LWC Drinks Combination League Results and table - Saturday 24th November 2018

[cornishteddyboy]

Results for
Saturday 24th November 2018 
Carharrack (Tom Fisher, Luke Worral) 2-2 West Cornwall (Robbie Condie, Josh Richards) 
Att - 25
Lizard Argyle 0-5 Helston Athletic Reserves (Charlie Young, Dan Stidwell, Fraser Paterson, Jamie Thompson, Jamie Thirkle)
Att - 45
Mullion p-p Porthleven Reserves 
Pendeen Rovers (Sean Sweeney 2, Alex Ralph) 3-0 Illogan RBL 
Att - 30
Penryn Athletic (Bradley Leivers, Josh Sharpe, Harry Roberts, Ryan Reeve) 4-1 Hayle (Zack Williams)
Att - 30
Perranporth (Justin Searle 4, Jakob Springall 2) 6-2 Redruth United (Ben Widdershoven, OG) 
Att - 30
Perranwell (Jim Wilsher, Adam Selley) 2-3 St Agnes (Mark Bell 2, Ed Wilton)
Att - 52
RNAS Culdrose 0-7 Falmouth Town Reserves (Jack Pledger 3, Gavin Perraton 2, Rhys Allen, Oscar FErgus-Gay) 
Att - 13
St Day (Dan Richards 3, Nathan Taylor, Gavin Boon) 5-3 Wendron United Reserves (Jack Noy 2, Scott Palmer) 
Att - 32
St Ives Town (Max Davies 2, Josh Otto, Josh Magin) 4-0 St Just 
Att - 42

At 5pm on 24/11/18 
St Ives climb one place, Pendeen three, St Agnes up three as well. Carharrack lose their minus figure.
POS TEAM PL W D L F A GD PTS
1 FALMOUTH TOWN RESERVES 19 13 2 4 73 23 50 41
2 PERRANPORTH 15 12 1 2 53 15 38 37
3 ST DAY 17 11 3 3 49 33 16 36
4 PENRYN ATHLETIC 16 10 2 4 59 16 43 34*
5 HELSTON ATHLETIC RESERVES 17 11 1 5 62 31 31 34
6 ST IVES TOWN 14 10 2 2 46 12 34 32
7 HAYLE 15 10 0 5 46 22 24 30
8 PERRANWELL 14 9 0 5 29 16 13 27
9 ILLOGAN RBL 15 7 2 6 40 25 15 23
10 MULLION 15 7 0 8 20 33 -13 21
11 PENDEEN ROVERS 15 6 1 8 38 38 0 19
12 ST JUST 13 5 3 5 31 28 3 18
13 ST AGNES 17 5 3 9 37 56 -19 18
14 RNAS CULDROSE 15 5 3 6 19 41 -22 18
15 LIZARD ARGYLE 16 5 2 9 34 37 -3 17
16 WENDRON UNITED RESERVES 16 4 4 8 37 44 -7 16
17 REDRUTH UNITED 16 4 1 11 25 59 -34 13
18 PORTHLEVEN RESERVES 16 2 0 14 22 89 -67 6
19 WEST CORNWALL 13 1 2 10 13 55 -42 5
20 CARHARRACK 15 0 4 11 16 76 -60 0*

 

[Anita]

Just heard Mullion v Porthleven off no ref.

[stevieb]

40 minutes ago, Anita said:

Just heard Mullion v Porthleven off no ref.

Bit early to call off for no ref 

[cornish leg end]

Abit early to call it off when there is likely to be other games off anyway. Sure it's nothing to do with port not a me to raise a side??

[Mr Justice]

The worrying thing is the referee shortage has crept onto the Combination League!  I know it sounds harsh but to keep the prestige of playing at this level I think the Combo should be guaranteed a match official even if it means pulling from the leagues below. 

[Dave Bartlam]

7 hours ago, Mr Justice said:

The worrying thing is the referee shortage has crept onto the Combination League!  I know it sounds harsh but to keep the prestige of playing at this level I think the Combo should be guaranteed a match official even if it means pulling from the leagues below. 

