Redruth Athletic Res Withdraw

[Richard Chown]

It it appears another team Redruth Athletic Reserves have pulled out of Trelawny 5 with 3 games to go.

What a waste of everyone's time! Surely they could have seen the season out.

Yet again clubs are setting up sides then can't even keep them going for one season. should we go the route of Cornish rugby where a club is set up and have to prove the have a committee in place to run successfully and prove themselves by playing friendlies before being accepted.

I believe myself there is too many sides in the area not enough players.

What is the fine for pulling a side out so late?

[mightymabefc]

Im with you at least see it out to the end. What's the bets on half of them starting a new side next year?

[cornishteddyboy]

Luke Murray loses some goals off his season's total. Now down to 69 scored this season.

[Pitty]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

[ian beale]

Absolutely shocking the only good thing is they didn't pull off any shocks against the top two as it could've changed the winner which is ridiculous

[Soccer Follower]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

I see what you mean about seeing the season out Neil with only a handful of games to go but games at this time of the season are "ordered matches" meaning they cannot be rearranged.Once you allow one team to move games to suit themselves,others could use the same argument.

The Club will receive a fine for this course of action.

[Soccer Follower]

I think you are confusing Redruth United and Redruth Athletic Halfback.

[Halfback]

Thanks Soccer Follower,,, having a senior moment !!! post deleted !!

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Too many teams, and too many mates teams, they never last.

[Martin Eddy]

not strictly true older. Penryn Ath. have been going a few years

[Pitty]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

I see what you mean about seeing the season out Neil with only a handful of games to go but games at this time of the season are "ordered matches" meaning they cannot be rearranged.Once you allow one team to move games to suit themselves,others could use the same argument.

The Club will receive a fine for this course of action. With ordered fixtures Nigel maybe the best cause of action would have been to award the 3 points to each of the sides left to play and fine Redruth ath for the 3 games as unable to raise a side rather then expunging their record and affecting every side in the league who will undoubtedly all lose points

[cb_fc]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

I see what you mean about seeing the season out Neil with only a handful of games to go but games at this time of the season are "ordered matches" meaning they cannot be rearranged.Once you allow one team to move games to suit themselves,others could use the same argument.

The Club will receive a fine for this course of action.With ordered fixtures Nigel maybe the best cause of action would have been to award the 3 points to each of the sides left to play and fine Redruth ath for the 3 games as unable to raise a side rather then expunging their record and affecting every side in the league who will undoubtedly all lose points

Agreed the league have taken the biscuit a bit here

[Soccer Follower]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

I see what you mean about seeing the season out Neil with only a handful of games to go but games at this time of the season are "ordered matches" meaning they cannot be rearranged.Once you allow one team to move games to suit themselves,others could use the same argument.

The Club will receive a fine for this course of action. With ordered fixtures Nigel maybe the best cause of action would have been to award the 3 points to each of the sides left to play and fine Redruth ath for the 3 games as unable to raise a side rather then expunging their record and affecting every side in the league who will undoubtedly all lose points

Agreed the league have taken the biscuit a bit here

Surely it was Redruth Athletic's decision to fold the team Dave,not the Trelawny League.May also have been a cheaper option to do it this way.

[cb_fc]

Why haven't Athletic approached the league to ensure they have dates of fixtures when players are available??? Agree with Rich with 3 games to go its ridiculous and the club should receive a big fine

I see what you mean about seeing the season out Neil with only a handful of games to go but games at this time of the season are "ordered matches" meaning they cannot be rearranged.Once you allow one team to move games to suit themselves,others could use the same argument.

The Club will receive a fine for this course of action.With ordered fixtures Nigel maybe the best cause of action would have been to award the 3 points to each of the sides left to play and fine Redruth ath for the 3 games as unable to raise a side rather then expunging their record and affecting every side in the league who will undoubtedly all lose points Agreed the league have taken the biscuit a bit here

Surely it was Redruth Athletic's decision to fold the team Dave,not the Trelawny League.May also have been a cheaper option to do it this way.

