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I would say at the moment Rodney looking at the tables in the Combo it's Ludgvan promoted to SWPL and Newquay relegated and with Pendeen and West Cornwall in the top 4 of the Trelawny Premier they will be promoted to the combo replacing Newquay & Ludgvan...........I can sense your devastation at not making that midweek Newquay V St Just trip next season :D

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1 hour ago, rob brown said:

Hypothetically-if Newquay first team were relegated twice would they be able to go into the combo and keep a side in the east Cornwall as well?? 

Good question. I would think the lower of the teams would have to be in the Trelawny or Duchy league if that scenario occurred. I'm sure an expert on the rules and regulations can clarify that. Hope for sake of the club it doesn't. 

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8 minutes ago, PzFan said:

Good question. I would think the lower of the teams would have to be in the Trelawny or Duchy league if that scenario occurred. I'm sure an expert on the rules and regulations can clarify that. Hope for sake of the club it doesn't. 

Hopefully not 

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Technically, ECL Div 1 is a "step" below Combination League, so it should be possible for Newquay to join it. The general assumption in football is that Teams cannot make a sideways move to another League at the same level in order to avoid relegation; but that "assumption" is only written into the Standardised Rules and is not included in the Standard Code of Rules which covers all Leagues outside of the National League System.

Perhaps the uncertainty in this matter provides another good reason to suggest amalgamations of ECLP/Duchy Leagues & Combination/Trelawny Leagues!

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that would mean a lot of traveling john fair enough in the senior/junior cup but how would clubs at junior ( Trelawney/Duchy) level be able to afford or get players to play. half the time players rush to make a game on Saturday from work and if/when we have bad weather how could you play midweek games. mind you would be a few divorces with coach trips away

 

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40 minutes ago, Postman Pat said:

that would mean a lot of traveling john fair enough in the senior/junior cup but how would clubs at junior ( Trelawney/Duchy) level be able to afford or get players to play. half the time players rush to make a game on Saturday from work and if/when we have bad weather how could you play midweek games. mind you would be a few divorces with coach trips away

 

I think he means the ECPL and duchy combine to mate one big league system and the same with the combo and trelwany league?? 

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It does surprise me a bit - there has been discussion about Combo / Trelawney joining (subject to rule amendment and a couple of yeas off), and yet nothing about ECPL / Duchy.

Surely the discussion should be about a league in Cornwall that is a suitable feeder league to the FL step system (SWPL West) across the county. In theory (and I do accept that current league rules / AGM's etc have a massive role):

1. Remove all Reserve teams from feeder league - they can't get promoted, but effectively block other local clubs progressing. Create a Reserve league, with the purpose of generating feeders for existing senior teams.

2. Create ONE feeder league across the county - (whether run under the auspices of Combo or ECPL doesn't matter) - yes teams would have to travel, but they would if they want to progress (SWPL West covers the combined geographical area of Combo and ECPL). Allow promotion from / to the feeder league in the same way as SWPL deals with promotion. Furthermore have the same league rules as they SWPL (theirs are directed by the national FA and would ensure continuity across the county).

3. Leave the Trelawney and Duchy leagues as they are to allow smaller recreational football to flourish, based around teams that cannot travel across the whole county.

4. Very contentious - ban all player payment (expenses) below the one feeder league  and Reserve League (make it CCFA recreational Rules where payments would mean expulsion) - travelling would be small so no need for expenses. I was told yesterday of a team at Trelawney 4 level paying £50 a game to some players - that's killing local football / teams.

I am clearly missing something as it seems so simple and obvious to me?

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Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion.

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ECLP - thank you for providing clarity

John - a very valid point, I would just counter by asking when has a team from the Combo and ECPL both been promoted in the same year.

Also I believe Bere Alston sought promotion this year to SWPL West from the ECPL - they came 4th so we're not eligible - however two Reserve sides, who cannot get promoted, finished above them - had there been no Reserve sides in the ECPL then Bere may have been promoted.

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59 minutes ago, Bobjfh said:

ECLP - thank you for providing clarity

John - a very valid point, I would just counter by asking when has a team from the Combo and ECPL both been promoted in the same year.

Also I believe Bere Alston sought promotion this year to SWPL West from the ECPL - they came 4th so we're not eligible - however two Reserve sides, who cannot get promoted, finished above them - had there been no Reserve sides in the ECPL then Bere may have been promoted.

Didn't Bere Alston fail their ground grading so no matter their finishing position could not gain promotion. 

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CTB - think you are right, was just using that as a demonstration that non Reserve sides, certainly in the East of the County have little chance of promotion - they have to come top 2 against clubs with very strong set ups. Yes it has happened in the past but not recently  

Just looking at a discussion point, lots of people come on the forum and say leagues are weaker, problems with player retention etc etc etc - but very few solutions are suggested. The answers are out there and people like yourself, John and even ECPL have the greatest knowledge so perhaps the best chance of offering solutions?

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16 hours ago, John Mead said:

Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion.

What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. 

Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. 

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I believe a Reserve team League for those who have a 1st team in SWPL would be a good move but it would involve County-wide travel. There's also the problem of where they go if the SWPL team gets relegated from Step 7. My only solution to that would be to place them 2 levels below the League the 1st team are relegated to - but that would not currently be as straight forward as it seems because it would involve agreement with 2 different Leagues!

5 minutes ago, rob brown said:

What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. 

Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. 

That's exactly what I suggested earlier in this thread!...... Though not giving them a Peninsula League title. I believe the amalgamations make sense but combining every League under one umbrella would make it far too difficult to manage. 

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16 hours ago, John Mead said:

Currently there's an oportunity for 2 teams to be promoted to SWPL West - 1 from ECLP and 1 from Combo; if there was only 1 feeder League, only 1 team could be promoted - standardised NLS rules. Can't see the benefit of changing anything which reduces oportunities for promotion.

What about combining the combo and trelwany leagues and then east Cornwall and duchy leagues-still leave the east west divide- but have a clear 2up 2 down across all devisions. The combo could be peninsular 2 west and east Cornwall peninsular east 2 and so on. The snr cup would be for the top 4 leagues and junior below that. Reconfigure the cups to fit. 

Would also stop the argument of players signing for multiple teams as it would all be one league so sign for one club. 

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we did fail the ground grading but could of done the work but as it was looking highly unlikely we would finish top two we put it off to the summer we will have another go next season but like already said its very difficult to gain promotion from the ecpl because of all the reserve sides in it the problem we find is when you play a reserve team you never know who your playing as a lot of sides drag first team players in 

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