Why though? With all due respect to the Combination League and their clubs, are they doing anything to actually recruit and retain referees? From my point of view, it's only the Trelawny League that actively try to recruit and retain. Why should we do all the hard work for other leagues to reap the rewards? 

Personally (and I'll probably put a nose or two out here), I'm glad that the combination league also feel the pinch. My most frustrating games as a match official this season have come from that league due to certain individuals! Hopefully people will start to realise that we all have to chip in to recruit and retain and more importantly, we must look after and treat the few referees we have left at this level with some respect!

[bighairydave]

7 hours ago, Mr Justice said:

The worrying thing is the referee shortage has crept onto the Combination League!  I know it sounds harsh but to keep the prestige of playing at this level I think the Combo should be guaranteed a match official even if it means pulling from the leagues below. 

It is the same as any league, I believe 3/4 day rule, so need permission to pull a referee from an appointment to a higher league. Stops very last minute pull outs which are unfair.

[cornish leg end]

Big game for us v West Cornwall today we will be hoping to collect our first 3 points of the season if this weather is kind to us. 

[Seagull4ever]

9 hours ago, cornishlegend said:

Abit early to call it off when there is likely to be other games off anyway. Sure it's nothing to do with port not a me to raise a side??

It's our home fixture  so wouldnt be down to Port to call the game off because of no ref this early. Although i always thought you had to wait until mid day to call game off in case one became available. One disappointed supporter here!!..looks like shopping with the Mrs now instead!

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Shopping with the missus! I'd find a game somewhere to avoid that.

[Dave Bartlam]

24 minutes ago, Seagull4ever said:

It's our home fixture  so wouldnt be down to Port to call the game off because of no ref this early. Although i always thought you had to wait until mid day to call game off in case one became available. One disappointed supporter here!!..looks like shopping with the Mrs now instead!

Our league rules state that you have to wait until midday - we enforce that strictly, particularly after last season and the cancelling of the cup competitions. Not sure what the Combo's say - ours have the same construct but we have quite a few alterations.

We also encourage the Referee Appointments Officers to remove referees from games where the home team haven't made any contact to confirm the game. 

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

37 minutes ago, Dave Bartlam said:

Our league rules state that you have to wait until midday - we enforce that strictly, particularly after last season and the cancelling of the cup competitions. Not sure what the Combo's say - ours have the same construct but we have quite a few alterations.

We also encourage the Referee Appointments Officers to remove referees from games where the home team haven't made any contact to confirm the game. 

You're a hard man there Mr Bartlam....lol

[kevin richards]

11 hours ago, cornishlegend said:

Abit early to call it off when there is likely to be other games off anyway. Sure it's nothing to do with port not a me to raise a side??

🙄🙄🙄. Cornish Bell End. !!!

[cornishteddyboy]

Now been told the game is back on!

[Seagull4ever]

2 hours ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

Shopping with the missus! I'd find a game somewhere to avoid that.

Game is back on apparently??...she is not happy!!😕

[Kernowknocker]

Game is definitely off.

[Dave Bartlam]

2 hours ago, TheolderIgetthebetterIwas said:

You're a hard man there Mr Bartlam....lol

After the stick we got last season for cancelling the cups... We have to take a much firmer stance on the matter 😕

[Tom Trust]

4 hours ago, Dave Bartlam said:

. My most frustrating games as a match official this season have come from that league due to certain individuals!

Do you mean the lack of respect from players on the field, and managers? Now, I don't know what instructions you get from above about yellow cards but I haave a question: how many times can a player display dissent before he gets a yellow? From Premiership to Combo and beyond I think refs put up with too much. If a player runs to s ref to dispute a decision, thereby holding up the game, I'd give a yellow. If there are several players doing it - all yellows. The very next time a carded player runs up to the ref to disput a decision - 2nd yellow. Dissent, red cards and a proper respect for the ref would follow almost immediately. One thing to express your opinion that a decision is wrong whilst trotting back to defend the free kick (unless f and a language is used), but thereby not holding up the game or even being seen by spectators, whether at Pendeen or Stamford Bridge, to be doing so; but to behave towards the ref in such a way that you hold up the game - no! A few players would get reds in the first couple of weeks but it would cut out dissent and showing disrespect at a stroke. Simples, not rocket science!

