of the clubs likely to make up the ECPL next season? I'm hearing Mount Gould and Lakeside Reserves from P&D League considering moving across.

Posted

Can't blame clubs for jumping ship. Now lets see that means in the East there are 16 teams 10 of which are reserve teams. Which means 6 teams able to get grants. Unfortunately just as before reserve teams can't get promotion so what was the point. The only word I can think of is 'suckered'

Posted
6 hours ago, ECPL said:

Can't blame clubs for jumping ship. Now lets see that means in the East there are 16 teams 10 of which are reserve teams. Which means 6 teams able to get grants. Unfortunately just as before reserve teams can't get promotion so what was the point. The only word I can think of is 'suckered'

Dave, you keep saying this. I can’t see anyone who’s been “suckered”. Clubs have voted with their feet for a variety of reasons; access to funding and chance to develop facilities, playing at the highest level they can and entry into the Senior Cup for some which, presumably, ECPL clubs will no longer have access to, given the numbers at steps 7 and 6. There have also been plenty of rumblings from these clubs as to the potential for more Plymouth clubs entering joining the ECPL, which isn’t popular. There also looks to be far less travelling in St Piran than ECPL for some clubs. 

Posted

I personally find it quite baffling why the remaining east cornwall clubs would want to take in more Plymouth sides but providing it is their choice, and they are not just accepting what is put before them, then that is fine.

I think most people would want to see a proper promotion/relegation link between the East Cornwall and the Duchy Lges going forward but, from personal experience of visiting Plymouth sides albeit years ago, i wouldn't be comfortable going down a road that means the Duchy Lge has to take in Plymouth sides..

Plymstock, Lamerton & Lifton have been in our two leagues for a while and i have no problem at all with that but isn't this the ideal time to be saying 'no more', initially the FA's idea was for the leagues to be all Cornish.

Posted

At least,Paul, taking in Plymouth teams to the EC PL would be to the duchy League's advantage.Which would you prefer:ECPL taking 3/4 teams from over the Tamar

or 3/4 from the Duchy League?

Wouldn't relegated Plymouth teams drop to the P & D ?

Posted
32 minutes ago, Adlestrop said:

At least,Paul, taking in Plymouth teams to the EC PL would be to the duchy League's advantage.Which would you prefer:ECPL taking 3/4 teams from over the Tamar

or 3/4 from the Duchy League?

Wouldn't relegated Plymouth teams drop to the P & D ?

It is a dilemma, better for the Duchy Lge now that is for sure but long term for Cornish football as a whole (and at least trying to be impartial) probably not.

Unless things have altered, which they may have, Plymouth & West Devon Premier is considered as the same level as ECPL (so if any Cornish team were in it they would be in the Senior Cup) and as far as i know there is no agreement between them

Like everyone else I don't have all the answers (just like to think i do !!)

Posted

ECPL bangs on here about letting in Devon sides.. but they would not be able to promote upwards ... unless the East Cornwall League now wants to link with the Devon Step 7...... nor would they surely be relegated to the Duchy... in which case theyd probably just decide to sidestep back into a Devon league .... so what would they gain by this???? Sorry to say but should the Combo fold.as seems likely... then parity across the county should surely see the ECPL folded and merged into an expanded Duchy. If not, then Trelawney Prem sides would have a direct promotion route to Step 7, whereas Duchy Prem sides would not .....

Posted

Trelawney, Combo, Dutchy, ECPL, PW&D, South Devon, Devon & Exeter, North Devon - they are all recreational leagues (not on the pyramid system) and feeders leagues to the new 4 x Step 7 divisions in Devon & Cornwall... this means they are all on level par and no one league is higher up the pecking order than the other... Therefore pick your league and play... If cornwall cant sustain 4 feeder leagues due to the recent changes above then maybe it should merge to create 2 (like East & West)... only promotion and relegations should be between each league and the Step 7s... i havent heard about Devon leagues merging but i think they may have more within their divisions to cope with the recent losses to Step 7? 

