jayjay21 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Have just seen on Facebook that edgcumbe are pulling out the ecpl. That is a massive loss to the league in 14 years they have gone up 7 leagues and won many a trophy on the way . Always had great battles with them and the players always we're welcoming and friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 A week after the club said this via their Facebook : ***Official Club Announcement*** The current First Team management team, Mackenzie Brown and Mark Pratten have stepped down from the Edgcumbe ECPL side and will go across to Millbrook FC and joint manage with Ryan Swiggs. Although it is with a heavy heart that they leave Edgcumbe, they are extremely excited to help revive the once great club that Millbrook FC was and rebuild its core around local players. We wish them all the best in this endeavour and without doubt you'll see Millbrook FC restored to its former glory in the coming years. More news on Edgcumbe FC will be released in the coming days. Thank-you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Would be a shame to see Edgcumbe go. Logical move for the individuals involved though if they take the players with them. It's hard to get promoted from the ECPL with the likes of Torpoint around. Good quality facilities at Millbrook and will be a step forward for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECPL Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Great shame. An amazing achievement for the club over the years. I always called them the Nomads. Unfortunately it has put the cat among the pigeons. Be interesting to see what will happen at the AGM. Will the league allow another Duchy club to be promoted. It will not alter the agreement as it it will be a straight swap of one for one. Will the league allow another club to be promoted to the Premier Division and a new team entering Division One. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Can't allow another Duchy side in as the agreement is that the ECPL can only take one per year, as you well know!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 9 hours ago, ECPL said: Will the league allow another Duchy club to be promoted. It will not alter the agreement as it it will be a straight swap of one for one. I must be thick, can you explain the 'one for one' please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy7 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Massive shame for the league; had a great team but they're not allowed to be promoted because of their facilities etc... so can completely understand them moving! 16 in Prem with Blazey being promoted and 14 in Div 1. Millbrook will definitely be a force next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 How can Plymstock be in the SWPL if Millbay Park isn't considered good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I think you will find plymstock were a founder member of the league having be en in the Devon league so we're not covered by the current regulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Thanks Panda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECPL Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Oh dear St John. You do get carried away sometimes. If you read my posting it is basically a 'what if' exercise. I asked the question. So let me enlighten you. The agreement sanctioned by the FA says that only one club can be promoted from the Duchy League to the ECPL. This is champions Looe Town. But as I understand it there is nothing to stop the Duchy from allowing a second team from their league going up. But !!!! Again as I understand it this agreement will have to be sanctioned by the Duchy League. So it is not as fanciful as you may think. As it stands the Duchy League will not allow another team to be promoted even though they are going to have another team dropping down from the ECPL. Hence the one for one leaving just one team effectively being promoted. But that is all conjecture. St Blazey who had agreed to accept promotion to the top flight are being asked again to take promotion to bring the constitution up to 16 premier and as it stands now 14 for division one. But we must await and see. The Duchy League will decide to allow another team to go up. Not you or I. So as I said it will be an interesting AGM. I asked the question. I didn't answer my own question in the same question. As I said it is a what if situation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Are Edgcumbe still going to have two teams? If I suspect not, the Duchy won't be getting anyone dropping down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 ECPL, why would the Duchy League alter their one team up agreement with the East Cornwall League just because Edgcumbe might pull out? That agreement was put in place for a reason. Has no affect on the Duchy League and I doubt they give a monkey's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesy7 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 hour ago, St John said: How can Plymstock be in the SWPL if Millbay Park isn't considered good enough? I'm not sure St John, I don't really know enough about the SWPL rules and regs to be honest! When we played them this year they said their application failed based on pitch facilities...but I agree, in my opinion they're no worse than a couple SWPL team facilities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaccaB Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I was made aware of this thread last night so will probably be able to shed some light on the decisions made. I knew myself that stepping away would probably mean the first teams future was in doubt so it was not a decision taking lightly but all good things come to an end. We have tried our best regarding a ground but it's not easy and in the end was just too much. Millbay Park lacks seperate showers and certain toilet facilities needed to go up - we applied for promotion in our first year in ECPL when we finished 3rd which was rejected. We then finished in a position to go up again this year which is a frustration for all involved as it's out