leonardHofstadter Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 If rumours of ludgvan borrowing st Dennis players last week in their 16-0 battering are true. Can someone please explain to me why they haven’t been deducted points for playing ineligible players? rules are rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, leonardHofstadter said: If rumours of ludgvan borrowing st Dennis players last week in their 16-0 battering last week are true. Can someone please explain to me why they haven’t been deducted points for playing illegible players? rules are rules. Seems like Sunday football to me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, leonardHofstadter said: If rumours of ludgvan borrowing st Dennis players last week in their 16-0 battering last week are true. Can someone please explain to me why they haven’t been deducted points for playing illegible players? rules are rules. Think you mean ineligible mate ! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardHofstadter Posted October 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, mattelot said: Think you mean ineligible mate ! ?? Thanks fruit! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillageBoy Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 48 minutes ago, leonardHofstadter said: If rumours of ludgvan borrowing st Dennis players last week in their 16-0 battering are true. Can someone please explain to me why they haven’t been deducted points for playing ineligible players? rules are rules. I was told they 'borrowed' players YES.... But these players weren't actually signed to another SWPL team, from what I know they were St Dennis 2nd team players but NOT signed to another SWPL team so no issue or rules broken so technically these are now Ludgvan signed players (they may of been released after the game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightside O`theriver Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 06/10/2018 at 14:02, VillageBoy said: I was told they 'borrowed' players YES.... But these players weren't actually signed to another SWPL team, from what I know they were St Dennis 2nd team players but NOT signed to another SWPL team so no issue or rules broken so technically these are now Ludgvan signed players (they may of been released after the game) But were these players signed and registered with the SWPL within the allotted time ; before 4hrs of the kick off as I understand it. And even if they were, can a situation were two secretaries (or whoever) collude in an effort for one to avoid financial penalties and possible sanctions and the other to gain an unfair sporting advantage over others in the competition be allowed to go unquestioned ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 I think it’s forward thinking by the two clubs to get the game played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardHofstadter Posted October 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Postman Pat said: I think it’s forward thinking by the two clubs to get the game played. It is and everyone want a game of football on a Saturday but they should still get deducted points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, leonardHofstadter said: It is and everyone want a game of football on a Saturday but they should still get deducted points. Can't have one rule for one & not for the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, leonardHofstadter said: It is and everyone want a game of football on a Saturday but they should still get deducted points. Why? If they signed the players with the permission of the league and managed to fulfill the fixture at the expense of a huge loss. No rules appear to be broken therefore no deduction of points is necessary at this juncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seagulls Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 Let’s be honest poor all round . League , Fa , club, some one needs to organise this better, farcical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsman10 Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 What difference is having points deducted anyway ? If they were on -60 would it matter ? They don’t strike me as winning the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurler Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 9 hours ago, leonardHofstadter said: If rumours of ludgvan borrowing st Dennis players last week in their 16-0 battering are true. Can someone please explain to me why they haven’t been deducted points for playing ineligible players? rules are rules. It’s odd that you’ve made an account just to ask for the team rock bottom of the league (and highly likely to have to pull out completely) to get deducted more points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardHofstadter Posted October 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Hurler said: It’s odd that you’ve made an account just to ask for the team rock bottom of the league (and highly likely to have to pull out completely) to get deducted more points... All irrelevant. Rules are rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Hurler said: It’s odd that you’ve made an account just to ask for the team rock bottom of the league (and highly likely to have to pull out completely) to get deducted more points... Why the hell kick a dog when it is down. I bet the two teams contacted the league before the kick-off to confirm what they did was within the rules and regulations laid down or Ludgvan wouldn't have bothered with all the travelling and suffering the loss. As I say, we should be helping Ludgvan, not punishing them. 9 games played, minus 3 points, goal difference of minus 50, what good would a points penalty do. If they can rush through their remaining 19 league games they can be relegated back to the Combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Over the course of 90 minutes, four St Dennis players registered to play in the SWPL played for Ludgvan. Both clubs agreed to get the game on and whilst the SWPL wouldn’t be drawn on whether there will be any further sanction, they did tell me after that they were aware of the situation and the League’s integrity was of paramount importance too. In all honesty, in nearly 10 years of covering games for various media outlets, I’ve never witnessed anything quite like it. To say the game was farcical would be putting it lightly. That’s not a dig at Ludgvan either, they are trying hard to turn their fortunes around, but surely a time has to come when a decision, either by the club or the League themselves, needs to be made about their future going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 It doesn’t get any easier - Bere Alston away next Saturday ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, Dave Deacon said: It doesn’t get any easier - Bere Alston away next Saturday ! They won't play the fixture Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaoke Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, leedsunited said: They won't play the fixture Dave Well at least lets hope they pull out early so the referee can be appointed to another game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeb Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 No excuses for