Posted (edited)

Combo and ECPL were to be the feeder leagues for promotions to the original plan of St Piran (as they were for SWPL1W) and I don’t think there has been any arrangement to supersede that. Who knows what will happen at the St Piran, Combo and ECPL AGMs mind.

Edited by baldy
Posted

This goes back to the idea of youth status and senior status and leagues drawing up rules between themselves on promotion and relegation when not even on a FA pyramid... personally ive always found it odd as dont see it anywhere else in the country (quoted to me by a reliable source 😂)... do away with it as it just makes things more difficult than it has to be... recrational league then into Step 7, simples! St Piran took a common sense approach and got more than 32 applications within 2 weeks, im sure it can be done with the leagues underneath for the best of all Cornish teams (and Devon 😉)👍🏻

Posted

The alternative to a promotion/relegation arrangement - teams being voted in and out - certainly didn't work in West Cornwall. The "old pals act" was frequently used to save bottom 2 teams at the expense of applicants who deserved to get elected, making the Combo (and SWL) almost a closed shop. Rightly or wrongly, there is a recognised "pecking order" of the recreational Leagues in the County

Posted
3 minutes ago, ECPL said:

Seems like up top 18 teams will be in the ECPL.  

Would you like to enlighten us? When will the official announcement be made?

 

Posted

Let's have a guess who could be left and/or make up the numbers...

  1. Plymstock United Reserves
  2. Looe Town
  3. St Stephen
  4. St Minver
  5. Mevagissey
  6. Roche
  7. Padstow United
  8. St Blazey Reserves
  9. Newquay Reserves
  10. St Teath
  11. Foxhole Stars
  12. Torpoint Athletic Thirds
  13. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves
  14. Mount Gould
  15. Lakeside Athletic Reserves
  16. Gerrans & St Mawes
  17. Ivybridge Town Reserves
  18. ???

 

Posted

Possible ECPL constitution:  Plymstock United Reserves, Looe Town, St Stephen, St Minver, Roche, Padstow United, St Blazey Reserves, St Teath, Foxhole Stars, St. Cleer, Gerrans & St. Mawes, Godolphin Reserves, Grampound, Veryan, Mount Gould and Plymouth Marjons Reserves.   There could be more. 

Posted

With the FA preferring divisions of no more than 16 and Cornwall only teams and with all the worries that have been expressed about travelling and with the pitch concerns at Tothill and college team's availability issues  etc - why oh why would the 8 remaining clubs vote in  Mount Gould & Marjons.

As has already been stated these teams could not move up to St Piran and I doubt they would be welcome with open arms by Duchy members which may put any promotion/relegation agreement in jeopardy.

It all seems such a daft thing to do at this time.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Paul Collings said:

With the FA preferring divisions of no more than 16 and Cornwall only teams and with all the worries that have been expressed about travelling and with the pitch concerns at Tothill and college team's availability issues  etc - why oh why would the 8 remaining clubs vote in  Mount Gould & Marjons.

As has already been stated these teams could not move up to St Piran and I doubt they would be welcome with open arms by Duchy members which may put any promotion/relegation agreement in jeopardy.

It all seems such a daft thing to do at this time.

 

 

I can understand Plymouth Marjon to an extent as their First Team will be playing in the SWPL East. Mount Gould is an odd one. They have a very good side - always have - although most of the "SWPL standard" players are only there due to their unwillingness to travel (in my opinion). Sure, the pitch at Tothill Enclosure is not great but, if the ambition is there, it wouldn't take that much to bring it up to a minimum ECPL standard. There is some rumour that they could play at Millbay Park - although MG is synonymous with Tothill Enclosure.

The ECPL has had Plymouth teams for a number of years now, since Tamarside originally took the plunge. Plymstock, Elburton and Plymouth Parkway have all had sides in the league over the last few years. Sure, some have stayed, some have come and gone - but no more than the Cornish sides really. The structure of football in Devon & Cornwall has changed forever chaps, so I think all leagues including the ECPL need to assess what is best for them in the long run. If that means more Plymouth sides, then so be it. The quality will not be effected by that alone - the quality has been effected by the introduction of the St Piran League and it will take a few a seasons to level out.

