Paul Collings Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Superb evening for the second Duchy Knock Out Cup semi-final being played tonight at Lantoom (Dobwalls FC) 7.00pm St Mawgan take on Torpoint Ath for a place in the final at St Dennis this coming Sunday to take on Foxhole Stars (5.00 pm kick off) Tonights match officials are Gary Cornish Chris Nicholls and Robert Steggles Prior to the KO Cup Final on Sunday, Roche Reserves will face St Stephen Reserves in the final of the Bodmin Sports Trophies League Cup (2.00pm kick off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfootball Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 FT: Torpoint Athletic 3-1 St Mawgan Torpoint could have been out of sight at half time but went in 2-0 up after a few missed chances. The 2nd half saw an unfortunate OG to make it 2-1 and then chances were wasted at both ends with the keepers making important saves. Torpoint got the 3rd through a fine move then missed a penalty but played some rugged football to see the fixture out and reach their 2nd final of the season. After losing out on the Junior Cup at the Final hurdle they will be looking to continue their impressive form and take the silverware home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 What a cracking semi final tonight, Torpoint certainly had the upper hand first half but the second period I thought was St Mawgan's. I think if St Mawgan had managed some more clinical finishing on the night things could have been different - but it's all just a matter of opinion. Both clubs did themselves proud and it was a great advert for Duchy League football. Very well hosted by Dobwalls FC and sensibly refereed by Gary Cornish and his team. I was a little disappointed that St Mawgan didn't appear to come into the club for a drink after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Deacon Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Have to agree with Paul, a very good standard of football played by both teams and a credit to the Duchy Premier League.. Well refereed as well by Mr Cornish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Torpoint XI R.Bond A.Brayson / C.Westall / D.Rodgers / C.Bays M.Westall / J.Norman / B.West / C.Damerell W.Ferguson / B.Robbins Subs Used: C.Bartolini / A.Richardson I would have to say that I agree with the statements above. Torpoint started the game on the front foot, consistently turning the St.Mawgan back 4 with their wide men and strikers. The first goal came when a well flighted ball was finished by the on-rushing Damerell. Torpoint consistently made chances in the first half with the Mawgan keeper making 2 very good saves and 3 shots passing wide of the post. The second goal came with West cushioning a volley into midfield partner Norman to finish on the turn. St.Mawgan didn't go without their own chances in the first half however they struggled to stretch the keeper, Bond. Torpoint would've felt aggrieved not to have scored a couple more as the half time whistle blew. Torpoint knew that St.Mawgan would attack the second half from the off. Mawgan moved the football as has come accustom in the Duchy Premier this season, some neat football found the left-sided midfielder at the by-line hitting a cross between the Torpoint keeper and defender. The ball was knocked into the net off Bays as Bond attempted to clear. Mawgan maintained the pressure whilst ensuring that they did not get caught on the counter. If not for some fine stops from Bond the game could've taken a very different turn. On more than one occasion Bond was called into action 1 on 1 with Mawgan unable to convert. With tactical changes being made by Torpoint and a superb second period by West, Torpoint regained control. The high press from Ferguson was causing consistent problems. Torpoint soon made it 3-1 with the Duchy Premier Top Scorer Robbins placing the ball into the left hand corner after some good build up from Bays and Damerell. Not long after Robbins was given the chance to add to his hefty seasons tally but was unable to convert from the spot. In all the win, and another Final, for Torpoint was a fair result on the reflection of the game who now look forward to Sunday. Special thanks must go to the 3 officials, the game was well managed from their side. As always a delight to be hosted by Dobwalls, friendly club that really take pride in their facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Interesting to see Curtis damerell playing for torpoint last night as on the full time site he has only played 2 games in league competitions but you need to have played 3 before March 15th to play in semifinal or final ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmanaldo Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 50 minutes ago, 8 quid said: Interesting to see Curtis damerell playing for torpoint last night as on the full time site he has only played 2 games in league competitions but you need to have played 3 before March 15th to play in semifinal or final ? Depends when he signed on, as the rule also used to be that if you’d signed on before a certain date you were also eligible providing you’d not played for another team in that time. Correct me if I’m wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 46 minutes ago, Woodmanaldo said: Depends when he signed on, as the rule also used to be that if you’d signed on before a certain date you were also eligible providing you’d not played for another team in that time. Correct me if I’m wrong though. He plays on a regular basis for the 1st team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave bunt Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Woodmanaldo you are wrong, that rule was changed this season, you now have to play 3 games by March 15th to qualify for semi final & final. Foxhole had 1 player ineligible as he had played only 2 games by said date but had played in every round of the cup. Below is the rule which clearly states the amount of games a player has to play to qualify for semi final & final 2. A player registered for a Club in the League shall be eligible to play for that Club in one of the Cup Competitions, but he shall NOT play for more than one Club or more than one team of that Club, or in more than one of the Cup Competitions in any season. A player shall not play in a Semi-Final or Final match of a Cup Competition unless he has played in THREE or more games for that team in any Duchy League competition prior to 15th March in that season. A player who has been registered prior to the 31st October of the current season, but has not played the three requisite matches, may assist a team in a Semi-Final or Final match of a Competition providing he has not played for any other higher ranked team in competitive matches during the