west1 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 David Morey;The Referee in The game Marazion v Mousehole DIV 4Was Told By Alan Wallace Who Was Assessing Him That A Referee Assisstant IS NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE OFFSIDS- THE LOWEST LEVEL OF FOOTBALL THAT ASSISANTS CAN GIVE OFFSIDES IS COMBINATION LEAGUE CAN ANY REFEREE CONFIRM THIS THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 West1 it comes down to each individual referee and what instructions they give to their club assistants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 It was my understanding that Referee assessors don't announce their presence at games, instead they contact the home secretary the morning of the game to confirm it is still on, and that the referee they are due to assess is the man in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 west1, who told you that, any conversation between the referee and an assessor is between them and I for one cannot believe that comment regarding club assistants, of course they are allowed to flag for offside if that is what the referee wants them to do. Now if you travel up north club assistants were only asked to give ball in & out of play no offsides ( not sure if it is still done ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 It's entirely up to the referee for what he chooses to use his assistants for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 If you watch some of the guys that are asked to run the line, it's a bleddy joke. They haven't got a clue what they're doing. Refs need assistants to call offsides, there is no way they can be expected to be well positioned for every decision. However, watching some of the performances of club linemen, I wouldn't be surprised if some refs just ignore them. And then there are those that cheat.......all adds up to a hiding to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 If you watch some of the guys that are asked to run the line, it's a bleddy joke. They haven't got a clue what they're doing. Refs need assistants to call offsides, there is no way they can be expected to be well positioned for every decision. However, watching some of the performances of club linemen, I wouldn't be surprised if some refs just ignore them. And then there are those that cheat.......all adds up to a hiding to nothing. it also depends if the lino is qualified if not that has been the case in the past as most junior games the lino is the sub and is usually peed off that he is not starting and does not give it his full attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 However, Alan has been known to interpret his role as a referee assessor somewhat differently and idiosyncratically; and even the CCFA have tried on several occasions to make him draw his horns in. I think he's one of the great characters of the game, personally ! Ah, that bracing Marazion air ! I won't be mentioning the late Emperor Napoleon in this post at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 As the assistant referee for this game I can advise that the instructions from the referee were "ball in and out of play, offsides wait until the ball is with the player who is offside and then flag, if you see something on my blindside then flag and I will either stop play and ask what it was or will play the advantage". Alan Wallace said it was an FA Law that no assistant below combination level can give an offside decision. So I take it all the referees that do Trelawny League games are going against an FA law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 As for the comment about informing the secretary and confirming whether the game is on and who is officiating the game, that didn't happen either but as Alan is a law unto himself is there any wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Marazion2013, It is not laid down in stone that you inform the secretary that you will be assessing and to check on the referee, it is your choice if you wish to risk the game not being on or maybe a referee change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Sorry Mr Manning was just replying on what Ben had said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Marazion2013, no problem I was just trying to set the record straight so to speak and to add further I cannot see Alan Wallace stating that it is a FA Law that assistants below Combination level cannot advise a referee to players in offside positions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I can assure you that he did state that. When I was stood by the dugout where he was assessing from he told me I am not allowed to flag for an offside in Trelawny League Football. The lowest level a club assistant can do this is combination league. And he stated it was an FA law. Whether that is Cornwall FA I am not sure but it is what he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 The guy does sound a bit... interesting.. So if the linesman doesn't flag.. and the referee is on the other side of the pitch.. how does he know it's offside?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyWisp Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Football, tiz a funny ole game innum! i was also there, and i did notice the marazion lino and the ref in deep discussion, perhaps refs are being tought that now, the ref was certainly acting the part and did everything prim and proper even if he did get a few things wrong with decisions.. We are all but human after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 what is the point in being an assistant if you cannot give any decisions. in the combo you have to provide a qualified person and then are told you cannot give anything other than in and out of play or offside. what is the problem if you are qualified. or is it just the minority of clubs who cannot be bothered to get some one qualified and please don't bring up about cheating as the majority of assistants that I have had dealings with do their best which is all we can ask of anyone at our level of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Postman Pat, I will try and clear up a few points, firstly assistants do not make any decisions, they are all the referee`s, Assistants should carryout the duties allocated to them by the referee before the start of the match. There is no FA law which states that club assistants should not be given the job of informing the referee of a player in an offside position. I have always asked my club assistants to give me offside`s but I always retain the right to play on if I decide it`s not interfering with play.. This is so strange that I can only think something has been misheard or a comment taken out of context. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyblueref Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Postman Pat, I will try and clear up a few points, firstly assistants do not make any decisions, they are all the referee`s, Assistants should carryout the duties allocated to them by the referee before the start of the match. There is no FA law which states that club assistants should not be given the job of informing the referee of a player in an offside position. I have always asked my club assistants to give me offside`s but I always retain the right to play on if I decide it`s not interfering with play.. This is so strange that I can only think something has been misheard or a comment taken out of context.I hope this helps.I think PP will know the LOAF as he's a qualified ref, although not active at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 you are correct skyblueref which makes it even more frustrating. also surely as an FA standard charter league something can be done to ensure all clubs have a qualified assistant. that way you then ensure each club can have a ref to stand in if required. win win !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaac rosenberg Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Ah, but Alan may have some special messages for your club, Marazion 2013, as your committee forbears there gave him the boot about ten years ago. I think he was once Chairman...when you were a Combo club !Is his ex-wife Barbara still influential there ?.....legend ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 The same assessor told our keeper on Saturday whilst warming up, that he couldn't wear the black top he had on.....our keeper's response....."Yeah I know, that's why it's a training top....!!!!" He quickly scurried off...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west1 Posted November 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 good for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minns Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Alan Wallace, says it all, guy is a joke !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Mr manning said that it can't be right. And let's face it, refs are never wrong so that must be the case. Marazion2013 you must be mistaken!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I guess I, manager, subs and spectators who were stood next to him when he said it were mistaken then!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Marazion2013, please re read my post where I say that " i find it strange" and i do that`s why I am logically looking for any explaination, that is not to say you were mistaken, I was not there and cannot possibly say, but if that happened then I cannot understand why it was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marazion2013 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 No worries Mr Manning. Just wanted to point out that he did say exactly that. I must add that the referee David Morey did a good job officiating the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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