As someone who will be involved with a club likely (or wanting) to be in the ECPL next season - we just want to know what's going on so planning can start. 

1 minute ago, Shouter said:

I can understand Plymouth Marjon to an extent as their First Team will be playing in the SWPL East. Mount Gould is an odd one. They have a very good side - always have - although most of the "SWPL standard" players are only there due to their unwillingness to travel (in my opinion). Sure, the pitch at Tothill Enclosure is not great but, if the ambition is there, it wouldn't take that much to bring it up to a minimum ECPL standard. There is some rumour that they could play at Millbay Park - although MG is synonymous with Tothill Enclosure.

The ECPL has had Plymouth teams for a number of years now, since Tamarside originally took the plunge. Plymstock, Elburton and Plymouth Parkway have all had sides in the league over the last few years. Sure, some have stayed, some have come and gone - but no more than the Cornish sides really. The structure of football in Devon & Cornwall has changed forever chaps, so I think all leagues including the ECPL need to assess what is best for them in the long run. If that means more Plymouth sides, then so be it. The quality will not be effected by that alone - the quality has been effected by the introduction of the St Piran League and it will take a few a seasons to level out.

As someone who will be involved with a club likely (or wanting) to be in the ECPL next season - we just want to know what's going on so planning can start. 

Second guess...

  1. Foxhole Stars
  2. Gerrans & St Mawes
  3. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves
  4. Grampound
  5. Lakeside Athletic Reserves??
  6. Looe Town
  7. Mevagissey
  8. Mount Gould??
  9. Padstow United
  10. Plymouth Marjon Reserves
  11. Plymstock United Reserves??
  12. Roche
  13. St Blazey Reserves
  14. St Minver
  15. St Stephen
  16. St Teath
  17. Torpoint Athletic Thirds??
  18. Veryan
Posted
3 hours ago, Shouter said:

I can understand Plymouth Marjon to an extent as their First Team will be playing in the SWPL East. Mount Gould is an odd one. They have a very good side - always have - although most of the "SWPL standard" players are only there due to their unwillingness to travel (in my opinion). Sure, the pitch at Tothill Enclosure is not great but, if the ambition is there, it wouldn't take that much to bring it up to a minimum ECPL standard. There is some rumour that they could play at Millbay Park - although MG is synonymous with Tothill Enclosure.

The ECPL has had Plymouth teams for a number of years now, since Tamarside originally took the plunge. Plymstock, Elburton and Plymouth Parkway have all had sides in the league over the last few years. Sure, some have stayed, some have come and gone - but no more than the Cornish sides really. The structure of football in Devon & Cornwall has changed forever chaps, so I think all leagues including the ECPL need to assess what is best for them in the long run. If that means more Plymouth sides, then so be it. The quality will not be effected by that alone - the quality has been effected by the introduction of the St Piran League and it will take a few a seasons to level out.

As someone who will be involved with a club likely (or wanting) to be in the ECPL next season - we just want to know what's going on so planning can start. 

Second guess...

  1. Foxhole Stars
  2. Gerrans & St Mawes
  3. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves
  4. Grampound
  5. Lakeside Athletic Reserves??
  6. Looe Town
  7. Mevagissey
  8. Mount Gould??
  9. Padstow United
  10. Plymouth Marjon Reserves
  11. Plymstock United Reserves??
  12. Roche
  13. St Blazey Reserves
  14. St Minver
  15. St Stephen
  16. St Teath
  17. Torpoint Athletic Thirds??
  18. Veryan

Not sure if our (Torpoint) 3rds will be able to as they play on the second pitch which may not meet ground grading? Unless we have three sides playing down the mill. 

Posted
1 hour ago, rob brown said:

Not sure if our (Torpoint) 3rds will be able to as they play on the second pitch which may not meet ground grading? Unless we have three sides playing down the mill. 

All but 2 homes games were at The Mill Rob! 😉

Posted
6 hours ago, Paul Collings said:

With the FA preferring divisions of no more than 16 and Cornwall only teams and with all the worries that have been expressed about travelling and with the pitch concerns at Tothill and college team's availability issues  etc - why oh why would the 8 remaining clubs vote in  Mount Gould & Marjons.

