DRAFT list of the constitutions for next season at Step 6

[Hetty]

Lets not also forget Millbrook installed floodlights at their ground not long after needing financial help. Also they were allowed the same dispensation that is being offered to Dobwalls which was acceptance into the league without lights installed at the time. 

[BIG AL]

49 minutes ago, rapid winger 7 said:

Are Millbrook serious? A few years ago they played the victims begging for money “to survive” and everyone obliged to help them out. They then did their clubhouse up with everyone else’s money along with other non critical things. They are now playing the victims again pleading poverty trying to claim the likes of St Blazey don’t deserve promotion and have to wait because they are not getting what they want again. Millbrook have been helped a lot recently and I think other clubs deserve a bit of help as well. You are not as hard done by as you are making out Millbrook and I think you are being a bit selfish after all the help you had from other clubs and possibly a bit ungrateful. As my Nan once said, “eaten bread is soon forgotten”. You are not the only club who have hard workers who deserve more 

So?

[leedsunited]

50 minutes ago, rapid winger 7 said:

Are Millbrook serious? A few years ago they played the victims begging for money “to survive” and everyone obliged to help them out. They then did their clubhouse up with everyone else’s money along with other non critical things. They are now playing the victims again pleading poverty trying to claim the likes of St Blazey don’t deserve promotion and have to wait because they are not getting what they want again. Millbrook have been helped a lot recently and I think other clubs deserve a bit of help as well. You are not as hard done by as you are making out Millbrook and I think you are being a bit selfish after all the help you had from other clubs and possibly a bit ungrateful. As my Nan once said, “eaten bread is soon forgotten”. You are not the only club who have hard workers who deserve more 

Maybe your Nan should of tried 'Eggy Bread' as I didn't forget that in a hurry, dripped out of my System like Water for a good few days . .. 

[Hetty]

Just thought id spend half an hour to work out exactly what the hysteria is about. The facts are as follows, there will be 128.6 Miles more travelling for Millbrook in the East Division over the West. Is that really what this is about? 128 miles ? 

What happens if Millbrook are in the West division and get drawn in the cup away to Crediton which is exactly 128 miles away from Millbrook? will Millbrook go bust ? 

I therefore maintain this is just sour grapes because they just don't want to be in the East Division. 

However If it really is because they are concerned about the financial impact the travelling will have on the club,  i think its obvious from the below that they need to really consider if they can afford to be part of this new set up at all, the new additions in the west league have increased the travelling for teams on the Tamar to a level where there is almost no difference in the mileage between the two leagues.  

 

(The figures below are for a Round Trip)

 

Millbrook to AXMINSTER TOWN – 160.4

Millbrook to BOVEY TRACEY – 78.80

Millbrook to BRIXHAM     - 86.8

Millbrook to CREDITON UNITED – 128

Millbrook to CULLOMPTON RANGERS - 132

Millbrook to DARTMOUTH -82.6

Millbrook to ELBURTON VILLA - 24.8

Millbrook to ELMORE – 151.4

Millbrook to HOLSWORTHY 84.2

Millbrook to HONITON TOWN   137.6

Millbrook to ILFRACOMBE TOWN 169.4

Millbrook to IVYBRIDGE TOWN – 42.6

Millbrook to NEWTON ABBOT SPURS - 83

Millbrook to PLYMOUTH MARJON – 21.8

Millbrook to SIDMOUTH TOWN 131.8

Millbrook to STOKE GABRIEL   75.2

Millbrook to TORPOINT ATHLETIC – 10.8

Millbrook to TORRIDGESIDE   - 121

Millbrook to TORRINGTON – 124.2

 

Total – 1846.40

 

