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Argyle reserves were allowed straight into the SWPL West so there is a precedence in a higher league??

Parkway have great facilities and having combined with Bar Sol Ona will no doubt have good backing and across leagues will become the strongest club in Plymouth - they have taken on a great young manager in Seve and signed several quality players - so providing SWPL are seeking promotion to Western there is some sense in their request - however with St Austell and Pensilva going up - can only see this 'working' if Liskeard / and Launceston get relegated- that's not going to happen??

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12 minutes ago, Bobjfh said:

Argyle reserves were allowed straight into the SWPL West so there is a precedence in a higher league??

Parkway have great facilities and having combined with Bar Sol Ona will no doubt have good backing and across leagues will become the strongest club in Plymouth - they have taken on a great young manager in Seve and signed several quality players - so providing SWPL are seeking promotion to Western there is some sense in their request - however with St Austell and Pensilva going up - can only see this 'working' if Liskeard / and Launceston get relegated- that's not going to happen??

Argyle applied to the join the SWPL and joined at the lowest level.

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I smell a rat.  Let us say that PP get in the premier division.  We know PP first team are ambitious and if they win the SWPL they will take promotion to the Western League.  So what if PP reserves win or come second in the ECPL.  They will immediately apply to join the SWPL Division One West as there will be two divisions between the two teams.  Seems like the club are just trying to pass through and out. 

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23 minutes ago, ECPL said:

Seems like the club are just trying to pass through and out.

Fair dos for them trying, but let's hope the league and its members block the attempt as I feel any new entrant should start from Division One, irrespective of how good a club they are!

1 hour ago, Bobjfh said:

however with St Austell and Pensilva going up - can only see this 'working' if Liskeard / and Launceston get relegated- that's not going to happen??

Don't forget Edgcumbe dropping out.

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Jefferson hog - I have no allegiance to Parkway at all, far from it, just highlighting that if Argyle (St John they went from nothing to SWPL West playing in Newton Abbot, which was apparently 'acceptable') did it, the same could be considered for Parkway. 

Parkway are clearly looking to 'pass through' ECPL but again is that so wrong compared to other SWPL reserve teams who have no option of progressing upwards due to their first team remaining static and comfortable in mediocracy?

AGM should be done by now and no doubt thread pointless as clubs will have decided. 

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50 minutes ago, Bobjfh said:

Jefferson hog - I have no allegiance to Parkway at all, far from it, just highlighting that if Argyle (St John they went from nothing to SWPL West playing in Newton Abbot, which was apparently 'acceptable') did it, the same could be considered for Parkway. 

Parkway are clearly looking to 'pass through' ECPL but again is that so wrong compared to other SWPL reserve teams who have no option of progressing upwards due to their first team remaining static and comfortable in mediocracy?

AGM should be done by now and no doubt thread pointless as clubs will have decided. 

I see your point now and I have to agree with that.

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The Rowett Insurance League Cup first round draw: Bere Alston United v Roche, Bodmin Town v Liskeard Athletic, Camelford v Probus, Lanreath v Plymstock United, Launceston v Saltash United, Mevagissey v St Dominick, Millbridge v Bude Town, Morwenstow v Callington Town, Polperro v Looe Town, St Austell v Plymouth Parkway, St Blazey v Padstow, St Stephens Borough v Tavistock, Torpoint Athletic v Pensilva, Wadebridge Town v Nanpean Rovers. Byes: Elburton Villa and St Teath.

Fred Binks Premier Division League Cup first round draw: Launceston v Tavistock, Liskeard Athletic v Polperro, Pensilva v Plymstock United, Saltash United v St Teath, St Blazey v Bere Alston United, St Dominick v Probus. St Stephens Borough v Callington Town, Torpoint Athletic v St Austell,

Roy Radford Division One Cup first round draw: Bodmin Town v Camelford, Looe Town v Lanreath, Mevagissey v Nanpean Rovers, Padstow United v Bude Town, Roche v Morwenstow, Wadebridge Town v Plymouth Parkway. Byes: Elburton Villa and Millbrook.

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Just a note. The sponsorship of the ECPL League cup by Rowett Insurance for a number of years has ended.  The league are looking for a new sponsor for the cup.  The Fred Binks Premier Division Cup is sponsored by Bodmin Sports Trophys with the Roy Radfiord Division One Cup sponsored by Steve Andrews Tyres Ltd.

