CFA Statement - 28th February

[cornishteddyboy]

Cornwall County Football
Association Limited
Kernow House, 15 Callywith Gate, Launceston Road, Bodmin. PL31 2RQ

St. Piran League Applications and Update

Applications

The deadline for submitting a formal application to participate in the St.Piran League for the 2019/20 season was on Sunday 24th February, we are delighted to say that 20 clubs, listed below, have submitted an application. In addition to these teams it is already confirmed that Bude Town and Ludgvan will be founding members of the St.Piran League and they will be joined by any teams not successful with their application to join The South West Peninsula League at Step 6 of the National League System.

AFC St Austell Reserves
Falmouth Town FC Reserves
Hayle FC
Helston Athletic FC Reserves
Illogan RBL FC
Liskeard Athletic Reserves
Mousehole AFC Reserves
North Petherwin
Penryn Athletic FC
Perranporth FC
Perranwell FC
Polperro AFC
Saltash United Reserves
St Agnes AFC
St Day FC
St Dennis AFC Reserves
St.Just AFC
Torpoint Athletic FC Reserves
Wadebridge Town Reserves
Wendron United Reserves

Sponsorship

We are delighted to announce that Kernow Stone will be partnering with The St. Piran League, they will be sponsoring the League Cup Competition and will allow the league to offer prize money for this competition.

Kernow Stone

Kernow Stone is the leading providers of natural stone in Cornwall. Its parent company, Martin and Sons, was founded in 1909, and now sees the fourth and fifth generation of the Martin family working together towards the fabrication of natural stone. With over 20 years of experience in this market and thousands of happy customers across Devon, Cornwall and Somerset, Kernow Stone can supply and install granite and quartz worktops, supply natural stone wall and floor tiles, house signs, slate sills and more. https://www.granite-worktops-cornwall.co.uk

The League will continue to search for additional partners with similarly strong Cornish identities and a reputation for quality and would ask anyone interested in being part of this County Wide League to get in contact with League Secretary Steve Carpenter stpiransec@hotmail.com or Richard Pallot from the Cornwall FA. richard.pallot@cornwallfa.com

Next Steps

To ensure consistency across the St. Piran League and the new Step 7 Leagues in Devon there will be a meeting with representatives of The St. Piran League, Cornwall FA, the new 2 division Step 7 League in Devon, Devon FA and The South West Peninsula League where we will be discussing several topics.

We are also aware of the effect the changes will have on the other Saturday Leagues in Cornwall and a meeting has been scheduled with representatives of the East Cornwall Premier League, Cornwall Combination League, The Duchy League and The Trelawny League to discuss the impact of the changes and how we are best placed to support these leagues moving forward.

If you do have any questions or would like further information then please contact Richard Pallot at Cornwall FA on the email address above or call 01208 262983.

[cornishteddyboy]

Perranporth FC        2.565

Saltash United Reserves  2.467

Penryn Athletic FC   2.292

AFC St Austell Reserves 2.2

Polperro AFC   2.2

St Day FC        2.16

Torpoint Athletic FC Reserves 2.154

Helston Athletic FC Reserves  2.148

Perranwell FC  2.0

Illogan RBL FC        1.864

Falmouth Town FC Reserves  1.82

Hayle FC 1.577

Liskeard Athletic Reserves       1.429
Wendron United Reserves       1.174
St Agnes AFC  1.16
St.Just AFC     1.0
Wadebridge Town Reserves    0.57
 

Mousehole AFC Reserves

St Dennis AFC Reserves

North Petherwin

[MattP]

3 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said:

Perranporth FC        2.565

Saltash United Reserves  2.467

Penryn Athletic FC   2.292

AFC St Austell Reserves 2.2

Polperro AFC   2.2

St Day FC        2.16

Torpoint Athletic FC Reserves 2.154

Helston Athletic FC Reserves  2.148

Perranwell FC  2.0

Illogan RBL FC        1.864

Falmouth Town FC Reserves  1.82

Hayle FC 1.577

Liskeard Athletic Reserves       1.429
Wendron United Reserves       1.174
St Agnes AFC  1.16
St.Just AFC     1.0
Wadebridge Town Reserves    0.57
 

Mousehole AFC Reserves

St Dennis AFC Reserves

North Petherwin

That doesn’t look too bad a spread, geographically 

[Adlestrop]

That's 12:where are the other 4 coming from : Ludgvan? Bude ? ? ? or the next 4 on the points average- Liskeard, Wendron etc. ?

[Steve Carpenter]

25 minutes ago, Adlestrop said:

That's 12:where are the other 4 coming from : Ludgvan? Bude ? ? ? or the next 4 on the points average- Liskeard, Wendron etc. ?

Ludgvan and Bude plus what's left of the Cornish clubs that don't get into the Cornish division of the Peninsula League.

