Shaba man Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 is it true st minver have been kicked out of junior cup for playing a reserve team player ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzer Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 According to the ccfa website Grampound have been reinstated to the jnr cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC4 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Yeah, unfortunately this is the case. We believed it was a Club competition as suggests the wording on the website. Being short that week we called on a reserve team player to help with numbers. No malice or any attempt to cheat the player in question was named on the official team sheet. Just an unfortunate miss understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 We were told yesterday that St Minver has appealed the decision, although according to this forum other clubs have been disqualified for committing the same "offence". The Grampound v Millbrook tie scheduled for this weekend has now been postponed awaiting the outcome of the appeal. The Grampound Res. v St Cleer Res. league match is now back on because the ground is now free but, surprise surprise, there is no ref as the original ref is being sent elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaba man Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 how can they kick a club out for playing their reserve player ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbie Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 how can they kick a club out for playing their reserve player ? cos they are the rules as stupid as they are...same happened to praze in the west for playing their reserve keeper. ..ridiculous rule that needs looking at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaba man Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 when did that rule come in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Crap rule! Fair enough if it's a senior player dropping to a reserve squad, but a reserve player going the other way seems a bit harsh. Junior football down here is way too political, too many stupid and unintelligent rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willser ! Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The rule is that any player must have played at least one league game to become eligible for the junior cup. I assume in this case, the player from St Minver's Res. hasn't previously played for the 1st team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Sixes Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I have thought about putting a P6 Res team in next season as we have an abundance of players. This rule troubles me in that I would need to give game time to players from the reserves who I may not need to use early in the season just to ensure they are eligible for later in the season if they are needed. This is particuarly harsh in the case of the team from the West who fielded their reserve GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willser ! Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I have thought about putting a P6 Res team in next season as we have an abundance of players. This rule troubles me in that I would need to give game time to players from the reserves who I may not need to use early in the season just to ensure they are eligible for later in the season if they are needed. This is particuarly harsh in the case of the team from the West who fielded their reserve GK This rule only applies to the Junior Cup as it is a CCFA rule. If you have two duchy sides, you can play any amount of players in either team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC4 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The player had not played a first team league game, but has been a fixture with the reserves. This was where the rules were breached. We were under the impression it was a Club not a team competition. I fully understand where you are coming from P6, it can be a juggling act and potentially compromise league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farley Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Do you get fined aswell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaba man Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 so if a young player works hard in the reserves they wont get to play in junior cup if first team short or useing roll on roll of subs . sounds like yet anova rule the fa have not thought thru and will hinder development . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC4 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 No, dont think so. That may change once the appeal has been considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The relevant Junior Cup rule is:- 12a. Registration of Players. In ALL Rounds of ALL County Competitions a player shall be a ‘registered and recognised playing member of his Team’. A registered member is one who is registered with the League in which his Team competes in the current season. A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the Team in the current season. Should a player play for more than one Team, or plays for a Team without being properly registered he shall be guilty of misconduct and liable to be dealt with as the Council may determine. The bit in red is clear enough, but I don't think too many people spotted it before this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeWoz Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 What a stupid rule. I hope it gets over turned. In my eyes st minver beat grampound fair and square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farley Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The junior cup is a joke. How many teams a season get kicked out? Would be interesting to see the stats. And how much revenue have the ccfa made from subsequent fines. People may say the rules are clear, as above, but it only takes someone to interpret the word 'team' as the same as 'club' and you can get in trouble. I remember hearing about a team not wanting to enter the junior cup because they couldn't raise a side due to having too many ex senior players from the season before........ But guess what. If you don't enter...... You get fined £50!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidgeon Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 Some rules are just not logical. What's the point in having a reserve team if you cannot call upon them when required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willser ! Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 I think the fine is £10 per eligible player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Sixes Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 It is a daft rule as it in effect nullifies the point of having a reserve team in Junior football. I cannot understand the logic in punishing sides who have to call players up as they are hardly ringers. The main reason I would go to the hassle of entering a second team is to ensure the first team have the best possible chance in competitions such as the Junior Cup. A few years ago you had to sign Duchy forms and CCFA forms for the Junior cup. We had a second team and therefore ensured EVERY second team player signed the CCFA so they could be used if needed in the Junior Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minver2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The thing is in previous years the rules stated club not team. Wherever the word 'team' is now it used to say 'club'. So I think this is where part of the confusion has been. Like AVFC says, there was no attempt to bend the rules or cheat. I think this just highlights that the rules need clarifying regardless of the outcome of the appeal. The relevant Junior Cup rule is:- 12a. Registration of Players. In ALL Rounds of ALL County Competitions a player shall be a registered and recognised playing member of his Team. A registered member is one who is registered with the League in which his Team competes in the current season. A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the Team in the current season. Should a player play for more than one Team, or plays for a Team without being properly registered he shall be guilty of misconduct and liable to be dealt with as the Council may determine. The bit in red is clear enough, but I don't think too many people spotted it before this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minver2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 The thing is in previous years the rules stated club not team. Wherever the word 'team' is now it used to say 'club'. So I think this is where part of the confusion has been. Like AVFC says, there was no attempt to bend the rules or cheat. I think this just highlights that the rules need clarifying regardless of the outcome of the appeal. The relevant Junior Cup rule is:- 12a. Registration of Players. In ALL Rounds of ALL County Competitions a player shall be a registered and recognised playing member of his Team. A registered member is one who is registered with the League in which his Team competes in the current season. A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the Team in the current season. Should a player play for more than one Team, or plays for a Team without being properly registered he shall be guilty of misconduct and liable to be dealt with as the Council may determine. The bit in red is clear enough, but I don't think too many people spotted it before this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copey Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 This junior cup rule is ridiculas this season! Does it mean that if a player has played for a side in a league cup match does that make him able to play in the junior cup!cause i was lead to believe that you can only play in the junior cup if u have made an apperance in a league match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETER HOCKIN Posted November 28, 2013 Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 AJW going back to your earlier post have you heard if we've now got a referee for our reserves match. Peter, St Cleer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaba man Posted November 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2013 its a joke in my opinion. youd never see the fa kicking a prem club out of the fa cup for putting out reserve players like they do ! i feel sorry for the clubs that have been kicked out coz they havnt been told of the rule changes. Its like the fa want to catch clubs out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 AJW going back to your earlier post have you heard if we've now got a referee for our reserves match. Peter, St Cleer Not yet Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Shaba. If a prem club played an illegible player they would be kicked out. It's the whole signing rules down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_fc Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Better ruling wud be only players who have played junior football in the current season can compete in the junior cup. If uv played in a senior mate regardless even if its 1 game as a sub then u cant play but if uv bin a junior player all season regardless if ur 1st or reserve side aslong as ur junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabby Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 In this case the player in question has been playing three leagues lower . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo147 Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Understand the outcome of the appeal is today, think we all know what that result will be. The truth of this rule being wrong will come next season when it's changed. As usual it takes a travesty to change the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 or travesties!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC4 Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Appeal dismissed, We are officially out of the Junior Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 its up to the clubs to contact the county fa and ask for a rule change. surely there is enough clubs that have been effected by this rule this season to get the rule amended for next season. the clubs have to tell the committee what they want or nothing will change!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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