[Dave Bartlam]

8 minutes ago, Tom Trust said:

Do you mean the lack of respect from players on the field, and managers? Now, I don't know what instructions you get from above about yellow cards but I haave a question: how many times can a player display dissent before he gets a yellow? From Premiership to Combo and beyond I think refs put up with too much. If a player runs to s ref to dispute a decision, thereby holding up the game, I'd give a yellow. If there are several players doing it - all yellows. The very next time a carded player runs up to the ref to disput a decision - 2nd yellow. Dissent, red cards and a proper respect for the ref would follow almost immediately. One thing to express your opinion that a decision is wrong whilst trotting back to defend the free kick (unless f and a language is used), but thereby not holding up the game or even being seen by spectators, whether at Pendeen or Stamford Bridge, to be doing so; but to behave towards the ref in such a way that you hold up the game - no! A few players would get reds in the first couple of weeks but it would cut out dissent and showing disrespect at a stroke. Simples, not rocket science!

And that's the issue... You are told to "manage" dissent where you can. Often, it becomes un-manageable. Then, when you've had enough of "managing" it, it then shocks the players when you start flashing the yellow cards! It is something I personally can't tolerate - and that's why I won't be seeking promotion to Level 4 to ref in the SWPL. Because, I'd get up there on merit and performance and then be demoted shortly after because my club marks would be awful because I'd deal with the crap the referees feel they have to take in order to progress.

Some of the things I've heard on the line to higher levelled referees shocks me sometimes - particularly when they let the players and managers get away with it. It's not because they don't want to deal with it, it's because they want the good marks from the clubs do don't want to draw attention to themselves for fear of a bad mark. Because club marks have a massive say in your banding for promotion, the referees have to do what they can to get the high marks. A totally corrupt system in my opinion which actually stops the referees from administering the correct action. I don't blame them for it. It's the system.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

55 minutes ago, Dave Bartlam said:

After the stick we got last season for cancelling the cups... We have to take a much firmer stance on the matter 😕

You'll have a crown on your shoulders in a minute!

Stand up straight there boy.

40 minutes ago, Tom Trust said:

Do you mean the lack of respect from players on the field, and managers? Now, I don't know what instructions you get from above about yellow cards but I haave a question: how many times can a player display dissent before he gets a yellow? From Premiership to Combo and beyond I think refs put up with too much. If a player runs to s ref to dispute a decision, thereby holding up the game, I'd give a yellow. If there are several players doing it - all yellows. The very next time a carded player runs up to the ref to disput a decision - 2nd yellow. Dissent, red cards and a proper respect for the ref would follow almost immediately. One thing to express your opinion that a decision is wrong whilst trotting back to defend the free kick (unless f and a language is used), but thereby not holding up the game or even being seen by spectators, whether at Pendeen or Stamford Bridge, to be doing so; but to behave towards the ref in such a way that you hold up the game - no! A few players would get reds in the first couple of weeks but it would cut out dissent and showing disrespect at a stroke. Simples, not rocket science!

You want football to collapse overnight!

[Tom Trust]

Collapse? Why would it collapse? I think the game would be massively improved. There'd be a spike of yellows and reds but the players would soon get the message and play the game. Additional to what I've already written, when the ball is placed for a free kick every opponent should be 10+ yards away. You see players running back past the bloke shaping to take the kick and then just past the ball. That's deliberate encroaching as far as I'm concerned and also merits a yellow. Collapse schmollapse: I want to see football played in a spirit of respect for the rules: we are witnessing a general lowering of respect for rules right across society, so why not start to reverse that?

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

55 minutes ago, Tom Trust said:

Collapse? Why would it collapse? I think the game would be massively improved. There'd be a spike of yellows and reds but the players would soon get the message and play the game. Additional to what I've already written, when the ball is placed for a free kick every opponent should be 10+ yards away. You see players running back past the bloke shaping to take the kick and then just past the ball. That's deliberate encroaching as far as I'm concerned and also merits a yellow. Collapse schmollapse: I want to see football played in a spirit of respect for the rules: we are witnessing a general lowering of respect for rules right across society, so why not start to reverse that?

