isaac rosenberg Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Who's coming in and who is leaving the league for 2017-8 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 I would say at the moment Rodney looking at the tables in the Combo it's Ludgvan promoted to SWPL and Newquay relegated and with Pendeen and West Cornwall in the top 4 of the Trelawny Premier they will be promoted to the combo replacing Newquay & Ludgvan...........I can sense your devastation at not making that midweek Newquay V St Just trip next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted May 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Newquay , as founder members, are a sad loss to the league. Congratulations to Ludgvan, Pendeen and West Cornwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted May 20, 2017 Report Share Posted May 20, 2017 Newquay have applied to join ECPL. Possibly to avoid relegation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 15 hours ago, MattP said: Newquay have applied to join ECPL. Possibly to avoid relegation? Would they go into prem or 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Div.1: they were relegated from the Combo(ECPL's equivalent to the Premier div.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Hypothetically-if Newquay first team were relegated twice would they be able to go into the combo and keep a side in the east Cornwall as well?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzFan Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, rob brown said: Hypothetically-if Newquay first team were relegated twice would they be able to go into the combo and keep a side in the east Cornwall as well?? Good question. I would think the lower of the teams would have to be in the Trelawny or Duchy league if that scenario occurred. I'm sure an expert on the rules and regulations can clarify that. Hope for sake of the club it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, PzFan said: Good question. I would think the lower of the teams would have to be in the Trelawny or Duchy league if that scenario occurred. I'm sure an expert on the rules and regulations can clarify that. Hope for sake of the club it doesn't. Hopefully not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Technically, ECL Div 1 is a "step" below Combination League, so it should be possible for Newquay to join it. The general assumption in football is that Teams cannot make a sideways move to another League at the same level in order to avoid relegation; but that "assumption" is only written into the Standardised Rules and is not included in the Standard Code of Rules which covers all Leagues outside of the National League System. Perhaps the uncertainty in this matter provides another good reason to suggest amalgamations of ECLP/Duchy Leagues & Combination/Trelawny Leagues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 that would mean a lot of traveling john fair enough in the senior/junior cup but how would clubs at junior ( Trelawney/Duchy) level be able to afford or get players to play. half the time players rush to make a game on Saturday from work and if/when we have bad weather how could you play midweek games. mind you would be a few divorces with coach trips away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, Postman Pat said: that would mean a lot of traveling john fair enough in the senior/junior cup but how would clubs at junior ( Trelawney/Duchy) level be able to afford or get players to play. half the time players rush to make a game on Saturday from work and if/when we have bad weather how could you play midweek games. mind you would be a few divorces with coach trips away I think he means the ECPL and duchy combine to mate one big league system and the same with the combo and trelwany league?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 It does surprise me a bit - there has been discussion about Combo / Trelawney joining (subject to rule amendment and a couple of yeas off), and yet nothing about ECPL / Duchy. Surely the discussion should be about a league in Cornwall that is a suitable feeder league to the FL step system (SWPL West) across the county. In theory (and I do accept that current league rules / AGM's etc have a massive role): 1. Remove all Reserve teams from feeder league - they can't get promoted, but effectively block other local clubs progressing. Create a Reserve league, with the purpose of generating feeders for existing senior teams. 2. Create ONE feeder league across the county - (whether run under the auspices of Combo or ECPL doesn't matter) - yes teams would have to travel, but they would if they want to progress (SWPL West covers the combined geographical area of Combo and ECPL). Allow promotion from / to the feeder league in the same way as SWPL deals with promotion. Furthermore have the same league rules as they SWPL (theirs are directed by the national FA and would ensure continuity across the county). 3. Leave the Trelawney and Duchy leagues as they are to allow smaller recreational football to flourish, based around teams that cannot travel across the whole county. 4. Very contentious - ban all player payment (expenses) below the one feeder league and Reserve League (make it CCFA recreational Rules where payments would mean expulsion) - travelling would be small so no need for expenses. I was told yesterday of a team at Trelawney 4 level paying £50 a game to some players - that's killing local football / teams. I am clearly missing something as it seems so simple and obvious to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECPL Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Just stay confused. It ain't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted May 21, 2017 Report Share Posted May 21, 2017 Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 ECLP - thank you for providing clarity John - a very valid point, I would just counter by asking when has a team from the Combo and ECPL both been promoted in the same year. Also I believe Bere Alston sought promotion this year to SWPL West from the ECPL - they came 4th so we're not eligible - however two Reserve sides, who cannot get promoted, finished above them - had there been no Reserve sides in the ECPL then Bere may have been promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 59 minutes ago, Bobjfh said: ECLP - thank you for providing clarity John - a very valid point, I would just counter by asking when has a team from the Combo and ECPL both been promoted in the same year. Also I believe Bere Alston sought promotion this year to SWPL West from the ECPL - they came 4th so we're not eligible - however two Reserve sides, who cannot get promoted, finished above them - had there been no Reserve sides in the ECPL then Bere may have been promoted. Didn't Bere Alston fail their ground grading so no matter their finishing position could not gain promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 CTB - think you are right, was just using that as a demonstration that non Reserve sides, certainly in the East of the County have little chance of promotion - they have to come top 2 against clubs with very strong set ups. Yes it has happened in the past but not recently Just looking at a discussion point, lots of people come on the forum and say leagues are weaker, problems with player retention etc etc etc - but very few solutions are suggested. The answers are out there and people like yourself, John and even ECPL have the greatest knowledge so perhaps the best chance of offering solutions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 16 hours ago, John Mead said: Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion. What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I believe a Reserve team League for those who have a 1st team in SWPL would be a good move but it would involve County-wide travel. There's also the problem of where they go if the SWPL team gets relegated from Step 7. My only solution to that would be to place them 2 levels below the League the 1st team are relegated to - but that would not currently be as straight forward as it seems because it would involve agreement with 2 different Leagues! 5 minutes ago, rob brown said: What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. That's exactly what I suggested earlier in this thread!...... Though not giving them a Peninsula League title. I believe the amalgamations make sense but combining every League under one umbrella would make it far too difficult to manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob brown Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 16 hours ago, John Mead said: Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion. What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 we did fail the ground grading but could of done the work but as it was looking highly unlikely we would finish top two we put it off to the summer we will have another go next season but like already said its very difficult to gain promotion from the ecpl because of all the reserve sides in it the problem we find is when you play a reserve team you never know who your playing as a lot of sides drag first team players in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Would only be your changing rooms JH? Pitch at Bere is as good as anything around, outside the SWPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE LYNX AFFECT Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 agree mattp top pitch at bere just need to sort the changing rooms out .but is it down to the parish council JH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governor Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Can you honestly see Mike Newcombe agreeing to an amalgamation with the ECPL? In my opinion the Duchy league is far better administered than its senior potential partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Much as I respect Mike Newman for his stirling commitment, as well as the rest of both Leagues management committees, any such decision is one for the member clubs to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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