Millbrook to BODMIN TOWN – 58.8

Millbrook to CALLINGTON TOWN – 36.8

Millbrook to CAMELFORD – 79.2

Millbrook to DOBWALLS   - 35.8

Millbrook to FALMOUTH TOWN – 126.2

Millbrook to GODOLPHIN ATLANTIC – 95.8

Millbrook to HELSTON ATHLETIC – 145.4

Millbrook to LAUNCESTON – 60.4

Millbrook to LISKEARD ATHLETIC – 31.2

Millbrook to MOUSEHOLE - 158.6

Millbrook to NEWQUAY -95.8

Millbrook to PENZANCE – 150.8

Millbrook to PORTHLEVEN – 147.6

Millbrook to ST AUSTELL - 69

Millbrook to ST BLAZEY – 62.4

Millbrook to ST DENNIS   - 83.2

Millbrook to STICKER – 75.8

Millbrook to WADEBRIDGE TOWN - 72.8

Millbrook to WENDRON UNITED   - 132.2

 

Total with Saltash in the East - 1717.8 Miles

[Webby191]

1 hour ago, rapid winger 7 said:

Are Millbrook serious? A few years ago they played the victims begging for money “to survive” and everyone obliged to help them out. They then did their clubhouse up with everyone else’s money along with other non critical things. They are now playing the victims again pleading poverty trying to claim the likes of St Blazey don’t deserve promotion and have to wait because they are not getting what they want again. Millbrook have been helped a lot recently and I think other clubs deserve a bit of help as well. You are not as hard done by as you are making out Millbrook and I think you are being a bit selfish after all the help you had from other clubs and possibly a bit ungrateful. As my Nan once said, “eaten bread is soon forgotten”. You are not the only club who have hard workers who deserve more 

This is the one of the main problems with the forum - made up and ill informed information posted & quite often aggressively. Knowing this it’s my fault for writing on here but I’ll clarify what many already know.  

‘Playing the victims’ is deliberately inflammatory and I guess you’re someone who plays for St Blazey or another team further down Div 1 but I get why you’ve posted. To possibly get promotion into the premier is something most players are desperate for but the fact remains - Millbrook earned that right. Default is not earning it. As explained several times a move to the east could spell the end of what has been achieved at Jenkins Park whilst having a team like St Blazey  play St Pirans, which is really the equivalent of the current Div 1 West - & then earn promotion is a fairer outcome.

Also, no money raised was used to ‘do up the club house or used for non critical things’ - this is a lie to be frank.  You obviously haven’t been anywhere near the club in the last year. A historical and huge debt was in default - something the current Chairman had no idea about as it was well hidden by past committees no longer anything to do with Millbrook. The debt was called upon immediately and out of the blue for the new chairman which is why the fundraising was needed or one of the oldest clubs in Cornwall would have disappeared. Alongside the money raised the club raised a huge amount doing their own things and this was all used to help pay a large amount of the debt off to stop it being repossessed. If you knew anything about the club or anyone within it you would no how eternally grateful we are. 

Since then, we did the business on the pitch which then meant we had to do something with the ground e.g the floodlights. All money for the ground improvements was raised through club fundraising but mainly grants. It’s a false accusation to claim that fundraised money by the club was used for this and not the debt. You’re treading a dangerous path with that.

Finally, just as you feel it would be unfair for a team lower down not to get promotion we feel it unfair we have to face a very possible situation of demise by simply being moved eastwards to make room for someone else which brings me back to the undeniable point that Millbrook did their talking on the pitch and earned the right to be where they are. 

 

 

 

[Webby191]

Hetty, it’s a poor point about Crediton in the cup. A few games east does not equate to a whole season of away games. 

It’s pretty dull just having to re say what’s already been said - it’s the impact the ferry has that unless you live with it daily then you just can’t grasp what we’re on about. A lot of those trips would be 4-5 hour round trips compared to 2-3 in the West. Can we expect some of our players to leave very early and get home incredibly late, especially mid week - you could be looking at the early hours of the morning. Many of them have families, they don’t get any expenses and so it might just be a step too far. What it would mean is that we could lose our local core, the quality of the team and the status earned. Something that many on here and elsewhere hound other teams for not having and having to pay for players elsewhere to come to the club. To use the bridge adds more time, more petrol, more mileage and would mean having to pass Saltash - something that apparently can not be done as a requirement. Also - again as already explained - the impact this could have on the money earned on the gates could be devastating financially. 