not raising a team. Nearly two months in, and only one league game at home, with the away games mostly east Cornwall and west Devon. Away again apparently to Bere Alston next week. Not saying it would make a difference, but I think it would have helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFC Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 12 hours ago, mikeb said: No excuses for not raising a team. Nearly two months in, and only one league game at home, with the away games mostly east Cornwall and west Devon. Away again apparently to Bere Alston next week. Not saying it would make a difference, but I think it would have helped Ludgvan usually start the season purposefully away from home the majority of the time due to cricket being held at the same venue (literally next to the pitch) and therefore can only have one at a time. So i assume (although the cricket season has ended now), the fixtures were done in this way at the request of ludgvan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbarry Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 They don’t have a side and it’s as simple as that, there 2nd team players don’t want to step up and there doesn’t even appear to be a manager in charge to bring players in so why bother carrying on the way there are????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 What happened with the Mousehole link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Fanfare said: What happened with the Mousehole link? Sniffing around Truro I've heard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightside O`theriver Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 On 06/10/2018 at 19:20, Fanfare said: Why? If they signed the players with the permission of the league and managed to fulfill the fixture at the expense of a huge loss. No rules appear to be broken therefore no deduction of points is necessary at this juncture. On 06/10/2018 at 22:35, sportsman10 said: What difference is having points deducted anyway ? If they were on -60 would it matter ? They don’t strike me as winning the league. On 07/10/2018 at 08:54, cornishteddyboy said: Why the hell kick a dog when it is down. I bet the two teams contacted the league before the kick-off to confirm what they did was within the rules and regulations laid down or Ludgvan wouldn't have bothered with all the travelling and suffering the loss. As I say, we should be helping Ludgvan, not punishing them. 9 games played, minus 3 points, goal difference of minus 50, what good would a points penalty do. If they can rush through their remaining 19 league games they can be relegated back to the Combo. It`s not about the points deduction, it`s the ramifications of the scoreline. Come the end of the season would other clubs be happy if they were beaten into one of the top four places on goal difference and thereby lose out on prize money or even receive none at all ? And would it be fair if the 16-0 `result` were to stand as the new record win for the West Division, as has been declared on the SWPL website ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, Rightside O`theriver said: It`s not about the points deduction, it`s the ramifications of the scoreline. Come the end of the season would other clubs be happy if they were beaten into one of the top four places on goal difference and thereby lose out on prize money or even receive none at all ? And would it be fair if the 16-0 `result` were to stand as the new record win for the West Division, as has been declared on the SWPL website ? Leave it stand I say. Give Tavistock something to aim for the next time they play Bodmin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Rightside O`theriver said: It`s not about the points deduction, it`s the ramifications of the scoreline. Come the end of the season would other clubs be happy if they were beaten into one of the top four places on goal difference and thereby lose out on prize money or even receive none at all ? And would it be fair if the 16-0 `result` were to stand as the new record win for the West Division, as has been declared on the SWPL website ? Stoke Gabriel beat Liverton United 23-0 a few seasons ago in the East Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotboy79 Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hi as a player who played that day up st Dennis it was unfortunate about wat happened and found it sporting of there club to help us out they could offsaid no but helped us out so the game got played dispite the result and yes we were missing few players due to illness but why don’t people get off ludgvan back and talk about wats gone on some where else who side have deployed and no one slagging them off on here u all wondering which team that is that players have left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 It’s a talking point because you have to admit it’s rather an unusual situation. How many clubs would have to sign presumably minimum 6 players from the opposing side? Unprecedented I would suggest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: It’s a talking point because you have to admit it’s rather an unusual situation. How many clubs would have to sign presumably minimum 6 players from the opposing side? Unprecedented I would suggest! I think it just shows Dave the Standard of local football as a whole, I can Never see it going back to how we remember the local scene used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribute Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, leedsunited said: I think it just shows Dave the Standard of local football as a whole, I can Never see it going back to how we remember the local scene used to be. Used to be a privilege to be involved with a senior team . After watching numerous games , as long as you can lace a pair of boots up your in . Especially what I’ve seen of east Cornwall Div 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, leedsunited said: I think it just shows Dave the Standard of local football as a whole, I can Never see it going back to how we remember the local scene used to be. And of course your lot at Bodmin helped by dragging players from their local areas for daft amounts of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Smiler said: And of course your lot at Bodmin helped by dragging players from their local areas for daft amounts of money. Bodmin without a reserve team seem to bring in players from South Devon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Tribute said: Used to be a privilege to be involved with a senior team . After watching numerous games , as long as you can lace a pair of boots up your in . Especially what I’ve seen of east Cornwall Div 1 ? U been watching old videos of ur self again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Looking at the games already played by Ludgvan it looks like they have a problem finding enough players to travel to play away matches. Perhaps there is a possible solution if other clubs are willing to move fixtures around. Their remaining away fixtures are at Bere Alston, Bude, Dobwalls, Liskeard, Mousehole, Marjon and Wendron. Perhaps the league can alter the fixtures at Bude, Marjon, etc, and put them at the end of the season. With the shorter trips to Mousehole and