said season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellow Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 20 hours ago, Paul Collings said: What a cracking semi final tonight, Torpoint certainly had the upper hand first half but the second period I thought was St Mawgan's. I think if St Mawgan had managed some more clinical finishing on the night things could have been different - but it's all just a matter of opinion. Both clubs did themselves proud and it was a great advert for Duchy League football. Very well hosted by Dobwalls FC and sensibly refereed by Gary Cornish and his team. I was a little disappointed that St Mawgan didn't appear to come into the club for a drink after the match. Any news on the victors....or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmanaldo Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, dave bunt said: Woodmanaldo you are wrong, that rule was changed this season, you now have to play 3 games by March 15th to qualify for semi final & final. Foxhole had 1 player ineligible as he had played only 2 games by said date but had played in every round of the cup. Below is the rule which clearly states the amount of games a player has to play to qualify for semi final & final 2. A player registered for a Club in the League shall be eligible to play for that Club in one of the Cup Competitions, but he shall NOT play for more than one Club or more than one team of that Club, or in more than one of the Cup Competitions in any season. A player shall not play in a Semi-Final or Final match of a Cup Competition unless he has played in THREE or more games for that team in any Duchy League competition prior to 15th March in that season. A player who has been registered prior to the 31st October of the current season, but has not played the three requisite matches, may assist a team in a Semi-Final or Final match of a Competition providing he has not played for any other higher ranked team in competitive matches during the said season. That’s what I meant when I said you could play if you’ve signed on by a certain date but haven’t played for a higher ranking team. I think most people are aware of the rules, if in doubt you think they’d check with the league in advance which I always did if unsure of a player’s eligibility for cup games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 32 minutes ago, Woodmanaldo said: That’s what I meant when I said you could play if you’ve signed on by a certain date but haven’t played for a higher ranking team. I think most people are aware of the rules, if in doubt you think they’d check with the league in advance which I always did if unsure of a player’s eligibility for cup games. The original squad was sent to the league secretary for verification with the following: S.Rosevear, D.Medlin, M.Crowley & L.Gibbons ineligible due to sign on date and not accumulating the required fixtures by the second deadline. The new squad was issued and verified again prior to yesterday's game before being published in the KMD Cup programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Baller8 Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 If the situation is true that Torpoint, did indeed play an ineligible player then action needs to be taken, and sooner rather than later I might add! Issues like these should not be taken lightly or else you run the risk of the competition becoming farcical. Sorry if I’ve put my oar in the wrong water, so to speak, but as a Cornish football lover, I saw the post and couldn’t resist slotting my own 50p in. Just ask Real Madrid about how lightly football treats ineligibility after their expulsion from the domestic cup a few years back (if my memory serves true). The final is Sunday, would be a travesty for the issue to blow over with no definitive outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave bunt Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 According to Full time FA Damerell has only played 2 games & Bartolini has played 5 but three of these where after March 15th deadline Therefore 2 ineligible players played in last nights semi final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falselights Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Here is the FA produced programme with the FA verified teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave bunt Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 No Bartolini on that team sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Oh dear wot a mess,st mawgan in the final then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave bunt said: No Bartolini on that team sheet Bartolini added late. Was signed before 31st October thus did not require the 3 games according to league rules. "A player who has been registered prior to the 31st October of the current season, but has not played the three requisite matches, may assist a team in a Semi-Final or Final" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatRonaldo Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Imagine a big city team like torpoint having to bend the rules to play a little village team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave bunt Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Only if he has not played for a higher league team, please read the rules A player who has been registered prior to the 31st October of the current season, but has not played the three requisite matches, may assist a team in a Semi-Final or Final match of a Competition providing he has not played for any other higher ranked team in competitive matches during the said season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris allen Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Torpoint broke the rules plain and simple they have to be thrown out of the competition rules are put in place for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfootball Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, dave bunt said: No Bartolini on that team sheet whether he is on the team sheet makes no difference, he was a sub. there is no mention of team sheets/ subs in the cup rules and it states where no rule is listed to refer to the league rules. Those rules clearly state that the names of substututes are to be given to the referee no later than 5 minutes before the start of the match. The fact that the squad was asked for in advance is normally to allow the printing of programmes etc and this isnt required at earlier less significant stages of the competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 So who else has Bartolini played for this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: So who else has Bartolini played for this season? No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, L.Gibbons said: No one. So he’s