[rapid winger 7]

You keep going on about what you have done and deserve to be where you are but you can’t deny it was with the help of others. You are still where you are and in a good position. You can’t tell me a few extra miles is going to change anything. If this is true then you maybe need to question if you can sustain this level at all. Other clubs also have a great history and now need a little help. It’s not all about Millbrook

[Webby191]

I don’t get your point Rapid Winger. Who’s denied we are where we are because of help? In fact it’s the opposite. We wouldn’t have a club to play at without the help. The football side of it was the manager and players earning it. Of course though it goes back to the support off the pitch meaning we were able to do that on the pitch. Again it’s not so much the mileage but the time dedicated when they’re not paid expenses amongst other things. Every club at grass roots needs help but that shouldn’t be at the expense of others. 

[Dave Deacon]

Rather a shame there wasn`t more Devon clubs that wanted to play in next season`s Peninsula Step 6 League. It would have been so much easier for an all Cornish West Division and all Devon East one! Me being a simpleton and avoid confrontation!

What`s to say for at least the initial season there couldn`t be a 22 West and an 18 East? Would the clubs go for that I wonder?

[Webby191]

Totally agree Dave. A potential option so thank you.

[secretscout]

Or you could have just the 18 or 19 (if Torpoint want to be) In the East and then 20 in the West (top 20 on merit, meaning all Current Premier clubs qualify and then the best of the rest). in doing that, clubs in the West will be aware that at least 2 clubs (those missing out at the start of the restructure) will be wanting promotion and therefore forcing relegation for the bottom one/two clubs.  Just a thought from an old timer!

[Martin Eddy]

Club's in the combination league Dave have been moaning for years about 20 teams being too many

[rapid winger 7]

What will Millbrook do in the West when they are away to the likes of Penzance, Mousehole etc? I feel like it’s just another episode of toys out the pram when things don’t go their way. The league format is changing and St Blazey as much as anyone deserve to be in amongst it all 

[Dave Deacon]

Just now, Postman Pat said:

Club's in the combination league Dave have been moaning for years about 20 teams being too many

More clubs with lights in the Peninsula so could entertain midweek matches

[Martin Eddy]

Yeah fair comment but teams do that in the combo now as well

[BIG AL]

14 minutes ago, secretscout said:

Or you could have just the 18 or 19 (if Torpoint want to be) In the East and then 20 in the West (top 20 on merit, meaning all Current Premier clubs qualify and then the best of the rest). in doing that, clubs in the West will be aware that at least 2 clubs (those missing out at the start of the restructure) will be wanting promotion and therefore forcing relegation for the bottom one/two clubs.  Just a thought from an old timer!

This is most logical but the swelling officials do not go with logic nor do the Cornwall or national fa.

[Webby191]

15 minutes ago, rapid winger 7 said:

What will Millbrook do in the West when they are away to the likes of Penzance, Mousehole etc? I feel like it’s just another episode of toys out the pram when things don’t go their way. The league format is changing and St Blazey as much as anyone deserve to be in amongst it all 

Without the ferry to contend with those few journeys a season won’t make anywhere near the impact travelling East would. Also I don’t understand the toys out the pram point. When else have Millbrook stood up for their status in this way? They haven’t or do you mean when we asked for help to keep the club going? Although the phrase ‘toys out the pram’ doesn’t link to that at all? Quite honestly, those in the current premier and whoever wins Div 1 are the ones who deserve to be there the most. But all clubs are hardworking so to a degree deserve something as well. 

[Hetty]

3 minutes ago, Webby191 said:

Without the ferry to contend with those few journeys a season won’t make anywhere near the impact travelling East would. Also I don’t understand the toys out the pram point. When else have Millbrook stood up for their status in this way? They haven’t. Quite honestly, those in the current premier and whoever wins Div 1 are the ones who deserve to be there the most. But all clubs are hardworking so to a degree deserve something as well. 