As has already been stated these teams could not move up to St Piran and I doubt they would be welcome with open arms by Duchy members which may put any promotion/relegation agreement in jeopardy.

It all seems such a daft thing to do at this time.

 

 

Plymouth Marjon Reserves are not a college team so availability is not a problem.

Both the 1st and 2nd teams have a sprinkling of ex Marjon students and one or two of the 1st team are currently studying at Marjon but are local lads anyway.

Both teams carry the Marjon name and benefit from their facilities (including the 3G pitch), that is all.

Posted
2 hours ago, rob brown said:

Not sure if our (Torpoint) 3rds will be able to as they play on the second pitch which may not meet ground grading? Unless we have three sides playing down the mill. 

Nothing wrong with the pitch whatsoever,Rob(Edgecumbe used  a few seasons ago).Your problem might be the changing facilities.Would they use The Mill,and

drive up the road to the pitch?

Posted

Can"t really get my head around some of this,teams from lower down the duchy league & from Plymouth likely to be in yet St Mawgan who had there best seaon for a long time & doing major ground improvements have had to go into the St Pirans even though one of there players have said to myself they ideally want to be in the ECPL.On a side note a few have asked why St.Stephen haven"t gone St.Pirans & the reasons are other than during the 90mins no one takes it very seriously ,hopefully we will train this season but haven"t bothered with that for 3/4 seasons,looking at the likely line up"s of the 2 leagues the travel for us looks a lot less in the ECPL but we will make the very most of our away days as we always do,when asking the players to vote on which league only 3 wanted St .Pirans so also made the choice a fairly easy one & last up even though we are trying to bring the age of the group down again this season we have a lot who are around the 30 mark & are either self employed & work saturday mornings or a friday & saturday night shift or run youth teams & thas with out the youngsters who are in newquay til 4/5 am on a saturday then trying to get them to the game in good time so hence we"re happy where we are for this season the take a look at the situation again.

 

Posted
3 hours ago, rob brown said:

Not sure if our (Torpoint) 3rds will be able to as they play on the second pitch which may not meet ground grading? Unless we have three sides playing down the mill. 

I don’t think ground grading comes into it

Posted

This is purely speculation of course and is just for discussion and debate, but from we can deduce...

Current ECPL Clubs remaining...

  1. Plymstock United Reserves
  2. Looe Town
  3. St Stephen
  4. St Minver
  5. Mevagissey (not seen them mentioned though?)
  6. Roche
  7. Padstow United
  8. St Blazey Reserves
  9. St Teath

Assuming Newquay Reserves transfer to the Combo (which has been suggested), that leaves 9 sides. From the posts here and chat generally, the remaining clubs could be made up of...

  1. Foxhole Stars (Duchy Prem - Champions)*
  2. Torpoint Athletic Thirds (Duchy Prem - 3rd)
  3. Veryan (Duchy Prem - 4th)
  4. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves (Duchy Prem - 6th)*
  5. North Petherwin (Duchy Prem - 8th - query facilities)
  6. Gerrans & St Mawes (Duchy Prem - Bottom)
  7. St Cleer (Duchy Div 1 - 2nd)
  8. Grampound (Duchy Div 2 - 10th)
  9. Lakeside Athletic Reserves (P&D Div 2 - Champions)
  10. Mount Gould (P&D Prem - Champions)
  11. Ivybridge Town Reserves (South Devon League Div 1 - 4th)
  12. Plymouth Marjon Reserves (P&D Div 1 - Bottom)

So it could be 12 clubs vying for 7 places in the newly restructured ECPL, which means at least 5 of the 12 possibles listed above will miss out. I'm guessing the fate of these clubs will have to wait until voting at the AGM on 12th June? But will this jeopardise their participation in the leagues they currently play in? Presumably some may have had to give notice, albeit provisional? I think only Foxhole and Godolphin Reserves appear nailed on.

What is/should the criteria be? Quality? Points per Game? Facilities? Location? History?... or none of that?