not a problem then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin norman Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Good morning, whilst some of you seem to be acting like a bunch of women with your gossip at a coffee morning, Torpoint afc will respond with all facts and proof of correspondence to the league so it is clear that if any rule has been breached then evidence will prove who is accountable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris allen Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Glad to hear torpoint are going to sort out and Dave I take he has played for one of torpoints higher ranked teams that’s why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: So he’s not a problem then! Exactly. He's not a problem, and Damerell was cleared as eligible within communication prior to the submission of team sheet so no ineligible players fielded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris allen Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 I take it like last year there’s been a league error in the eligibility of the player in question as I understand he didn’t play his 3rd game for them till 17 th March which was 2 days after the league rules state maybe the duchy league could clear this up Sorry confusion Curtis damerall is the player in guestion plays for torpoint 1st team and has only played 2 league games the rule is 3 by the 15 th March foxhole had 2 players not allowed and as I understand callington had 6 not eligible so how can torpoint be given permission to play a player that is ineligible to play by there own rules only the duchy league can answer this maybe they will I understand now it sounds like it’s not torpoints fault they played him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted May 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 On behalf of the Duchy League I would like to confirm that Torpoint Athletic fielded two players in Wednesday’s Knock Out Cup Semi Final who were ineligible under Cup Rules. One of those players, C Damerell, was incorrectly sanctioned to play by the League for which the League is deeply apologetic. However the second ineligible player, C Bartolini, was not sanctioned to play and therefore Torpoint Athletic are unfortunately in breach of the Rule. As a consequence, Torpoint Athletic have been removed from the competition and St Mawgan have been re-instated to play in the Final on Sunday. Paul Collings Duchy League Vice Chairman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatRonaldo Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 ? Unbelievable Jeff Who will take the blame? heads should rolll. Embarrassing to a big city club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmer06 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Absolute hell up! Rules are rules I guess. Surely the Torpoint manager would question this sort of thing with the league to make sure ahead of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegrose Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jimmer06 said: Absolute hell up! Rules are rules I guess. Surely the Torpoint manager would question this sort of thing with the league to make sure ahead of the game? Sounds like summin prynner wud do do jimmer lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, Paul Collings said: On behalf of the Duchy League I would like to confirm that Torpoint Athletic fielded two players in Wednesday’s Knock Out Cup Semi Final who were ineligible under Cup Rules. One of those players, C Damerell, was incorrectly sanctioned to play by the League for which the League is deeply apologetic. However the second ineligible player, C Bartolini, was not sanctioned to play and therefore Torpoint Athletic are unfortunately in breach of the Rule. As a consequence, Torpoint Athletic have been removed from the competition and St Mawgan have been re-instated to play in the Final on Sunday. Paul Collings Duchy League Vice Chairman What sanction would Torpoint have required to authorise C.Bartolini to play? I can't see in the rules that the play needs to be authorised in a Cup Semi-Final. Only that the team sheet must be handed to the referee 5mins prior to KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmer06 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Just now, davegrose said: Sounds like summin prynner wud do do jimmer lol We always check the rules Dave, probably giving the league comittee a headache in return with all the questions asked. We work most of it out our self with the use of Fulltime mainly, I'm sure you do at St Dennis too???? What fun would it be without rules Grosey? 5 minutes ago, L.Gibbons said: What sanction would Torpoint have required to authorise C.Bartolini to play? I can't see in the rules that the play needs to be authorised in a Cup Semi-Final. Only that the team sheet must be handed to the referee 5mins prior to KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jimmer06 said: We always check the rules Dave, probably giving the league comittee a headache in return with all the questions asked. We work most of it out our self with the use of Fulltime mainly, I'm sure you do at St Dennis too???? What fun would it be without rules Grosey? This part would justify Bartolini is eligible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jimmer06 said: We always check the rules Dave, probably giving the league comittee a headache in return with all the questions asked. We work most of it out our self with the use of Fulltime mainly, I'm sure you do at St Dennis too???? What fun would it be without rules Grosey? He was signed pre 31st Oct, I believe in August & has not represented the first or second teams as mentioned for C.Damerell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted May 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, L.Gibbons said: What sanction would Torpoint have required to authorise C.Bartolini to play? I can't see in the rules that the play needs to be authorised in a Cup Semi-Final. Only that the team sheet must be handed to the referee 5mins prior to KO. Just to clarify, there is no requirement for the League to check that any player is eligible to play beforehand and the League could just let the teams work it out for themselves but the sensible approach is for squads to be notified in advance so that the League can confirm they are all eligible - ie 'sanction' them to play. As I have already stated Torpoint were incorrectly informed that Damerell was ok to play, he did not have any special permission (sanctioning). I think it is also fair to point out that Torpoint had not realised he was ineligible themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Paul Collings said: Just to clarify, there is no requirement for the League to check