noahc Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 if a place kick is taken and a defender handles the ball before it leaves the area, aside from yellow cards etc, what action should the referee take? how many players can contest a drop ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 noahc, there are no rules they are Laws, point to remember ball is not in play until it has left the penalty area, number of players contesting a drop ball is not specified. Sorry could not resist answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahc Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 forgive me mr m! it was the phrase the ball is not in play until it has left the area that made me realise something i arrogantly thought i knew. 22 players could compete for a bounce ball, or the referee could start it with no players if he so wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 noahc, correct, I have dropped the ball for a restart with no players involved (saved getting my hand kicked off as in the past I had a watch kicked off of my wrist at a drop ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Does that count if it's a free kick in the area as well? I was aware of the goal kick rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Yes Darren, that also applies to a free kick to the defenders inside the area, the ball is not in play until it has left the penalty area, obviously a free kick to the attacking side is a penalty kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Not necessarily, an attacking team could have an indirect free kick inside the penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Correct Richard, Sorry I was only talking about a direct free kick, as per first post where handball was quoted ( where deliberate handball is a direct free kick ) sorry for the confusion. Yes for the attacking side an indirect free kick does not have to leave the penalty area to be in play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Correct Richard, Sorry I was only talking about a direct free kick, as per first post where handball was quoted ( where deliberate handball is a direct free kick ) sorry for the confusion. Yes for the attacking side an indirect free kick does not have to leave the penalty area to be in play What is given in the area against a defending team for a handball that isn't deliberate? Like many of the ones you see when defenders have there torso turned and it hits their hands? Also what would you give an indirect free kick in the box for other than a back pass? I like this topic...Paul you will now show your experiance!! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 pointers, Remember handball must be deliberate and on that basis accidental handball is not an offence, as to offences which are an indirect free kick are exactly the same as on the other parts of the pitch, ie offside, impeding a player (obstruction), dangerous play, shoulder charge when ball is not in playing distance, unsporting conduct ( calling out to put a player off) and of course restarting the game if you stop it to show a yellow card. PS if I have got this wrong it is early in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The handball rule is ridiculous. 9 out of 10 times it's ball to hand. It's all about where their arms are isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Sounds good to me....what about the good old one about a penalty being taken, hits the post...back to the taker and he scores....goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 No goal, it has to be played by another player before the person who has taken the kick can touch it again, this applies to all free kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addick1 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 What action is taken when that penalty situation arises, is it a goal kick or a free kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 addick1, In that scenario it would be an indirect free kick to the defending side.at the place where it was touched for the second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addick1 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Thank you Mr Manning!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 The man is on form!!! What's next? Surly we can catch him out somehow.... A team scores an OG directly from a drop ball.....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 pointers, Remember handball must be deliberate and on that basis accidental handball is not an offence, as to offences which are an indirect free kick are exactly the same as on the other parts of the pitch, ie offside, impeding a player (obstruction), dangerous play, shoulder charge when ball is not in playing distance, unsporting conduct ( calling out to put a player off) and of course restarting the game if you stop it to show a yellow card. PS if I have got this wrong it is early in the morning.Paul, A shoulder charge is a direct free-kick/penalty kick. The man is on form!!! What's next? Surly we can catch him out somehow.... A team scores an OG directly from a drop ball.....?? If a team scores into their only goal from a throw-in, corner kick, drop ball or free-kick outside their own area a corner kick is awarded. A question for all..... When can a goalkeeper handle the ball outside their own area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 When taking a throw in....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 And why a free kick outside their own area? What if it was inside, up into the air, wind takes it into the net...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 If inside then it is still a corner as the ball is in play once the ball bounces (except if it goes out of play- retake). Correct well done Pointers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 A game which has rolling subs.... A team scores a goal, as you get the ball back on the centre spot you realise the goal scoring team has x12 players on the pitch! Outcome? Outcome if the scoring team had x11 but the conceding team had x12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Forget the rollings subs issue, if a team is found to have 12 players on the pitch then the game is abandoned and must be restarted for the full 90mins any goals will not count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Forget the rollings subs issue, if a team is found to have 12 players on the pitch then the game is abandoned and must be restarted for the full 90mins any goals will not count. Wow! I have witnessed games where the referee has just asked that team to 'lose' a player...and the game has resumed! Imagine if the score was 5-0 and that player was only on for a minute or so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 pointers, yes that`s is the easy option, but incorrect in the LOAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Substitute or substituted player If a substitute or a substituted player enters the field of play without permission: the referee must stop play (although not immediately if the player in question does not interfere with play or if the advantage can be applied) the referee must caution him for unsporting behaviour the player must leave the field of play If the referee stops play, it must be restarted with an indirect free kick for the opposing team from the position of the ball when play was stopped (see Law 13 Position of free kick). 68 LAW 3 THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS Goal scored with an extra person on the field of play If, after a goal is scored, the referee realises, before play restarts, that there was an extra person on the field of play when the goal was scored: the referee must disallow the goal if: the extra person was an outside agent and he interfered with play the extra person was a player, substitute, substituted player or team official associated with the team that scored the goal the referee must allow the goal if: the extra person was an outside agent who did not interfere with play the extra person was a player, substitute, substituted player or team official associated with the team that conceded the goal Page 67-68 of Laws of the Game- contrary to B Manning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 We've got him!!! Mr B what do you say about this one....? Debatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I will hold my hands up to that one, my excuse being when I was trained my answer was the correct one, obviously superseded and it is not something I have ever come across in my 40 plus years as a referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I remember a penalty being scored as a player who was sent off was still leaving the field of play. What should have happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Technically the referee should wait for the sent-off player to leave the field, but as long as the player didn't interfere with the penalty and play was restarted with him off the field then common sense should prevail and the goal should stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Common sense and referee in the same paragraph. Wonders will never cease lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Common sense and referee in the same paragraph. Wonders will never cease lol St Darren, I do agree with you but..... Players want common sense shown AND want consistency, and both together will never actually be able to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 That's fair enough. I'd prefer common sense for me and laws when it's against me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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