Just looking at it, you will have to make 11 trips over the ferry that you didn't have to make this season, however one of those will be too Plymouth Marjons so thats no problem, so 10 trips over the ferry and onward from Plymouth out of 19. is that really going to make you lose your Core 'Loyal players'? Also whilst I appreciate the core of your squad are local, you do have some Plymouth players also. 

[Webby191]

11? It’s 13 league trips across the ferry we didn’t have to make last season (15 new ones) so near enough all of them. That’s without cup games. It’s a possibility some would leave as 2/3 live in Torpoint. Even a couple would have a big impact. People are also glossing over the fact of the financial impact. The difference between Cornish away support and Devon support has been huge this season.

How many supporters will be happy to travel an hour or so down to the ferry then find they have to spend 30-60 minutes added to that journey, if not more. Then double that time for the round trip. Mileage isn’t that different but it is still different. But mainly it’s the time - a round trip to Elburton a few weeks back took nearly 2 1/2 hours. They’re only 8 miles away. 

[Hetty]

 My Last word on the topic!!!!

I do agree that the most logical move would have been better to run the East with 18 and the West with 20. Unfortunately though that isn't how the league officials see it.  

However I am struggling to get my head around Millbrooks argument against their inclusion in the East.

• 128 mile difference between the two leagues.
• 11 trips more on the ferry spread across 9 months. (but one of these is to Plymouth)

Come on? will this really see the club go backwards after all the hard work, You have a core of local players, will they really abandon the club because of this? 

In most of the posts so far you have spoken about the financial implications, Now it has been pointed out that there actually isn't a lot of difference, you now have started talking about the impact in terms of journey time. Surely you are better than that after what you have come through in recent years. 

As said above, From the outside looking in this just looks like sour grapes, you wanted to be in the West Division and now you're kicking off because you didn't get what you wanted and using your geographical position to aid your argument (which is looking weaker by the minute). 

If however the club is that unstable that you cant afford an extra 128 miles, and a further 11 trips across the ferry then i think you need to seriously reconsider your participation at all. 

 

Just my opinion. I wish you good luck in which ever way you go with this.  

[Webby191]

Fortunately from messages of support most don’t seem to agree with you but you’ll always have some who don’t and that’s fair. I’m not sure what your agenda is  but you keep going on about the mileage and despite several explanations you’ve ignored most of the points made about time and money. I don’t think any players would abandon the club out of choice but often choices are taken out of our hands. Thanks for the luck however, I think we will need it. 

[shots]

I know that they aren’t Cornish clubs, but Cullompton & Exmouth never complained about only 3 of their away matches being in Devon, the other 15 being in Cornwall. Unfair @ times but part of the package.

[Webby191]

Yes that’s true. But neither were being forced to play west. They knew the deal with the current Prem. We had no idea we’d be forced to play in the East. Also with the the exception of ourselves and Torpoint both teams can travel straight over the bridge. As I’ve said, I think we have some pretty strong reasons to remain playing in Cornwall and anyone who’s properly read this long thread(!) will see that. I’ll leave it for now unless anyone makes false accusations. Thanks for those who have been constructively critical - from my very first post that was made clear to what I wanted. Two games to go for Millbrook which could see them finish anywhere anywhere between 6th to 10th! An exciting end to the league that’s for sure and some great cup finals to come.

[Xanie25]

Does Millbrook not have Kernow Cab/mini bus as a sponsor could they help with regular transport  maybe a mini bus where the lads & supporters could travel to away games. The lads already pay petrol and car share would it be better for them to pay towards a mini bus to get them to away games, especially the long trips. It seems a lot of clubs use buses or mini buses to transport players and supporters this may help retain players. I think Millbrook have done a fantastic job supporting the younger players especially in the community it would be awful not to have the club for future generations. 

[Rob1978]

1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said:

Rather a shame there wasn`t more Devon clubs that wanted to play in next season`s Peninsula Step 6 League. It would have been so much easier for an all Cornish West Division and all Devon East one! Me being a simpleton and avoid confrontation!