The league needs to evaluate the end of season games with the ordered fixtures etc. U take there r teams who find it difficult to raise a side on a particular day. For example on Wednesday id have half a team missing. This is whats killing teams n then getting these big fines dont help matters. If both teams agree to play a date that suits n if no ref appointments avl can find a ref both teams r happy to use then why not. As for my comment above I agree with the suggestions of givin the other teams the points.

[jolzy10]

Yes agreed that all teams left to play them should've been awarded the points, and everything else kept the same! Pretty much every team will lose points because of this, we are talking 3 games left, its crazy!! Also feel for the players that have scored against them over the season, as a player you like to set yourself targets and I for one did with my overall total of goals for the season, due to this I've lost 4 goals off my season tally and its the same for many, Luke at Mabe springs to mind however he still has 69 so he shouldn't be too upset!!! Also teams goal differences have been heavily affected especially those teams that were putting double figures past them early on in the season, I know it can't be helped and I do feel for Redruth but we're talking 3 games, I feel that the league haven't done the right thing in this circumstance which is rare as I think the trelawny league is a great league and has been a great league to be part of. :thumbsup:

[Pitty]

I have since heard it was actually 5 games and due to the fact they hadn't played 3 other fixtures they wouldn't complete 75% so therefore giving the league no choice but to expunge their record.....be interesting at this years AGM to see if new teams are interrogated a bit more 'robustly' on suitability to fulfil their fixtures and where their new players are coming from and would it be a detriment to an already established existing side....far to much 'we want to play with our mates' in my opinion! Theirs enough clubs around for mates to play together already

[newlynjim]

I'm sorry that Redruth have folded but apart some people losing a few goals , expunging there record makes very little difference to the league . They had only won a couple of matches so apart from the 2 teams that lost to them everyone else lost 6 points or the chance of 6 points if you still had to play them.

More important than that does anyone know when they say all records are expunged does that apply to my booking (which was harsh in the first place) and can I get my £10 pound fine back.

[peggy78]

I have since heard it was actually 5 games and due to the fact they hadn't played 3 other fixtures they wouldn't complete 75% so therefore giving the league no choice but to expunge their record.....be interesting at this years AGM to see if new teams are interrogated a bit more 'robustly' on suitability to fulfil their fixtures and where their new players are coming from and would it be a detriment to an already established existing side....far to much 'we want to play with our mates' in my opinion! Theirs enough clubs around for mates to play together already

Unfortunately I fear that while there are spaces within the league structure anyone will be accepted in.

[#coys]

In my opinion, the best thing to do is get rid of division 5 entirely and spread the teams across the prem 1,2,3,4, only allow new team to enter if another team folds.

[ian beale]

One of the most stupid ideas...too many games for teams already to play

[peter taylor]

Makes sense to do that this year with 5 leagues of 18 teams instead of 6 of 16 teams that was originally started with this season. Make all teams start their season in August with evening games in the first 4 to 6 weeks and you could have 8 to 10 games gone by end of September. I know some teams play on cricket grounds but they can be fixture away until cricket finishes. If Camborne School of Mines can play 16 games in a month i'm sure that you can have 24 or so games between 1 October and 31 May. Maybe just have your own league Cups instead of Percy Stephens and Arthur Pearce as well. Just a thought.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Stick that tongue back in Postie.

[Mangle]

Jim, I think you should get your money back. Brilliant post. Ha ha ha!!!

[B.James]