that any player is eligible to play beforehand and the League could just let the teams work it out for themselves but the sensible approach is for squads to be notified in advance so that the League can confirm they are all eligible - ie 'sanction' them to play. As I have already stated Torpoint were incorrectly informed that Damerell was ok to play, he did not have any special permission (sanctioning). I think it is also fair to point out that Torpoint had not realised he was ineligible themselves. So back to the original question, was Bartolini eligible or not? If he wasn't, why? From what it sounds like, the Club were unsure so sought guidance on the matter. If there was direction from the league that the playing of Damerell would lead to expulsion from the Cup then I'm sure the management would be ensured that he didn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin norman Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, Jimmer06 said: Absolute hell up! Rules are rules I guess. Surely the Torpoint manager would question this sort of thing with the league to make sure ahead of the game? I did question this and have all emails to prove it. I also have email from a certain person acknowledging their mistake, hense why he's emailed us saying he's handed in his resignation! I will say again, Chris bartolini was NOT ineligible, the fact he was not named was irrelevant, I personally told the ref before the game as the rules stated, we will be making an appeal I I feel we are being made scapegoats for someone else's mistake. Justin norman Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, Jimmer06 said: Absolute hell up! Rules are rules I guess. Surely the Torpoint manager would question this sort of thing with the league to make sure ahead of the game? Something that was highlighted by the management to the Club secretary, then passed to the league for verification. 4 players were unable to play with a final squad list then submitted and verified by the league prior to the evenings game. This has drawn a dark cloud over Sundays Final and affects the preparation not only of Torpoint OR St.Mawgan but also Foxhole. Clarification is required for all parties with appeals pending... An emergency meeting to be held tomorrow to save further embarrassment for the league officials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Damerell shouldn't of played,but he did so unfortunately for torpoint they broke the rules so there removed from the competition as set out in the duchy rules.i'd say it was purely an oversight/administrative error but it is what it is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfootball Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 On 25/05/2018 at 14:16, Paul Collings said: Just to clarify, there is no requirement for the League to check that any player is eligible to play beforehand and the League could just let the teams work it out for themselves but the sensible approach is for squads to be notified in advance so that the League can confirm they are all eligible - ie 'sanction' them to play. As I have already stated Torpoint were incorrectly informed that Damerell was ok to play, he did not have any special permission (sanctioning). I think it is also fair to point out that Torpoint had not realised he was ineligible themselves. but also need to point out that it is the first year of the new rule so the league should check. Bartolini was ok, dammerel was confirmed to be ok and the league accepted by email after the game that they made a mistake Therefore the league must allow the result to stand. Also, the team can appeal and a commitee meeting shall be held with attendance by the disqualified club present Calamity of errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's not a new rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishfootball Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Paul Collings said: On behalf of the Duchy League I would like to confirm that Torpoint Athletic fielded two players in Wednesday’s Knock Out Cup Semi Final who were ineligible under Cup Rules. One of those players, C Damerell, was incorrectly sanctioned to play by the League for which the League is deeply apologetic. However the second ineligible player, C Bartolini, was not sanctioned to play and therefore Torpoint Athletic are unfortunately in breach of the Rule. As a consequence, Torpoint Athletic have been removed from the competition and St Mawgan have been re-instated to play in the Final on Sunday. Paul Collings Duchy League Vice Chairman bartolini isnt illegal. your own bloody rules do not state that subs names have to be handed to the ref until 5 mins before the game. He hasnt played for any other club and is fine to play. Admit the error, apologise and get that cup final between torpoint and foxhole back on 2 minutes ago, 8 quid said: It's not a new rule it is but thats not the point pal (the league said so themselves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 quid Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Rule was in place last season & it's the clubs responsibility to check player eligibility,Curtis Damerell wasn't eligible to play end of & all the moaning & groaning ain't gonna change the fact that torpoint have been unfortunately but correctly removed from the competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 I would argue that the result is unfair on st mawgan as well if an ineligible was allowed to play, albeit with the wrong clearance. the game should be replayed with eligible players only and final moved date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goals Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Not surprised by this in the slightest. It’s clear to see torpoint did everything to make sure players were ok to play the semi final. Emails sent back and fourth, it’s seems that every team and indeed the league will always be against them. Completely neutral but if torpoint don’t play this final they will be in many others eyes, as my own as the winners. Goals x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gibbons Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Grant said: I would argue that the result is unfair on st mawgan as well if an ineligible was allowed to play, albeit with the wrong clearance. the game should be replayed with eligible players only and final moved date Totally agree. Incredibly unfair on St.Mawgan who could rightfully ask for a replay. The League wouldn't want to lose more money though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatRonaldo Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Sounds like torpoint are clutching are as many straws as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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