[Adlestrop]

So Liskeard,Wendron,St.Agnes and St.Just will not be considered.Can it be assumed,Steve,that the other 2 will probable be St.Blazey,and Dobwalls ?

 

[MattP]

1 minute ago, Adlestrop said:

So Liskeard,Wendron,St.Agnes and St.Just will not be considered.Can it be assumed,Steve,that the other 2 will probable be St.Blazey,and Dobwalls ?

 

Based on current league tables, yes 

[Nick Pope]

Step 6 Priority Group Three: Dobwalls* Mousehole* St Dennis* Wendron United*

* Denotes unsuccessful clubs will be given a space at Step Seven.

I think maybe 2 from these?

[cornishteddyboy]

Bottom two Cornish sides in Div 1 West, currently Dobwalls and St Blazey should make up the other 2. Two sides from East Cornwall area which will help balance up the East-West spread of teams.

My guess anyway, and that is really all we can do until 31st May when the seasons finish for the CCL and ECPL. 

But like all good theories it's fun guessing. 

7 hours ago, Adlestrop said:

So Liskeard,Wendron,St.Agnes and St.Just will not be considered.Can it be assumed,Steve,that the other 2 will probable be St.Blazey,and Dobwalls ?

 

They can only do one thing to promote themselves now and that is win every game they can to boost their Points Per Game average. 

Hayle could lose a couple of games, Liskeard Reserves win a couple and they would swap places and put Liskeard into the top 12. 

It's now down to the club's own performance on the pitch..

 

[Mr Justice]

Who were the Combo clubs that dropped their applications?

[MattP]

3 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said:

Bottom two Cornish sides in Div 1 West, currently Dobwalls and St Blazey should make up the other 2. Two sides from East Cornwall area which will help balance up the East-West spread of teams.

My guess anyway, and that is really all we can do until 31st May when the seasons finish for the CCL and ECPL. 

But like all good theories it's fun guessing. 

They can only do one thing to promote themselves now and that is win every game they can to boost their Points Per Game average. 

Hayle could lose a couple of games, Liskeard Reserves win a couple and they would swap places and put Liskeard into the top 12. 

It's now down to the club's own performance on the pitch..

 

Could see a few interesting team selections across the county once the evening games kick in and Peninsula season ends in that case

[baldy]

1 hour ago, Mr Justice said:

Who were the Combo clubs that dropped their applications?

St Ives and Porthleven I think

[Dave Deacon]

The deadline for submitting a formal application to participate in the St.Piran League for the 2019/20 season was on Sunday 24th February, we are delighted to say that 20 clubs, listed below, have submitted an application. In addition to these teams it is already confirmed that Bude Town and Ludgvan will be founding members of the St.Piran League and they will be joined by any teams not successful with their application to join The South West Peninsula League at Step 6 of the National League System.

 

AFC St Austell Reserves

Falmouth Town FC Reserves

Hayle FC

Helston Athletic FC Reserves

Illogan RBL FC

Liskeard Athletic Reserves

Mousehole AFC Reserves

North Petherwin

Penryn Athletic FC

Perranporth FC

Perranwell FC

Polperro AFC

Saltash United Reserves

St Agnes AFC

St Day FC

St Dennis AFC Reserves

St.Just AFC

Torpoint Athletic FC Reserves

Wadebridge Town Reserves

Wendron United Reserves

 

The clubs that expressed interest were:-

Expressions of Interest Received for Step 7

Current Step 7	ECPL Premier	Cornwall Combination
Bude Town  Ludgvan	AFC St Austell Reserves Liskeard Reserves  Millbrook Reserves Polperro Saltash United Reserves Torpoint Athletic Reserves Wadebridge Town Reserves	Falmouth Town Reserves Hayle Helston Athletic Reserves Illogan RBL Penryn Athletic Perranporth Perranwell Porthleven Reserves St Agnes  St Day St Ives Town St.Just Wendron Utd Reserves
	ECPL Division 1
	Morwenstow  Newquay Reserves St Stephen
	Duchy League	Trelawny League
	Calstock Foxhole Stars  North Petherwin Sticker Reserves St Dennis Reserves	Mousehole Reserves

 

[Dagerags]

St Ives decided against applying after much conversation amongst the committee and team. This time last year we were struggling to get 10 men most Saturdays, we are instead hoping to retain our playing squad and add a second team to the club. 

Sometimes you have to know your limits and Bude away on a Tuesday in August will never be achievable from here for us. 

[Shouter]

North Petherwin? Nothing against the club, but how will they meet ground standards for this new league?

[Steve Carpenter]

1 hour ago, Dagerags said:

Sometimes you have to know your limits and Bude away on a Tuesday in August will never be achievable from here for us. 

One thing I can guarantee is that this wouldn't happen.