Seeming there is a thread dedicated to discontent about the withdrawal of our reserves side, I thought it would be good if I piped up on the matter. I completely understand everyones frustration, particularly so late in the season, but let me assure you, no one is as frustrated and as angry about it as I am. Im only glad that it didnt impact the league table too much, apart from the dramatic change in goals, they did conceede a few! The underlying reason for the withdrawal in the side was financial, but mainly because I was completely left in the lurch. The reserve side was the idea of our first team manager and previous chariman, and to cut a long story short, they let me and both teams down. At the start of the season I agreed to help with running of the club, only for mid season to have the whole lot lumped on my lap when they decided they had enough, mainly because our first team wasnt doing as well as they spread our players accross two teams, "glory hunters" springs to mind! So naturally we lost half of our committe and I took on every role, with no one wishing to step up. Fortunately two players did step up in thefirst team to try and help, and stabalised the first team to keep them going. The seconds after a number of hammerings just gave up after the manager walked out, and right up the end stopped turning up, causing us to conceed two walk over wins in a row. We were charged a fine of £100, and with that looming over us, I couldnt risk them doing it a third time so moved to fold them, or take a fine of £50 for the next few games.If we could have dropped down enough players we would have, but with only 7 looking likely to play each game, the league rules prevented us from dropping enough down. If at the time I knew the situation I find myself in now, I would have definately not entered a reserve team in the first place, and probably wouldn't have offered to help run the club, I'd much rather just play! Yet again guys, I can only apologise, but unfortunately I am the one who gets to clean the mess up of others. A lesson to be learned though, you only see peoples true colours when they're up against it. The reserves that turned up regularly were a great bunch of lads, and will be playing in our first team still.

Thanks

Ben James.

[Pitty]

A good and commendable reply Ben and once again highlighting the fact that lots of clubs are being let down by a lack of help behind the scenes with teams leaving it to a dedicated few.....good luck with your remaining side and whilst a shame to see a team fold its financially perfectly understandable

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Well said Ben James, a lot of truth in that for all new teams to consider.

[Brom66]

For what its worth, what was so wrong with the pre Trelawney league, ie Falmouth & Helston, Mining and West Penwith leagues ?

Now instead of winning 2 or 3 leagues to get to the top of your respective areas, and less travel also, you have to be promoted or win 6 leagues, ie Trelawney 5 to Trelawney Prem and travel to Sennan to Threeemilestone, but several clubs such as Camborne Park, Marazion, Mabe, and Falmouth Town , forgive me if I do not mention your club, are better than Trelawney league table suggests.

This year for me Camborne Park stand out, unbeaten in there respective league, they now get promoted to div 3, who is to say they keep there squad together, and get promoted next year or there squad regroups and go to another team "local to there area" and Camborne Park struggle and get relegated.

How many teams/players are willing to commit to 6 years of hopeful progression with the same club ?

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[Martin Eddy]

I think it was all to do with the restructuring of the leagues throughout the country and by amalgamating the two leagues junior football in Cornwall was brought into line with the rest of the country as dictated by the FA

[erby ruin]

For what its worth, what was so wrong with the pre Trelawney league, ie Falmouth & Helston, Mining and West Penwith leagues ?

Now instead of winning 2 or 3 leagues to get to the top of your respective areas, and less travel also, you have to be promoted or win 6 leagues, ie Trelawney 5 to Trelawney Prem and travel to Sennan to Threeemilestone, but several clubs such as Camborne Park, Marazion, Mabe, and Falmouth Town , forgive me if I do not mention your club, are better than Trelawney league table suggests.

This year for me Camborne Park stand out, unbeaten in there respective league, they now get promoted to div 3, who is to say they keep there squad together, and get promoted next year or there squad regroups and go to another team "local to there area" and Camborne Park struggle and get relegated.

How many teams/players are willing to commit to 6 years of hopeful progression with the same club ?

That won't happen at Camborne Park but understand exactly where you are coming from ... some players just give up on clubd when success dries up .. no commitment these days .. ive been associated with Camborne Park since they first started 10 years ago and been through it all and seen every type of player

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

Not yet you haven't erby, move up to senior football.....then you'll have a shock.

[erby ruin]

Never played senior football tbh so can't comment on that in fairness

[cb_fc]

To be fair the league should have kpt it as it was n just awared the other teams the points. Teams who pay to rent changing rooms for home games and ref fees plus kit cleaning and drivers esp coming from the far reaches of our league, newquay or pzance areas all mounts up. The fixtures home/away cost my club £50+ for both fixtures to be played then u have the leg work to get the team out fone calls text etc then to have the points and goals taken away way abit harsh. I know its not redruths doing im just saying it was abit harsh n unfair how the league done this and as above shouldn't the ccfa refund and erase that booking from their records. Probably wont happen. Im not bashing the trelawny league or ccfa in this comment its just an opinion.