It's called indiscipline,  starts from home....not the football field.

[Tom Trust]

I wouldn't disagree!

It is 2pm and I'm hoping Carahrrack's game is still on....

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

7 minutes to go, lights on.....4_1 to Penryn 

[Martin Eddy]

Perranporth 6 Redruth 2

Ben Widdershoven and og

[Tom Trust]

Carharrack 2, West Cornwall 2

OH! SO close!

0-1 (6), 1 - 1 (43), 2 -1 (61), 2 - 2 (88!)

Can't say WC didn't deserve to at least draw. They had the most attempts and Carharrack's young 'keeper made a couple of worldies  in each half from free kicks. Even after some intensive coaching, some players (7, 13, 16) still showing a tendency to dive in so still work to be done. A young side, but you are never too old to learn! Oh to be a teenager again when I knew everything..... Giving to a call is another priority which I've mentioned before.

Two lovely cups of tea at 50p kept out the cold: at least there was no wind today, just drizzle. Pitch held up well despite recent rain.

Might have found an answer to the ref shortage: West Cornwall's young 'keeper kept moaning about the apparently useless ref so I suggested that when he retired he should take up refereeing to show us how it should be done. He replied "I might have to" so someone get that man's name.....

[Cornish Dave]

17 minutes ago, Tom Trust said:

Carharrack 2, West Cornwall 2

OH! SO close!

0-1 (6), 1 - 1 (43), 2 -1 (61), 2 - 2 (88!)

Can't say WC didn't deserve to at least draw. They had the most attempts and Carharrack's young 'keeper made a couple of worldies  in each half from free kicks. Even after some intensive coaching, some players (7, 13, 16) still showing a tendency to dive in so still work to be done. A young side, but you are never too old to learn! Oh to be a teenager again when I knew everything..... Giving to a call is another priority which I've mentioned before.

Two lovely cups of tea at 50p kept out the cold: at least there was no wind today, just drizzle. Pitch held up well despite recent rain.

Might have found an answer to the ref shortage: West Cornwall's young 'keeper kept moaning about the apparently useless ref so I suggested that when he retired he should take up refereeing to show us how it should be done. He replied "I might have to" so someone get that man's name.....

Oh we’re not winning let’s blame the ref. Pathetic 

[stevieb]

Penryn 4- 1 Hayle , watched this one , met older before ko had a chat  , he has some good point not just on football , great to meet him again , pity no flag ash and chips ,  to the game deserved win for Penryn ,  some great saves from Caleb  , who didn't deserve to concede 4  , Penryn took the lead through a mistake with the defender being caught in possession  of the ball in the box , Hayle responded quickly from a set piece  with Zack  being unmarked  and scoring with his head , Penryn had more of the ball  , but Hayle broke with pace but didnt have anyone up top as an outlet , scond half Penryn were moving the ball around well  and regained the lead , a well taken third finished Hayle off  , Hayle had a couple of breaks with a good shout for a pen waved away  , and then gave one against  Hayle  , Caleb saved the pen but was beaten  by  the rebound . Several cards given to both sides ,  some seemed very harsh , but I wasn't in the middle  ,  one sour incident  Ray the Hayle lino gave a throw to Hayle and somebody shouted you f....... cheating  c... ,  I was in the stand funny when I shouted who said that it went very quiet ,  no need for it .  

[Martin Eddy]

Had that today at perranporth Steve but we shook hands at half-time but no c word

[stevieb]

4 minutes ago, Postman Pat said:

Had that today at perranporth Steve but we shook hands at half-time but no c word

Missed you last week ,  it's a throw for God's sake not a life or death incident, ,  even if it's wrongly flagged it usually  a mistake  , don't get it  ,  the C  word in my younger day was fighting talk , I didn't like it then and still don't now ,  I got pulled up for saying bugger the other week in walking football  .