[Dagerags]

And that’s great but that information wasn’t put out there, so we felt we couldn’t risk it. Good luck with it, be a very competitive league. 

[Fanfare]

There's nothing to stop clubs like St Ives Town joining next season or in the future. In 1951, 12 'brave' clubs competed in a new league known as the South Western League. Clubs including Helston,  Tavistock and Wadebridge saw it to be a positive step forward and within a few years Bugle and Camelford joined the fold and although some clubs fell by the wayside, the league became a success and some wish it was still operating now.

[Number13]

Will ‘senior’ and ‘junior’ league status exist next season?

[Steve Carpenter]

44 minutes ago, Number13 said:

Will ‘senior’ and ‘junior’ league status exist next season?

They don't exist now.  The only distinction is a table in CCFA Rules that is used to determine who enters which county cup.  Junior is used as as term but only when referring to kids football.

[Number13]

But it is still a term used in league rules e.g. only 2 senior players can play in a duchy league match however an ecpl team can play an unlimited amount of players from a SWPL team. 

[Dave Bartlam]

1 hour ago, Number13 said:

But it is still a term used in league rules e.g. only 2 senior players can play in a duchy league match however an ecpl team can play an unlimited amount of players from a SWPL team. 

The term used is "higher ranked players", not senior.

[Paul Collings]

I think the question being asked really is:-

Will the East Cornwall & Combination League teams still be in the Senior Cup and will players at St Piran and Peninsula level be totally free to play in East Cornwall & Combo matches ?

Here in the east, most Duchy teams wanting to move into the East Cornwall Lge have done so to get what most of us old gits still refer to as Senior status. This was particularly important for reserve sides as they have had the freedom to shift players between teams without restriction.

If the ecpl is relegated to what most of us old gits still refer to as Junior status then it would be pretty much redundant and it would be more practical for the Duchy Lge to have an extra division above its current Premier.

I must stress this is just my personal opinion.

 

[Adlestrop]

In other words,Paul, merge Duchy/EC and Trelawney/Combo :with each new set-up having promotion/relegation with the new League.

This,surely,would make life easier for everyone in the county-Clubs and Administators: IF there are enough to fill the posts.

your thoughts,Paul ?

[John Mead]

10 minutes ago, Adlestrop said:

In other words,Paul, merge Duchy/EC and Trelawney/Combo :with each new set-up having promotion/relegation with the new League.

This,surely,would make life easier for everyone in the county-Clubs and Administators: IF there are enough to fill the posts.

your thoughts,Paul ?

That's exactly the way it should be at sometime in the future. It's already been discussed between CCFA and the Leagues but it's not something which would be forced upon the Leagues or Clubs; they have the final say.

[Paul Collings]

18 minutes ago, John Mead said:

That's exactly the way it should be at sometime in the future. It's already been discussed between CCFA and the Leagues but it's not something which would be forced upon the Leagues or Clubs; they have the final say.

I wasn't actually meaning a merger.
50+ years of history for both Duchy & ECPL, i don't think either would really want to lose their identity but i'm not sure the ecpl at 'junior' level would work.

[Steve Carpenter]

1 hour ago, Paul Collings said:

I think the question being asked really is:-

Will the East Cornwall & Combination League teams still be in the Senior Cup and will players at St Piran and Peninsula level be totally free to play in East Cornwall & Combo matches ?

I wouldn't want to pre-empt any changes that may or may not be made to the Senior Cup that's very much for Dave Bray and the Competitions Committee and I know it's being looked at closely.  Now that we have a better idea of where we are regarding membership of St Piran that will help their deliberations.  I would emphasise that NO decisions have been made yet and it is something that could perhaps be discussed on Monday.  Whether St Piran and Peninsula players will be totally free to play in East Cornwall & Combo matches is entirely dictated by the rules of those leagues. 

1 hour ago, Adlestrop said:

In other words,Paul, merge Duchy/EC and Trelawney/Combo :with each new set-up having promotion/relegation with the new League.

This,surely,would make life easier for everyone in the county-Clubs and Administators: IF there are enough to fill the posts.

your thoughts,Paul ?

It certainly would be a much cleaner structure but, as John Mead rightly states, this would be very much for the clubs of those leagues to decide. 

[Fanfare]

I could see ECPL agreeing, the Combo not agreeing and we have another Brexit style situation happening....

[Adlestrop]

Get Isaac Rosenberg to sort it out !

[Martin Eddy]

To be fair it was being muted last year of merging Trelawney and Combo leagues

[John Mead]

1 hour ago, Paul Collings said:

I wasn't actually meaning a merger.
50+ years of history for both Duchy & ECPL, i don't think either would really want to lose their identity but i'm not sure the ecpl at 'junior' level would work.