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9 hours ago, ECPL said:

Just a note. The sponsorship of the ECPL League cup by Rowett Insurance for a number of years has ended.  The league are looking for a new sponsor for the cup.  The Fred Binks Premier Division Cup is sponsored by Bodmin Sports Trophys with the Roy Radfiord Division One Cup sponsored by Steve Andrews Tyres Ltd.

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I think it makes total sense for Plymouth Parkway to go straight into the top division of ECPL.  In all honesty, they will have the quality to dominate Div 1 and the Prem especially if they are looking to get promoted to SWPL level.  In recent years how many teams have made the jump from ECPL to SWPL?  Not many.  Millbrook, Sticker and St Dennis of late?  These teams also walked through the leagues.  How would teams like Pensilva, St Blazey, Lanreath to name a few feel knowing their chances of promotion are unlikely with PP in Div one?

 

I think putting PP in the Prem will get them out of the ECPL divisions after one year, leaving the "regular" teams to compete as normal.  It may seem like cheating or taking advantage of rules, but is actually probably better for the remaining teams anyway.

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9 hours ago, Naholliday said:

I think it makes total sense for Plymouth Parkway to go straight into the top division of ECPL.  In all honesty, they will have the quality to dominate Div 1 and the Prem especially if they are looking to get promoted to SWPL level.  In recent years how many teams have made the jump from ECPL to SWPL?  Not many.  Millbrook, Sticker and St Dennis of late?  These teams also walked through the leagues.  How would teams like Pensilva, St Blazey, Lanreath to name a few feel knowing their chances of promotion are unlikely with PP in Div one?

 

I think putting PP in the Prem will get them out of the ECPL divisions after one year, leaving the "regular" teams to compete as normal.  It may seem like cheating or taking advantage of rules, but is actually probably better for the remaining teams anyway.

Couldn't disagree more. How good they are supposed to be is irrelevant. Every dropped point will be greeted with rapturous applause on here. Parkway have clearly got no class, no memory and no respect for the league that they are entering.

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Agreed St John, so why put up with them longer than we have to?  It's obvious they are using ECPL as a stepping stone for "bigger and greater" things.  So why prolong that for 2 seasons and dent the chances of promotion from Div 1 teams?  Most of ECPL teams wont want or be able to achieve promotion either.  It will be a long 2 years with them in the league system.

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5 hours ago, Naholliday said:

Agreed St John, so why put up with them longer than we have to?  It's obvious they are using ECPL as a stepping stone for "bigger and greater" things.  So why prolong that for 2 seasons and dent the chances of promotion from Div 1 teams?  Most of ECPL teams wont want or be able to achieve promotion either.  It will be a long 2 years with them in the league system.

Couldn't disagree more. Nobody can be allowed to jump leagues, at any level. Opens up a can of worms, and all based on an assumption that their first team qualify for, and take, promotion. There is also the assumption that they will win ECPL1 - there are some decent sides in there who will have a strong say in matters 

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If this is the same set of players that played for Bar Sol Ona last season, then things won't be that easy for them. Last year in the P & D Premier they played 22, won 8, drew 6 and lost 8 and ended up mid-table. Others probably know more than me about next seasons squad than me though. Is it a case of players dropping down levels, glory hunting?

Also, Parkway's 1st team might get promotion next season and then they have the problem of getting players to travel. The novelty might be there for a couple of seasons but who knows what will happen after that.

All very well clubs having grandioso plans, different matter carrying them out though!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, baldy said:

I repeat, Parkway 1sts would need 2 promotions (to Western, then Southern) before their reserve side would be allowed into SWPL, as the SWPL rules exist at this moment.

Missed your original post Baldy, thanks for that. Seems all a bit pointless trying to apply for the Premier Division in the first place then. Parkway should have been grateful to have been voted back in and they should have left it at that.

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On 27/06/2016 at 17:50, St John said:

Couldn't disagree more. How good they are supposed to be is irrelevant. Every dropped point will be greeted with rapturous applause on here. Parkway have clearly got no class, no memory and no respect for the league that they are entering.