of our hands. Having said that Millbay Park I don't think has been acceptable this season, we paid A LOT of money to use a facility that wasn't cut as required as I'm sure the away sides will agree (try playing on it every week!) Also, Millbay took us away from our roots, which never sat well with any of us to be honest. The club has not folded - there is still a team which finished 3rd in the Duchy Prem so they will continue, and an u18 side. We acknowledge Edgcumbe aren't a club with the infrastructure of Torpoint, Saltash, Tavi etc and were effectively a junior club with a good senior side so the club will continue to run well at that level. As for Millbrook, I'm a Millbrook lad and I'm delighted to join Ryan there and really looking forward to helping an ambitious club I played for progress further! Thanks to all the clubs and the league with their continual understanding of our circumstances whether they played us at Maker, Millbrook, Raleigh, Horson or Millbay over the years - it's been a great journey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Great to get a clear & honest explanation of the situation. Good luck to you at Millbrook and also to all that remain with Edgcumbe in the Duchy Lge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Horson is just down from Defiance Field isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 There's a lot of talk about St Minver around the ECPL and Duchy, but what is stopping ANY team (with adequate facilities) withdrawing from the Duchy League and applying for the ECPL to make up the places in Div1?! It's technically no different than the Plymouth sides' successful applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Good point, they'll have to pay a fine but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 It would be a big risk if unsuccessful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Also, the committee would have to have prior knowledge of the location to know that it was suitable. Can't apply at the AGM and be voted in before an inspection, if required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECPL Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Just had a thought. Edgcumbe already have a team in the Premier Division of the Duchy League so in effect they have not dropped down to the Duchy League as they are already there. Therefore there is no case to try and promote St Minver or anyone else for that matter. .So its going to be 16 premier division and 14 division one (assuming St Blazey take promotion). Big problem for the fixtures secretary who has just completed the fixtures for next season. Unfortunately replacing St Blazey for Edgcumbe creates a problem as you cant just replace one for another as St Blazey are a reserve side so first team fixtures take precedence. Don't fancy his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Well done ECPL, it's only took you the whole of today to catch up. Given the weather for the last few years, I'm sure that this will be a stroll in the park for the fixture secretary. My advice to St Minver would be do as Matt P suggested, quit the Duchy League, pay a fine and get voted in at the ECPL AGM. That would be a feather in the cap for this Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 The only danger with that is what if they quit the Duchy league then do not get voted in to ECPL where do they go from there ? Would they have to apply to rejoin the Duchy league at the bottom tier and would the Duchy league want them back after trying to jump ship ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 ECPL AGM is 4 days before theDuchy one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 If Parkway and Elburton got voted in unanimously, St Minver would get voted in unanimously + 1, if there was such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 St Minver would need to withdrawal both its teams from the Duchy Lge to be truly free agents, even then it would still clearly be a move designed to get around the agreement and the ECPL members may resist this on principle. And what if (for argument's sake) Foxhole, Sticker, St Dennis, Godolphin, Dobwalls (only picked on these clubs as there would be no doubts over their facilities) did the same thing ? They couldn't all get in. Isn't it time to move on, go with the spirit of the agreement and wait to see who wins the right to promotion next season. One thing looks certain, nobody will be relegated once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 This is why, in my opinion, that there should be a cut-off point before the EGM for all applications to be submitted to the league in writing, but I'm not going into that again. Yes, let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Agree, should be champions only, as per the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay21 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 See this has gone off topic as most posts do now days . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 23 hours ago, Willow Tree said: Horson is just down from Defiance Field isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St John Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 55 minutes ago, jayjay21 said: See this has gone off topic as most posts do now days . Staying off topic and I do sincerely apologise for this, have you got a team for next season jayjay21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay21 Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Hi St. John no I don't at moment as I did retire last season but possibly looking at playing again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Collings Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Willow Tree said: On 18/06/2016 at 14:16, Willow Tree said: Horson is just down from Defiance Field isn't it? On the same road just a bit further heading out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thank you! I was in the right place when I went through the town a few months ago. Just behind the Leisure Centre building thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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