Wendron in the near future. Perhaps the Liskeard game could be mid-week. By playing the longer away games later on they can perhaps build up their squad of players so will have enough available to travel. Also playing mid-week they might have more available players. Just seems a simple solution if finding players able to travel is the problem. It gives the club time whilst not really disrupting the league program of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFC Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, cornishteddyboy said: Looking at the games already played by Ludgvan it looks like they have a problem finding enough players to travel to play away matches. Perhaps there is a possible solution if other clubs are willing to move fixtures around. Their remaining away fixtures are at Bere Alston, Bude, Dobwalls, Liskeard, Mousehole, Marjon and Wendron. Perhaps the league can alter the fixtures at Bude, Marjon, etc, and put them at the end of the season. With the shorter trips to Mousehole and Wendron in the near future. Perhaps the Liskeard game could be mid-week. By playing the longer away games later on they can perhaps build up their squad of players so will have enough available to travel. Also playing mid-week they might have more available players. Just seems a simple solution if finding players able to travel is the problem. It gives the club time whilst not really disrupting the league program of matches. a great idea, however, Liskeard away midweek may as well be called off now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Looking at the games already played by Ludgvan it looks like they have a problem finding enough players to travel to play away matches. Perhaps there is a possible solution if other clubs are willing to move fixtures around. Their remaining away fixtures are at Bere Alston, Bude, Dobwalls, Liskeard, Mousehole, Marjon and Wendron. Perhaps the league can alter the fixtures at Bude, Marjon, etc, and put them at the end of the season. With the shorter trips to Mousehole and Wendron in the near future. Perhaps the Liskeard game could be mid-week. By playing the longer away games later on they can perhaps build up their squad of players so will have enough available to travel. Also playing mid-week they might have more available players. Just seems a simple solution if finding players able to travel is the problem. It gives the club time whilst not really disrupting the league program of matches. Then you would just as well let all the clubs pick and choose when they play! Chaos would be the word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbarry Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, cornishteddyboy said: Looking at the games already played by Ludgvan it looks like they have a problem finding enough players to travel to play away matches. Perhaps there is a possible solution if other clubs are willing to move fixtures around. Their remaining away fixtures are at Bere Alston, Bude, Dobwalls, Liskeard, Mousehole, Marjon and Wendron. Perhaps the league can alter the fixtures at Bude, Marjon, etc, and put them at the end of the season. With the shorter trips to Mousehole and Wendron in the near future. Perhaps the Liskeard game could be mid-week. By playing the longer away games later on they can perhaps build up their squad of players so will have enough available to travel. Also playing mid-week they might have more available players. Just seems a simple solution if finding players able to travel is the problem. It gives the club time whilst not really disrupting the league program of matches. It’s bad enough players picking and choosing when they play let alone the clubs, I agree with older it would be chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Bere Alston away on Saturday, will Ludgvan compete this fixture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 21 hours ago, Fanfare said: Bodmin without a reserve team seem to bring in players from South Devon. Pity they can't bring a few supporters with them. I went Saturday was hardly anyone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, silly billy said: Pity they can't bring a few supporters with them. I went Saturday was hardly anyone there. Reserve teams thing of the past now, teams can't complete fixture's at the so called 'highest level' in Cornwall so can't see the hassle or bother setting out reserve sides in lower leagues with teams folding, pulling out, not raising a team etc etc ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzFan Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 Some clubs care about reserve teams and bringing young players into "senior" football. Looks like certain clubs don't really care about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbarry Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, PzFan said: Some clubs care about reserve teams and bringing young players into "senior" football. Looks like certain clubs don't really care about it. Is that why pz folded there’s a few seasons ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, bigbadbarry said: Is that why pz folded there’s a few seasons ago ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 hours ago, bigbadbarry said: Is that why pz folded there’s a few seasons ago Think it was more to do with the inability to find a manager willing to work with younger players - rather than a lack of desire to continue running a Reserve team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardHofstadter Posted October 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 Still waiting for those points to be deducted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 13, 2018 Report Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 hours ago, leonardHofstadter said: Still waiting for those points to be deducted What is your problem? They didn't do anything wrong! They are already on minus three. Went to watch today and they are a bunch of battlers. Playing against a gale it was 0-4 at half time but when they went down to ten through injury they conceded three more. My question to you @leonardHofstadter is why are you so anti-Ludgvan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Maybe its just a West problem! Heard that Big Ron is now manager of Penzance after a lot of NEW players have already flown the Magpies nest. What is going on down West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanfare Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Ludgvan have recruited the legend that is Dennis Pitt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, burt said: Maybe its just a West problem! Heard that Big Ron is now manager of Penzance after a lot of NEW players have already flown the Magpies nest. What is going on down West? Who was the manager at Penzance, heard they have lost a lot of players including their best player ( boy who scored for Falmouth Saturday in Vase?) Was expecting them to do well this season with their Summer recruitment, but looks as if it's gone a bit Wrong. Another Big club in termoil . When I was a lad playing they were one of the County's biggest & proudest clubs. Those old 'Black & White' Stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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