 

[Martin Eddy]

I know missed speaking to you as well Steve linos union

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

55 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Penryn 4- 1 Hayle , watched this one , met older before ko had a chat  , he has some good point not just on football , great to meet him again , pity no flag ash and chips ,  to the game deserved win for Penryn ,  some great saves from Caleb  , who didn't deserve to concede 4  , Penryn took the lead through a mistake with the defender being caught in possession  of the ball in the box , Hayle responded quickly from a set piece  with Zack  being unmarked  and scoring with his head , Penryn had more of the ball  , but Hayle broke with pace but didnt have anyone up top as an outlet , scond half Penryn were moving the ball around well  and regained the lead , a well taken third finished Hayle off  , Hayle had a couple of breaks with a good shout for a pen waved away  , and then gave one against  Hayle  , Caleb saved the pen but was beaten  by  the rebound . Several cards given to both sides ,  some seemed very harsh , but I wasn't in the middle  ,  one sour incident  Ray the Hayle lino gave a throw to Hayle and somebody shouted you f....... cheating  c... ,  I was in the stand funny when I shouted who said that it went very quiet ,  no need for it .  

The players still get fag ash and chips Steve - they just don't know it ...lol

I'm the same as you, I always pick people up for using that word - not nice.

Well reffed I thought, but yes ....very free with the cards in what was not a nasty game at all.

[InBrendanWeTrust]

53 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Penryn 4- 1 Hayle , watched this one , met older before ko had a chat  , he has some good point not just on football , great to meet him again , pity no flag ash and chips ,  to the game deserved win for Penryn ,  some great saves from Caleb  , who didn't deserve to concede 4  , Penryn took the lead through a mistake with the defender being caught in possession  of the ball in the box , Hayle responded quickly from a set piece  with Zack  being unmarked  and scoring with his head , Penryn had more of the ball  , but Hayle broke with pace but didnt have anyone up top as an outlet , scond half Penryn were moving the ball around well  and regained the lead , a well taken third finished Hayle off  , Hayle had a couple of breaks with a good shout for a pen waved away  , and then gave one against  Hayle  , Caleb saved the pen but was beaten  by  the rebound . Several cards given to both sides ,  some seemed very harsh , but I wasn't in the middle  ,  one sour incident  Ray the Hayle lino gave a throw to Hayle and somebody shouted you f....... cheating  c... ,  I was in the stand funny when I shouted who said that it went very quiet ,  no need for it .  

Fair assessment of today’s game. Penryn the much better side for the entire game, once they got the second goal it didn’t take long to kill it. The scoreline resulted in some poor poor challenges from the hayle players, including one from the big centre half in the last 5, no attempt to play the ball at all, could’ve seen red for that. Looked out his depth. Other than that yellow, I agree with Stevie, some very questionable cards from today’s ref, not seen him before but card happy!

no linesman deserves to be called a cheat or a c*** that’s for sure, volunteer after all. But that’s football and emotions, id imagine in my day a few people would’ve made the same comment, seemed as if the Lino was doing all he could to get hayle back into the game! 

Good to see the game on at Kernick, pitched held up well considering recent weather.

 

wish both sides all the best for the rest of the season

 

[stevieb]

1 hour ago, InBrendanWeTrust said:

Fair assessment of today’s game. Penryn the much better side for the entire game, once they got the second goal it didn’t take long to kill it. The scoreline resulted in some poor poor challenges from the hayle players, including one from the big centre half in the last 5, no attempt to play the ball at all, could’ve seen red for that. Looked out his depth. Other than that yellow, I agree with Stevie, some very questionable cards from today’s ref, not seen him before but card happy!

no linesman deserves to be called a cheat or a c*** that’s for sure, volunteer after all. But that’s football and emotions, id imagine in my day a few people would’ve made the same comment, seemed as if the Lino was doing all he could to get hayle back into the game! 

Good to see the game on at Kernick, pitched held up well considering recent weather.

 

wish both sides all the best for the rest of the season

 

Don't agree about the lino Brendan , how could he get Hayle back in the game from his own half ?    Which in the second half they didn't get out much apart from late on , 

[Martin Eddy]

Fair play Steve we control the game in both half’s of the field, who needs a ref 👍

    Hoping to get involved in walking football soon

 

[InBrendanWeTrust]

2 hours ago, stevieb said:

Don't agree about the lino Brendan , how could he get Hayle back in the game from his own half ?    Which in the second half they didn't get out much apart from late on , 

Okay, maybe not get them back in it directly, but stopping it getting worse!