What`s to say for at least the initial season there couldn`t be a 22 West and an 18 East? Would the clubs go for that I wonder?

The reason there is a shortage of Devon clubs wanting to play step 6 is because a number of them have moved up to step 5. Parkway, Buckland and probably Tavi and Exmouth. If fact Devon will have 11 clubs playing at a level above step 6 next season. Cornwall has 1. This has created a difference in standards between swpl west and east. Cornish clubs will no doubt dominate the league cup. This gulf will potentially increase if more Devon clubs go up, without Cornish clubs doing so. In the future more east Cornish clubs could end up in swpl east, replacing Devon clubs. Step 6 boundaries are now fluid nationally. 

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

The bug bear is the ferry....it's  been said enough times.

Everything is time critical these days, if that ferry is late then it would totally disrupt their plans.

A nightmare scenario I would think. 

[Rightside O`theriver]

4 hours ago, secretscout said:

Or you could have just the 18 or 19 (if Torpoint want to be) In the East and then 20 in the West (top 20 on merit, meaning all Current Premier clubs qualify and then the best of the rest). in doing that, clubs in the West will be aware that at least 2 clubs (those missing out at the start of the restructure) will be wanting promotion and therefore forcing relegation for the bottom one/two clubs.  Just a thought from an old timer!

And why should the likes of Camelford and Sticker (currently occupying the relegation spots) be given a higher spot in the pecking order ?

Under the present set-up they would be starting next season on an equal footing as all those who failed to be in a promotion spot from division 1

[Rob1978]

These are not county leagues!! If a club wants to play county football it can join the St Pirans league.

[leedsunited]

6 hours ago, rapid winger 7 said:

What will Millbrook do in the West when they are away to the likes of Penzance, Mousehole etc? I feel like it’s just another episode of toys out the pram when things don’t go their way. The league format is changing and St Blazey as much as anyone deserve to be in amongst it all 

What have St.Blazey done this season to deserve their spot? Their lowest ever finish since records at the club began. It seems to me this constitution is just accomodating clubs at their will 

[Rob1978]

Don’t be too harsh on St Blazey. Bodmin seem intent on following their path

[iand]

1 hour ago, leedsunited said:

What have St.Blazey done this season to deserve their spot? Their lowest ever finish since records at the club began. It seems to me this constitution is just accomodating clubs at their will 

St Blazey beat Millbrook last week 4-2

[leedsunited]

2 hours ago, Rob1978 said:

Don’t be too harsh on St Blazey. Bodmin seem intent on following their path

Never that low! 5th bottom Division One West 😂🤔

51 minutes ago, Iand said:

St Blazey beat Millbrook last week 4-2

Beat a team with 3 Millbrook first team player's, but also Millbrook had 4 Veterans playing for match fitness!! 🤣

[ECPL]

Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bizarre to say the least.  The suits have won again.  How often has the SWPL changed since its creation.   You now have the situation where six of the new West set up are Division One West sides, while the likes of Torpoint and Millbrook have had a successful season at the top level.  Unfortunately we do not live in London or Birmingham etc where there are hundreds of clubs of the same standard within a 40 mile radius .  Football is not played on a map.  There are traditions and history to think of along with local derbies. The SWPL was set up as natural feeder to the Western League by joining the two counties and having a natural east and west below the premier division.  So the suits get around the table, look at a map say I don;t like that and make their decision.   

Just as a matter of interest the East League will have just five teams who currently play in this seasons Premier Division. So what does that tell you. Well done Torpoint and Millbrook you will now be playing at a lower standard – and by the way thanks for your years of support. Now just SOD OFF.

Can't wait to see the new St Piran make up. Another C*** up in the making.

[Richard Rundle]

20 hours ago, ECPL said:

 

Just as a matter of interest the East League will have just five teams who currently play in this seasons Premier Division. So what does that tell you. Well done Torpoint and Millbrook you will now be playing at a lower standard – and by the way thanks for your years of support. Now just SOD OFF.

It tells you that Devon clubs have begun to take promotion to the Western League meaning that some clubs will benefit from their being gaps in the East Division that would not have been there otherwise.