"Every dropped point will be greeted with rapturous applause" Well that sounds like you have a huge amount of class.

 

The team asked for a sideways transfer from the P&D Premier Division to the ECPL Division, where, upon application, were told that there was an opportunity for this to happen.  The team applied under Bar Sol Ona (new name proposed was Plymouth Sol) and sent a 10 page presentation to the league.

The merge with Plymouth Parkway happened after - so it isn't Plymouth Parkway being arrogant or trying to cheat through the leagues, it was the team (Bar Sol Ona) asking for a sideways transfer.  Therefore of course we would have no memory - we werent around when the old Parkway reserves folded.  Should you really hold that grudge?

Anyway - what is done is done - the team will be in Division 1 next season.

 

 

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Bar Sol Ona finished halfway up the league so had no chance of going straight into the Premier Division.  If they had finished high enough perhaps, but they didn't indeed they had a terrible season.  So now they have to prove themselves as Plymouth Parkway Reserves.  We know Plymouth Parkway under a new regime are ambitious and will look to gain promotion from the SWPL.  If all goes well for their second team then they will earn promotion to the Premier Division of the ECPL.  

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Good evening all. Having read through comments about my side / club I thought I would just put a couple of points across. 

The club did indeed ask for entry into the Premier Division, as explained above something that was originally done as Bar Sol Ona and we were hoping to make that sideways move from the P&D Prem. That was not meant as a move to disrespect any member teams, but if you don't ask you don't get and as an ambitious team of course we want to start as high as possible. The member teams have their right to vote and didn't want to entertain that notion, that is no problem at all and we wish St Blazey the best of luck after they were given the spot we hoped to get.

It is a shame that our ambition is being viewed as an arrogance or sense of entitlement, but as we play our games during the season I am sure most opponents will see that isn't what this team is about and I look forward to competing against some really good teams. Knowing several players across the league it is safe to say it will be a well contested competition, we hope to do well and will be aiming to be promoted but that will be down to how we perform.

Thanks for the kind words Bobjfh but it remains to be seen if I am a good young manager. I could be an indifferent one, an awful one or indeed a good one, the proof will be in results over the coming seasons but the challenge and opportunity I have is certainly an exciting one. 

I take it that there will be some interest in how we get on this season, and peoples opinion of the team and even myself is none of my business, but I'm sure I will enjoy reading them from time to time. All I ask is that you take us as you find us and put any preconceived ideas aside. 

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12 hours ago, Devon29 said:

"Every dropped point will be greeted with rapturous applause" Well that sounds like you have a huge amount of class.

 

The team asked for a sideways transfer from the P&D Premier Division to the ECPL Division, where, upon application, were told that there was an opportunity for this to happen.  The team applied under Bar Sol Ona (new name proposed was Plymouth Sol) and sent a 10 page presentation to the league.

The merge with Plymouth Parkway happened after - so it isn't Plymouth Parkway being arrogant or trying to cheat through the leagues, it was the team (Bar Sol Ona) asking for a sideways transfer.  Therefore of course we would have no memory - we werent around when the old Parkway reserves folded.  Should you really hold that grudge?

Anyway - what is done is done - the team will be in Division 1 next season.

 

 

Well that was a waste of paper!

In all seriousness, given the recent history and the nature of this topic, it just goes to show that you shouldn't formalise opinions until all the facts are known. Now that all the facts are known, I'm sure that people will be less anti-Parkway.

Good luck for the season.

 

 

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On 4 July 2016 at 00:39, Sev said:

Good evening all. Having read through comments about my side / club I thought I would just put a couple of points across. 

The club did indeed ask for entry into the Premier Division, as explained above something that was originally done as Bar Sol Ona and we were hoping to make that sideways move from the P&D Prem. That was not meant as a move to disrespect any member teams, but if you don't ask you don't get and as an ambitious team of course we want to start as high as possible. The member teams have their right to vote and didn't want to entertain that notion, that is no problem at all and we wish St Blazey the best of luck after they were given the spot we hoped to get.

It is a shame that our ambition is being viewed as an arrogance or sense of entitlement, but as we play our games during the season I am sure most opponents will see that isn't what this team is about and I look forward to competing against some really good teams. Knowing several players across the league it is safe to say it will be a well contested competition, we hope to do well and will be aiming to be promoted but that will be down to how we perform.