[cornish leg end]

14 hours ago, Tom Trust said:

Carharrack 2, West Cornwall 2

OH! SO close!

0-1 (6), 1 - 1 (43), 2 -1 (61), 2 - 2 (88!)

Can't say WC didn't deserve to at least draw. They had the most attempts and Carharrack's young 'keeper made a couple of worldies  in each half from free kicks. Even after some intensive coaching, some players (7, 13, 16) still showing a tendency to dive in so still work to be done. A young side, but you are never too old to learn! Oh to be a teenager again when I knew everything..... Giving to a call is another priority which I've mentioned before.

Two lovely cups of tea at 50p kept out the cold: at least there was no wind today, just drizzle. Pitch held up well despite recent rain.

Might have found an answer to the ref shortage: West Cornwall's young 'keeper kept moaning about the apparently useless ref so I suggested that when he retired he should take up refereeing to show us how it should be done. He replied "I might have to" so someone get that man's name.....

Tom

Have to agree with you this week. We tryed to play football on a difficult pitch things we have worked on in training. West Cornwall looked to play the diagonal killer ball which the first half worked for them. Cool finish for them to go 1 up. In all fairness to West Cornwall they got in behind 3 or 4 times the first half and with off young Ross woolcock in goal they could have been a few up. I have never seen such a young keeper so fearless at coming off his line so fast and winning the ball. We had 1 chance other than our goal the first half that was clear cut but well saved  

2nds half we kept trying to play the same way. With the pitch cutting up. Jake Gregory causing trouble for West Cornwall with his strength.  Tom Fisher outstanding in the centre of midfield everything good coming from him. And it was him who eventually put us a ahead deservedly so. But the  we stood off then and they created and other 3 or 4 chances. 2 off the line and then they equalized very late. 

West Cornwall may feel they had the chances to win the game but a draw we will take and build again with more big games to come.

Good luck to West Cornwall for rest of season. 

[ballsax]

1 hour ago, cornishlegend said:

Tom

Have to agree with you this week. We tryed to play football on a difficult pitch things we have worked on in training. West Cornwall looked to play the diagonal killer ball which the first half worked for them. Cool finish for them to go 1 up. In all fairness to West Cornwall they got in behind 3 or 4 times the first half and with off young Ross woolcock in goal they could have been a few up. I have never seen such a young keeper so fearless at coming off his line so fast and winning the ball. We had 1 chance other than our goal the first half that was clear cut but well saved  

2nds half we kept trying to play the same way. With the pitch cutting up. Jake Gregory causing trouble for West Cornwall with his strength.  Tom Fisher outstanding in the centre of midfield everything good coming from him. And it was him who eventually put us a ahead deservedly so. But the  we stood off then and they created and other 3 or 4 chances. 2 off the line and then they equalized very late. 

West Cornwall may feel they had the chances to win the game but a draw we will take and build again with more big games to come.

Good luck to West Cornwall for rest of season. 

Pretty much spot on from both guys that have reported here. WC could have been out of sight but for some poor finishing and good Goalkeeping. In the end I think they'll be happy to get a point equalising that late! Think they were possibly robbed of a winner due to a "close" offside given against them at the death, but that's life, these things happen.

As for the young keeper blaming the ref, personally I thought the ref had a very good game. I've been out of football a while so not sure of his name, but a well done from me. All the best to both sides for the rest of the season.

[bighairydave]

9 minutes ago, ballsax said:

Pretty much spot on from both guys that have reported here. WC could have been out of sight but for some poor finishing and good Goalkeeping. In the end I think they'll be happy to get a point equalising that late! Think they were possibly robbed of a winner due to a "close" offside given against them at the death, but that's life, these things happen.

As for the young keeper blaming the ref, personally I thought the ref had a very good game. I've been out of football a while so not sure of his name, but a well done from me. All the best to both sides for the rest of the season.

Jon Green!

[cornish leg end]

I also thought the ref jon green was spot on yesterday. Played with common sense with the pitch the way it was and kept control of any tackles that did go in.let the game flow well.