Like it or not, the FA want teams who win their league to move up, regardless of whether it makes common sense.

[BIG AL]

26 minutes ago, Richard Rundle said:

It tells you that Devon clubs have begun to take promotion to the Western League meaning that some clubs will benefit from their being gaps in the East Division that would not have been there otherwise.

Like it or not, the FA want teams who win their league to move up, regardless of whether it makes common sense.

 

26 minutes ago, Richard Rundle said:

It tells you that Devon clubs have begun to take promotion to the Western League meaning that some clubs will benefit from their being gaps in the East Division that would not have been there otherwise.

Like it or not, the FA want teams who win their league to move up, regardless of whether it makes common sense.

But they will not help with the extra expense!

[panda]

On 16/04/2019 at 12:21, Hetty said:

Just thought id spend half an hour to work out exactly what the hysteria is about. The facts are as follows, there will be 128.6 Miles more travelling for Millbrook in the East Division over the West. Is that really what this is about? 128 miles ? 

What happens if Millbrook are in the West division and get drawn in the cup away to Crediton which is exactly 128 miles away from Millbrook? will Millbrook go bust ? 

I therefore maintain this is just sour grapes because they just don't want to be in the East Division. 

However If it really is because they are concerned about the financial impact the travelling will have on the club,  i think its obvious from the below that they need to really consider if they can afford to be part of this new set up at all, the new additions in the west league have increased the travelling for teams on the Tamar to a level where there is almost no difference in the mileage between the two leagues.  

 

(The figures below are for a Round Trip)

 

Millbrook to AXMINSTER TOWN – 160.4

Millbrook to BOVEY TRACEY – 78.80

Millbrook to BRIXHAM     - 86.8

Millbrook to CREDITON UNITED – 128

Millbrook to CULLOMPTON RANGERS - 132

Millbrook to DARTMOUTH -82.6

Millbrook to ELBURTON VILLA - 24.8

Millbrook to ELMORE – 151.4

Millbrook to HOLSWORTHY 84.2

Millbrook to HONITON TOWN   137.6

Millbrook to ILFRACOMBE TOWN 169.4

Millbrook to IVYBRIDGE TOWN – 42.6

Millbrook to NEWTON ABBOT SPURS - 83

Millbrook to PLYMOUTH MARJON – 21.8

Millbrook to SIDMOUTH TOWN 131.8

Millbrook to STOKE GABRIEL   75.2

Millbrook to TORPOINT ATHLETIC – 10.8

Millbrook to TORRIDGESIDE   - 121

Millbrook to TORRINGTON – 124.2

 

Total – 1846.40

 

Millbrook to BODMIN TOWN – 58.8

Millbrook to CALLINGTON TOWN – 36.8

Millbrook to CAMELFORD – 79.2

Millbrook to DOBWALLS   - 35.8

Millbrook to FALMOUTH TOWN – 126.2

Millbrook to GODOLPHIN ATLANTIC – 95.8

Millbrook to HELSTON ATHLETIC – 145.4

Millbrook to LAUNCESTON – 60.4

Millbrook to LISKEARD ATHLETIC – 31.2

Millbrook to MOUSEHOLE - 158.6

Millbrook to NEWQUAY -95.8

Millbrook to PENZANCE – 150.8

Millbrook to PORTHLEVEN – 147.6

Millbrook to ST AUSTELL - 69

Millbrook to ST BLAZEY – 62.4

Millbrook to ST DENNIS   - 83.2

Millbrook to STICKER – 75.8

Millbrook to WADEBRIDGE TOWN - 72.8

Millbrook to WENDRON UNITED   - 132.2

 

Total with Saltash in the East - 1717.8 Miles

In reality they turn up at the ferry and the queue is long they would have to go round the bridge. this adds another 25 miles on the trip (one way).So 1718 miles becomes 2220 if they had to do it every game. An additional 500 miles.

[Fanfare]

In the 1950s Penzance had a hefty fine for arriving late to play away at Argyle 'A' because the ferry was late.