Personally, I think there should be a 3rd, "Intermediate" Cup between SC & JC. This would give more teams the chance of winning something and - if structured carefully - would give more 2nd and/or 3rd teams a chance to be part of the Country Cup competitions.

[BIG AL]

4 hours ago, Steve Carpenter said:

I wouldn't want to pre-empt any changes that may or may not be made to the Senior Cup that's very much for Dave Bray and the Competitions Committee and I know it's being looked at closely.  Now that we have a better idea of where we are regarding membership of St Piran that will help their deliberations.  I would emphasise that NO decisions have been made yet and it is something that could perhaps be discussed on Monday.  Whether St Piran and Peninsula players will be totally free to play in East Cornwall & Combo matches is entirely dictated by the rules of those leagues. 

It certainly would be a much cleaner structure but, as John Mead rightly states, this would be very much for the clubs of those leagues to decide. 

There is no reason why these clubs should not be in the senior cup if just for once, the Cornwall fa think logically, but I doubt if that is possible!

[Adlestrop]

On ‎02‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 09:31, Paul Collings said:

I wasn't actually meaning a merger.
50+ years of history for both Duchy & ECPL, i don't think either would really want to lose their identity but i'm not sure the ecpl at 'junior' level would work.

Why not gracefully disband both Leagues and form a new one(The Caradon League?) consisting of all remaining clubs ,with a Premier  division based on ground grading

facilities ;and say 3 other divisions. I suspect the biggest obstacle would be getting willing volunteers to administer the thing.

Would you be available,Paul?

[Soccer Follower]

I don't know whether this has been asked before.

What if clubs in positions to progress to the Combination League from the Trelawny League Premier Division are unable to accept promotion because they do not meet the criteria or have another team from that club already in the Combination League or even do not wish to move? Do the Committee simply move onto the next club down the final finishing order or maybe into subsequent Leagues?

[Steve Carpenter]

7 minutes ago, Soccer Follower said:

I don't know whether this has been asked before.

What if clubs in positions to progress to the Combination League from the Trelawny League Premier Division are unable to accept promotion because they do not meet the criteria or have another team from that club already in the Combination League or even do not wish to move? Do the Committee simply move onto the next club down the final finishing order or maybe into subsequent Leagues?

This scenario is covered under standard league rules Nigel.  The Combination would have vacancies and clubs could apply to fill them.  It would then be up to the league as to whether they would take them or not.  I'm sure there will be discussions between the 2 leagues.

[Paul Collings]

12 hours ago, Adlestrop said:

Why not gracefully disband both Leagues and form a new one(The Caradon League?) consisting of all remaining clubs ,with a Premier  division based on ground grading

facilities ;and say 3 other divisions. I suspect the biggest obstacle would be getting willing volunteers to administer the thing.

Would you be available,Paul?

I had the 'Chough Championship' in mind but am definitely looking forward to going 'football free' soon - new start, new people would be ideal.

[John Mead]

9 minutes ago, Paul Collings said:

I had the 'Chough Championship' in mind but am definitely looking forward to going 'football free' soon - new start, new people would be ideal.

None of us getting any younger, Paul. It could be that amalgamations are the best way forward to ensure there are enough people to run the Leagues!

[Guest]

On 03/03/2019 at 21:00, Adlestrop said:

Why not gracefully disband both Leagues and form a new one(The Caradon League?) consisting of all remaining clubs ,with a Premier  division based on ground grading

facilities ;and say 3 other divisions. I suspect the biggest obstacle would be getting willing volunteers to administer the thing.

Would you be available,Paul?

And would you be available Adlestrop?

[Number13]

With football entering the business end of the season, do we know anymore about who will make up the new St Piran league?

Will all the teams that applied still want to enter?

Is their any truth in the  rumour that st blazey and dobwalls will be playing in step 6 next season? (That’s what their players have been told).

[Steve Carpenter]

21 hours ago, Number13 said:

With football entering the business end of the season, do we know anymore about who will make up the new St Piran league?

Will all the teams that applied still want to enter?

Is their any truth in the  rumour that st blazey and dobwalls will be playing in step 6 next season? (That’s what their players have been told).

Nothing more to report on the make up as that will be determined by the number of points gained by the applicants between now and the end of the season.  Now evening fixtures are underway that picture will become clearer much more quickly.

Nobody has withdrawn from the process as far as I am aware.

There are three possible scenarios here.  Both, one or neither of these clubs could be playing at Step 6 next season and all are dependent on possible promotions for Devon clubs.  If there are insufficient Devon clubs for Step 6, and they may be up to two short because of the promotions, then it's looking like two Cornish clubs will move across the 'fuzzy' border to make up the numbers.  I wouldn't want to guess what the outcome will be as all of this will be dealt with by the FA but I suspect certainly one and quite possibly both clubs will be in Step 6 next season.  I could of course be completely wrong.  We will know for sure at the seasons end.