BAGMAN Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Is it just me or is the current Rule imposed by Cornwall FA that states that if you have played in the Junior Cup for your Clubs Reserve team you cannot then play for your respective First Team in the Senior Cup making a complete mockery of this years competition? I think I am right in stating that at least 2 if not more Senior Cup ties were either not played or severely diminished as a contest this last weekend due to this apparent stupid rule. As a Reserve team player, to get a call up to your first team to play in the Senior Cup should be an aspiration and then to be subsequently denied the opportunity to do so by needless red tape seems to me utter rubbish. I understand the need to stop Senior players dropping levels to bolster reserve teams but the other way - what a crock!! My club for instance were almost forced to forfeit our game but only for the flexibility and willingness of a couple of third team players to step up and travel were we able to complete our commitment to the fixture!! Anyone else feel the same?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave bunt Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 If your third team players have not played a competitive game for your first team this season, then you broke another rule implemented by the CCFA this season & if you won your game the team you beat will take your place in the next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluestorm Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Do Helston get fined for breaking this stupid rule even though they lost the match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number5 Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 If a player is signed to a club surely he can play for any of the sides, ie first team player returning from injury and dropping down to gain fittness, or a call up to first team for playing well, its as if the ccfa don't want the teams mixing! To much paperwork perhaps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McHugh Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Do Helston get fined for breaking this stupid rule even though they lost the match? £10:00 per player ! MQx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Luckily they didn't break any rules! Best get your facts right before making an assumption blue storm! Just cos they stepped up from the Thirds doesn't mean they haven't already played for the Firsts - our diligent secretary makes sure of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluestorm Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Good old Steve, can't beat a diligent secretary! hope this rule gets changed for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 This rule as some of the other rules imposed by Cornwall FA have got to be abolished to keep this competition alive ! I am positive that when there committee meets,they discuss inventing a new rule to discourage any interest in Cornish football. It is little wonder that crowds and interest are so abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Simple solution, don't enter either competition. See what happens then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 There was never this amount of controversy in the pastIn those days all players had to be registered with the County F A and receipts of players retained by the club.(ratified by the CCFA)So you knew who was eligible.Not nowadays apparently-it seems its too much hassle by the County to keep a player record and they rely on the Duchy/Trelawney Leagues websites to check out if any player has not made that first club appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It's made an even bigger mess of the Junior Cup than the Senior Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek martyn Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Completely agree with this post. We (Godolphin) had to go into our tie v Newquay on Saturday with only 2 subs because of this totally non sensical ruling. It's fine for all teams who's second team play in East Cornwall league or combo etc but if your reserves are Duchy League you are snookered. There is every chance that if we were to progress much further and got one or 2 injuries we may not be able to field 11 players. How would the CCFA look if Godolphin got to the final and could not field a full team for their end of season showpiece. Who are these people who are running the show at the CCFA, it's just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 What about all the ECPL & Combo sides that enter the Cornwall Senior Cup at Round One, I take it all their reserve sides are 'Junior' clubs ? Perhaps the simplest way to solve the problem would be... The Senior Cup should exclude players if the Reserves are still involved in the Junior Cup, thus giving priority to the side that they play for on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek martyn Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Yes Mark, ECPL clubs are arguably at more of a disadvantage than teams such as ourselves, which is wrong. Your suggested solution makes good sense to me, it's just a shame that the CCFA can't come up with such solutions because their incompetence is undermining their very own competition. It's a total shambles as far as I'm concerned ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 The cornwall fa has been a shambles for years - why do they not encourage local football ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McHugh Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Completely agree with this post. We (Godolphin) had to go into our tie v Newquay on Saturday with only 2 subs because of this totally non sensical ruling. It's fine for all teams who's second team play in East Cornwall league or combo etc but if your reserves are Duchy League you are snookered. There is every chance that if we were to progress much further and got one or 2 injuries we may not be able to field 11 players. How would the CCFA look if Godolphin got to the final and could not field a full team for their end of season showpiece. Who are these people who are running the show at the CCFA, it's just not good enough. Hi Derek, its not fine for teams with reserves in East Cornwall, we are a "senior "club but our reserve players still had to have played a game for the first team so we had 4 lads who were going to play and couldnt! MQx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I really do not wish to get involved in any debate on this subject but suffice it to say that there will almost certainly be changes made to the rules of both Senior and Junior Cups for next season and the process will begin with a Rules Revision meeting this Thursday! You may also be aware that, since June 2012, considerable changes have been made to the way the CCFA Council is structured and each League in Cornwall is entitled to have a representative as a full, voting Council Member: this gives clubs a direct path to air their views and concerns to the CCFA. The changes were instigated by the Chairman (Geoff Lee), who was very aware that there needed to be closer links with stakeholders (largely clubs and players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I believe the CCFA are now a modern, forward looking organisation, doing their best for Cornish Football, and willing to take on board any ideas and criticisms, to make changes where required. What do some people want? Rules are brought in to close loopholes which in the past clubs have exploited. What is wrong with that? Rule changes are approved by clubs at the CCFA annual meeting, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 How can it be a modern, forward looking organisation when it is potentially diminishing it's 'showpiece' Cup competition by needless beaurocracy? As Derek quite rightly stated, imagine a side getting to the Easter Monday Final and not being able to field a team because they couldn't bring in replacements - absolute embarrassment! Additionally, not being able to play in the Cup until you have played a League game is also farcical!! A number of our players are Servicemen so imagine them returning home from overseas to be told "sorry mate, you can't play this Saturday as we are in the Cup and you don't qualify". Crazy situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin richards Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 FUNNY OLD THING RICH, CHRIS MORRIS RETURNED FROM DEPLOYMENT LAST WEEK BUT WASNT ELIGABLE TO PLAY FOR MULLION AT WADEBRIDGE ON SATURDAY. ONLY BEEN SIGNED FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS !!!!!!ALSO, I HAD 2 INJURED PLAYERS ON MY BENCH & OUR 2ND TEAM MANAGER HAD TO TELL 2 PLAYERS THEY COULDNT PLAY ON SATURDAY BECAUSE HE HAD TOO MANY !!!CCFA LOGIC ....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Am I right in thinking that a couple of seasons ago The CCFA overlooked Wadebridge for the Charity Cup?All Cornish clubs from the SWPL Div.1 qualify for entry but they didn't recognise in time that Wadebridge were relegated from the Premier the previous season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Yes, they just used the previous 16 from the season before, instead of working out the correct entrants for that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 Typical Cornwall fa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 I think it's fair to say that the Cornwall Fa are trying to make changes for the better. Unfortunately this rule change was a proper **** up, and in the media this week Dawn Aberdeen anounced they would be dealing with this for next season. From my experience, the times that i have needed to have any contact with them recently, has been mostly good ones. Don't forget how bad it used to be!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Yeah, where's the ghost of John Ryder when you need him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Yeah, where's the ghost of John Ryder when you need him ? Ouch!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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