[We Two]

25 minutes ago, panda said:

In reality they turn up at the ferry and the queue is long they would have to go round the bridge. this adds another 25 miles on the trip (one way

Think you need a new sat nav Panda, a trip over the bridge would add somewhere in the region of 10 x EXTRA miles on a journey, which could be shortened on the return journey using the ferry when timing is not so critical, don't forget to deduct the mileage taken when turning off down to the ferry

[quiksilver]

2 hours ago, BIG AL said:

 

But they will not help with the extra expense!

Certain Clubs should stop paying stupid amounts of money to players then!

[panda]

1 hour ago, We Two said:

Think you need a new sat nav Panda, a trip over the bridge would add somewhere in the region of 10 x EXTRA miles on a journey, which could be shortened on the return journey using the ferry when timing is not so critical, don't forget to deduct the mileage taken when turning off down to the ferry

Torpoint to Marsh Mills by ferry route just over 6miles. torpoint to Marsh Mills via bridge about22 miles so about 16 miles extra. Still a big detour and an extra 25 minutes plus on the journey time.

[bighairydave]

4 minutes ago, panda said:

Torpoint to Marsh Mills by ferry route just over 6miles. torpoint to Marsh Mills via bridge about22 miles so about 16 miles extra. Still a big detour and an extra 25 minutes plus on the journey time.

23 miles compared to 13 miles from Millbrook though so only 10 miles more!

[BIG AL]

54 minutes ago, quiksilver said:

Certain Clubs should stop paying stupid amounts of money to players then!

If they got the why not pay it?

[quiksilver]

31 minutes ago, BIG AL said:

If they got the why not pay it?

Exactly, why should FA give money to clubs then? Contradicting yourself there Alan 

 

[Rightside O`theriver]

A lot of you seem to be forgetting the large numbers of Plymouth lads who week in, week out, make the long and sometimes arduous trip into Cornwall to play for a Cornish club, the majority at their own expense,  and do so without having a moan. A 40, 60, even 80 mile round trip for a home match is fairly normal.

Cornish football would be in a poorer state if this influx of players decided to stay east of the river to ply their trade just to save a few quid petrol and bridge/ferry money

If you`re going to worry about 75p fare and an extra 15 minutes for the ferry then maybe you and your club are not as dedicated as you think.

[Rightside O`theriver]

3 hours ago, Fanfare said:

In the 1950s Penzance had a hefty fine for arriving late to play away at Argyle 'A' because the ferry was late.

That was because Ned, the horse used to power the ferry, was taken lame that morning and they had to draft-in a Shetland pony, which, by it`s very nature, only produced a half HP.

Things have moved on since then and a quick check on the ferry website will give you all the up-to-date info you need. Hell ! they even have a webcam so you can see how big (or little) the queue is.

[Paul]

I still think the current set up with all three divisions with a full set of teams works perfectly well. With promotion and relegation to and from the top division, it works well. I think play offs could have introduced to make the East and West have even more to play for. 

[Webby191]

Players coming over to play for Cornish sides a) make that choice & it’s not made for them b) they get paid for it & a lot of them very well c) vast majority will be able to go straight over the bridge & d) do it because they’d rather play for Cornish sides than East sides as there’s many more Cornish sides accessible at a higher level.

What really annoys me is you talking about dedication. It shows me & any proper fan of local football that you are completely clueless. Have a chat with the chairman and you’ll soon be very clear of the dedication off the pitch. On the pitch they’re (the only team?) that gets no expenses but play for the love of it. Missing Saturdays with their families or giving up the chance of extra work again highlights how clueless you are.

I’m also beginning to wonder what it is that I’ve written that’s so difficult to understand? I don’t think I can make it any clearer so I will literally try to spell it out for you.

It’s not so much the mileage although it will be increased a lot and usually at this level you’ve been allowed to make that choice through promotion whether you’re happy to do it. We were fine to take promotion last season as we were aware of where we had to go. We’ve just been thrust into this new unknown position.