We wait with baited breath!!

Posted
1 hour ago, Shouter said:

This is purely speculation of course and is just for discussion and debate, but from we can deduce...

Current ECPL Clubs remaining...

  1. Plymstock United Reserves
  2. Looe Town
  3. St Stephen
  4. St Minver
  5. Mevagissey (not seen them mentioned though?)
  6. Roche
  7. Padstow United
  8. St Blazey Reserves
  9. St Teath

Assuming Newquay Reserves transfer to the Combo (which has been suggested), that leaves 9 sides. From the posts here and chat generally, the remaining clubs could be made up of...

  1. Foxhole Stars (Duchy Prem - Champions)*
  2. Torpoint Athletic Thirds (Duchy Prem - 3rd)
  3. Veryan (Duchy Prem - 4th)
  4. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves (Duchy Prem - 6th)*
  5. North Petherwin (Duchy Prem - 8th - query facilities)
  6. Gerrans & St Mawes (Duchy Prem - Bottom)
  7. St Cleer (Duchy Div 1 - 2nd)
  8. Grampound (Duchy Div 2 - 10th)
  9. Lakeside Athletic Reserves (P&D Div 2 - Champions)
  10. Mount Gould (P&D Prem - Champions)
  11. Ivybridge Town Reserves (South Devon League Div 1 - 4th)
  12. Plymouth Marjon Reserves (P&D Div 1 - Bottom)

So it could be 12 clubs vying for 7 places in the newly restructured ECPL, which means at least 5 of the 12 possibles listed above will miss out. I'm guessing the fate of these clubs will have to wait until voting at the AGM on 12th June? But will this jeopardise their participation in the leagues they currently play in? Presumably some may have had to give notice, albeit provisional? I think only Foxhole and Godolphin Reserves appear nailed on.

What is/should the criteria be? Quality? Points per Game? Facilities? Location? History?... or none of that?

We wait with baited breath!!

Apologies if I have missed something, but what has happened to the Plymouth & District League, is it still running next season? Notice that several Plymouth clubs have appeared in the prospective ECPL constitution and Lakeside have joined the new Devon Step 7 system, which Chaddlewood OB unsuccessfully applied for.

Posted
1 hour ago, Way Of The Park said:

Apologies if I have missed something, but what has happened to the Plymouth & District League, is it still running next season? Notice that several Plymouth clubs have appeared in the prospective ECPL constitution and Lakeside have joined the new Devon Step 7 system, which Chaddlewood OB unsuccessfully applied for.

It's still running and, for the most part, run very well. The problem is that the majority of clubs play on poorly maintained council pitches with poor changing facilities. Any clubs looking to progress, or have their own facilities, are always going to look at options away from the P&D League, which is a shame.

Posted
5 hours ago, Shouter said:

This is purely speculation of course and is just for discussion and debate, but from we can deduce...

Current ECPL Clubs remaining...

  1. Plymstock United Reserves
  2. Looe Town
  3. St Stephen
  4. St Minver
  5. Mevagissey (not seen them mentioned though?)
  6. Roche
  7. Padstow United
  8. St Blazey Reserves
  9. St Teath

Assuming Newquay Reserves transfer to the Combo (which has been suggested), that leaves 9 sides. From the posts here and chat generally, the remaining clubs could be made up of...

  1. Foxhole Stars (Duchy Prem - Champions)*
  2. Torpoint Athletic Thirds (Duchy Prem - 3rd)
  3. Veryan (Duchy Prem - 4th)
  4. Godolphin Atlantic Reserves (Duchy Prem - 6th)*
  5. North Petherwin (Duchy Prem - 8th - query facilities)
  6. Gerrans & St Mawes (Duchy Prem - Bottom)
  7. St Cleer (Duchy Div 1 - 2nd)
  8. Grampound (Duchy Div 2 - 10th)
  9. Lakeside Athletic Reserves (P&D Div 2 - Champions)
  10. Mount Gould (P&D Prem - Champions)
  11. Ivybridge Town Reserves (South Devon League Div 1 - 4th)
  12. Plymouth Marjon Reserves (P&D Div 1 - Bottom)

So it could be 12 clubs vying for 7 places in the newly restructured ECPL, which means at least 5 of the 12 possibles listed above will miss out. I'm guessing the fate of these clubs will have to wait until voting at the AGM on 12th June? But will this jeopardise their participation in the leagues they currently play in? Presumably some may have had to give notice, albeit provisional? I think only Foxhole and Godolphin Reserves appear nailed on.