Thanks for the kind words Bobjfh but it remains to be seen if I am a good young manager. I could be an indifferent one, an awful one or indeed a good one, the proof will be in results over the coming seasons but the challenge and opportunity I have is certainly an exciting one. 

I take it that there will be some interest in how we get on this season, and peoples opinion of the team and even myself is none of my business, but I'm sure I will enjoy reading them from time to time. All I ask is that you take us as you find us and put any preconceived ideas aside. 

I don't see the issue? You asked for a sideways step to ECL and you got it. You are in the ECL. Or am I missing something here? Surely you'd want to earn the right to play in the premier division of this league the same as everyone else? 

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1 hour ago, offside! said:

I don't see the issue? You asked for a sideways step to ECL and you got it. You are in the ECL. Or am I missing something here? Surely you'd want to earn the right to play in the premier division of this league the same as everyone else? 

Well surely if the team was in the Premier Division of the P&WD League a sideways move would be the Premier Division of the ECPL ?  Both Premier Divisions are 1 step below the CSWPL Division 1 West / East - so a move to division 1 is actually a division below where we were last year.

We earned the right to play in the P&WD Premier Division by starting at the bottom and even won their division 1 undefeated.  We asked for a sideways move to the Premier Division - we didnt get it - we asked again when Edgecumbe withdrew, we didnt get that.  Cool - we accept that and move on - this seems quite a long thread about nothing.

 

On 04/07/2016 at 12:29, St John said:

Well that was a waste of paper!

In all seriousness, given the recent history and the nature of this topic, it just goes to show that you shouldn't formalise opinions until all the facts are known. Now that all the facts are known, I'm sure that people will be less anti-Parkway.

Good luck for the season.

 

 

St John, Yeah I agree - massive waste of paper and massive waste of time.  Was led to believe by the powers that be that what we were asking for was not only possible but would have got some support.  As soon as we announced the merger with Parkway it appears the goal posts changed.

Myself, Sev, most of the lads that play for us, have never played in the ECPL, so having a bad opinion of us is a little unfounded.  As I said at the AGM, we have won more awards for Fair play and Respect campaigns than we have for playing.  Though we havent done too bad at that either.  Rather than cheering for every point we drop, could you judge us with an open mind?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Devon29 said:

Well surely if the team was in the Premier Division of the P&WD League a sideways move would be the Premier Division of the ECPL ?  Both Premier Divisions are 1 step below the CSWPL Division 1 West / East - so a move to division 1 is actually a division below where we were last year.

We earned the right to play in the P&WD Premier Division by starting at the bottom and even won their division 1 undefeated.  We asked for a sideways move to the Premier Division - we didnt get it - we asked again when Edgecumbe withdrew, we didnt get that.  Cool - we accept that and move on - this seems quite a long thread about nothing.

 

St John, Yeah I agree - massive waste of paper and massive waste of time.  Was led to believe by the powers that be that what we were asking for was not only possible but would have got some support.  As soon as we announced the merger with Parkway it appears the goal posts changed.

Myself, Sev, most of the lads that play for us, have never played in the ECPL, so having a bad opinion of us is a little unfounded.  As I said at the AGM, we have won more awards for Fair play and Respect campaigns than we have for playing.  Though we havent done too bad at that either.  Rather than cheering for every point we drop, could you judge us with an open mind?

 

 

 

Not the first time that the administrative qualities of the powers that be have come into question!

I suppose that there is a some baggage with the Parkway name, but what's in a name?

I'm sure that people will take you as they find and I wouldn't have any worries about that.

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11 hours ago, offside! said:

I don't see the issue? You asked for a sideways step to ECL and you got it. You are in the ECL. Or am I missing something here? Surely you'd want to earn the right to play in the premier division of this league the same as everyone else? 

Hi Offside, you're not missing anything. I think you actually quoted me so you'll see "that is no issue at all and we wish St Blazey the best of luck." 

We are looking forward to the season in a very competitive league and hope to do well. Whether we will or not remains to be seen. I just was looking to give our side of things and ask that we be judged on the group of players and management we are, maybe not by the ideas you have of a different group who played under this name previously and by assumptions being made because we have shown a bit of ambition. 

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