It is the inordinate amount of extra time they will now have to give up. Give up from work, their families and all unpaid. This is grass roots football it’s not even semi pro despite some thinking it is because players get paid. Now I know they’ll give it a bloody good go but if it is too much for some of them the impact on the squad could be disastrous.

Also, are we going to get anywhere near the crowds (mainly through away support) playing east teams than locals like Saltash, Liskeard, St Austell etc etc? Financial consequences will be disastrous especially as, like many clubs, we’re teetering on the edge as it is.

As it stands, for the vast majority of current away games we leave about midday and get home about 6/7. It means at least they spend time with their kids in the morning and a decent amount of time in the evening with partners. Now, throw the ferry into the mix and you’re now looking at having to leave 10/11am for most games and return home 8/9. That has a huge impact. For some games even earlier and later than that. Unless you use the ferry every day then you just have no idea of what kind of impact this will have, they are one of the worst run services around, even if you’re not a local you see it in the news every month.  As I’ve said, it took me just under 2 1/2 hours round trip to do Elburton a few weeks ago. That’s 8 miles away. 15 extra minutes? Clueless. There’s a common theme developing here Rightside.

I dug myself this hole but it’s been so painful reading some of the replies. If we have to go east then that’s what will happen and the club will give it everything. But. If what we have predicted does come true then that will be down to a few men in a office with no clue of the blood, sweat and tears gone into Millbrook these last few years (just like many other clubs). I hope we’re wrong and we will have to see but everyone will know we were against it. Fingers crossed with whatever the final decision is that we and all clubs can continue to develop. 

[Millbrook Chairman]

On 16/04/2019 at 11:25, rapid winger 7 said:

Are Millbrook serious? A few years ago they played the victims begging for money “to survive” and everyone obliged to help them out. They then did their clubhouse up with everyone else’s money along with other non critical things. They are now playing the victims again pleading poverty trying to claim the likes of St Blazey don’t deserve promotion and have to wait because they are not getting what they want again. Millbrook have been helped a lot recently and I think other clubs deserve a bit of help as well. You are not as hard done by as you are making out Millbrook and I think you are being a bit selfish after all the help you had from other clubs and possibly a bit ungrateful. As my Nan once said, “eaten bread is soon forgotten”. You are not the only club who have hard workers who deserve more 

Wow another clown with a false name and account ! you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, our clubhouse hasn’t had one penny spent on it in years anyone visiting it would bare witness to that, every penny we raised with some donations from other clubs went on debt, so before you come on here quoting absolute garbage get your facts right.

we also care about other grassroots clubs and have donated to other clubs recently.to help whenever we can.

You can pop down and see me for a chat and I will provide you with accurate information regarding our club if you are grown up and adult enough to do so but I doubt that very much what an idiot !! 

 

[RedRuth68]

On 16/04/2019 at 18:14, Rob1978 said:

These are not county leagues!! If a club wants to play county football it can join the St Pirans league.

Think you’ve hit the nail on the head. If a club has ambition to achieve and compete in a football league, then travel shouldn’t be an issue, if it is and it would be suitable to commit to county football then dispensation into St Pirian would be your choice. 

[Webby191]

Too flippant RedRuth and too easy to over simplify it. It’s too easy for people to just say, ‘oh it’s only a few more miles, it’s only a bit more time, travel shouldn’t be an issue & it’s only a bit more money’. ‘If you can’t do it then you’re not dedicated enough or you don’t belong at this level’. With no disrespect intended (although some will happily let it be purely to be able to be antagonistic) this is grass roots football. We’re at the bottom of the ladder near enough.This is a hobby for most. Decisions shouldn’t be made with no real analysis of the potential impact.

We’re at a stage currently where we couldn’t possibly progress anymore. We’ve only just got into step 6 as it is. Our infrastructure just allows this and hopefully one day would allow for more. But we are no where near that. We knew what we were getting with promotion last season. This debacle has been forced upon us without so much as a conversation to see how it could effect us. Too easy for people to come on here and ‘speak before they think’.