What is/should the criteria be? Quality? Points per Game? Facilities? Location? History?... or none of that?

We wait with baited breath!!

What’s your query regarding facilities at North Petherwin or concerns!??

Posted
1 hour ago, claret&blue said:

Looks  like there may be enough Cornish clubs applying now to get it back to a fully Cornish league again.

Plymstock Utd are current members so will be in it but they cannot get promoted to the St Piran League or the equivalent Devon step 7 because their first team are in that i believe.

The FA is no longer insisting on an 'all Cornwall' league but I personally think it would be best for both ecpl and Duchy to not take in any more Devon sides. I think if the ecpl were to have 3,4,5 Devon teams in it then the chances of a promotion and relegation link with the Duchy Lge would be slim - which would be a bad thing.

Newquay - presumably the uncertainty over the Combination Lge's future has made it hard for Newquay to decide which way to go.

Mevagissey - as i understand it Mevagissey has withdrawn from the ecpl.

Duchy teams applying - very few Duchy teams put in provisional notice of withdrawal but they can all rest assured that their place in the Duchy Lge is safe if they are unsuccessful.

How will applicants be selected - as there are no formal agreements in place between the leagues and as the FA has apparently decided that ground grading is not appropriate presumably the only way will be by ballot of the 8/9 teams who are continuing members (plus whatever committee members have a voting right). The quality of the players in a team may change year on year but the pitches and facilities stay fairly constant. If I were voting i think the league standings this season would be less important than the overall quality of the grounds and facilities. I for one still think that the higher up the ladder you go the better the facilities should be.

I'm pretty sure whatever our point of view, we will all be delighted for this to be over and done with, whatever the outcome, so we can all move on.

 

 

 

 

Posted

Hi Paul.

I have tried emailing Ken Adkins a few times recently regards North Petherwin ecpl ambition but no reply,  do you have a contact number for him,  if still could you please message it to me. Thanks. Andy

Posted
22 minutes ago, Mongoose said:

Hi Paul.

I have tried emailing Ken Adkins a few times recently regards North Petherwin ecpl ambition but no reply,  do you have a contact number for him,  if still could you please message it to me. Thanks. Andy

Have done Andy - good luck.

Posted

Is there a date set for when we will know the 2019-2020 ECFL Constitution ? 

Just curious which teams we will be reffing and the travel logistics ……..

Are we allowed to know who has applied or been accepted already ?

Posted

At the ECPL AGM 

5 hours ago, Way Of The Park said:

Apologies if I have missed something, but what has happened to the Plymouth & District League, is it still running next season? Notice that several Plymouth clubs have appeared in the prospective ECPL constitution and Lakeside have joined the new Devon Step 7 system, which Chaddlewood OB unsuccessfully applied for.

Plymouth league is still running

Sorry to say Plymouth council changing rooms are very poor for the amount of money clubs pay in rent, hence why there is a lot of interest in clubs joining the ECPL from that area

Posted
2 hours ago, referee said:

Is there a date set for when we will know the 2019-2020 ECFL Constitution ? 

Just curious which teams we will be reffing and the travel logistics ……..

Are we allowed to know who has applied or been accepted already ?

By the sounds of it, probably all to be “revealed in the 12th at the AGM”

Posted
13 hours ago, hedgerow said:

At the ECPL AGM 

Plymouth league is still running

Sorry to say Plymouth council changing rooms are very poor for the amount of money clubs pay in rent, hence why there is a lot of interest in clubs joining the ECPL from that area

We at Redruth United  play on a council pitch and people will tell you it had a bad reputation but we as a club rolled our sleeves up and are continuing each season to make things better

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