Mossy Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Knock out cup game cancelled due to no ref!!! This season I have seen games cancelled due to no referee, for me this is a massive issue that the league really need to look at, do they not understand that this could have big implications on teams and ruin seasons for teams. I know it's the same for everyone in junior football but once again I can see a lot of teams having a big build up of games at the end of the season. It really isn't good enough and someone somewhere isn't doing their job properly, have been involved in junior football for a number of years now and have never seen this situation before, so please don't ruin what junior teams are trying to work hard for and get this problem under control.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Another referee thread!! Havent we covered this to death? Free course available provided by CCFA and Trelawney league - http://www.cornwallfootballforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=25968 What else can they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointers Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Stop accepting teams into the bloody leagues!!!!!!!!! Too many teams and not enough refs its not hard to do the maths!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I think the official line is, Stop moaning about it and do something about it instead. The CCFA are clearly aware of the situation, and I'm sure Paul Murphy has aged 15 years in the last 12 months. There is nothing more they can do. It's up to the clubs and the individuals to put their hands up and say, We'll do something to help Heaven forbid it, but there are those that might actually enjoy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossy Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yes another referee thread and there will be lots more throughout the season until the situation is dealt with!!!!!!! And as for helping out I didn't see anyone from the league at the start of the season sending out letters or emails telling us there is a lack of officials this season and is there anyone involved in our club that would like to attend a free coaching course to resolve the matter. We don't want to see anyone who is trying to deal with the problem getting grieve, all we are saying is this is a problem and we don't want to remember the 2013/14 season like this for some of us it should be about loving playing football and not being told we can't because of reasons that can be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yes new referee`s is part of the answer but retaining them is the biggest problem, in all my years as a referee it has happened eg, 10 referee`s pass the exams but I can guarantee the at the end of two seasons out of that ten perhaps only three will still be officiating. So please do not think that these courses are the complete answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossy Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I don't think it's the saving grace but with ur experience and what you are saying this problem should have been looked at years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Is there any way the CCFA can impose sanctions on the respective junior leagues to either reduce the number of teams or at least prevent them from accepting new ones into their leagues. If what is written on here is to believed then referees have had enough of the abuse from players - but they are the ones with the immediate power during a game - get tough on players - when I managed I had no sympathy for my players if they gobbed off and got carded for it so why are more not carded if there is so much abuse. Players will soon learn if they are suspended and if they don't then they won't be playing very much and the abuse will soon reduce. Not rocket science is it? P.S. This is not a dig at referees - just a suggestion as to how to solve some of the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Seems like a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted! There would surely have been signs of ref numbers going down, im guessing they havent all quit at once! Think new teams should be stopped for 5years and let the league settle down, refs will take a while to replace so we will have to be patient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unitedrhino2 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Aged 15 years in the last year, isn't he paid £30k a year Too many Teams end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ern Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Too many teams? the other day i was reading a topic about people moaning of lack of fixtures due to not enough teams in the league for example the Duchy Pem this year... i was reading a post saying with the lack of teams in it the season will be finished by end of March!!! And that is with a 2 week break over xmas and spare fixture weeks during the season when teams are not playing. Usually its the end of May when the season has finished. I personally think that the problem is Refs getting the gob and aggro on the pitch on a Saturday or Sunday... who the hell wants to get that every weekend?? I certainly wouldnt want it... Our game yesterday was a prime example of this with some of the home team and its supporters being a bloody disgrace towards the ref. Poor bloke was giving us all a game of football and he was abused to hell. So if the refs recieve the abuse and get fed up with it they aint going to do it resulting in the shortage we have now. i have played in the duchy league for 18 years and throughout the duchy divisions it is the least amount of teams that i can ever recall. So i personally think and this is only my opinion... that the problem is the players. The other point if i recall correctly??? the Duchy leauge would not allow new teams in the league unless they have a desegnated ref within the club? i say this as a few years ago i enquired about putting a reserve team in duchy 5. And we had to get someone to go on a free refs coarse to be qaulified to officiate home games... is this still in place?? i mean at the end of the day the ccfa cant make people become refs so we cant moan at them saying they need to address the issue can we???... could this be an option for clubs to have a ref within the club?? but its same old thing can you find people to do it without them replying to the question and saying F***that!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish 1 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 The problem I keep hearing from many referees is the amount of abuse they get not only from the players but also officials of the clubs and spectators its easy to blame the ref or the league but it's about time clubs took some of the responsibility and blame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Is there any way the CCFA can impose sanctions on the respective junior leagues to either reduce the number of teams or at least prevent them from accepting new ones into their leagues. If what is written on here is to believed then referees have had enough of the abuse from players - but they are the ones with the immediate power during a game - get tough on players - when I managed I had no sympathy for my players if they gobbed off and got carded for it so why are more not carded if there is so much abuse. Players will soon learn if they are suspended and if they don't then they won't be playing very much and the abuse will soon reduce. Not rocket science is it? P.S. This is not a dig at referees - just a suggestion as to how to solve some of the problems. I believe the FA themselves (not county) are actively encouraging an increase in participation (both in terms of active players and active teams) and as such the local powers that be are unlikely to be able to restrict the number of new sides. As for the referee's getting tough, I take your point, but how many times have you heard people bemoaning the "over-officious ref". Rock and hard-place come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Aged 15 years in the last year, isn't he paid £30k a year Too many Teams end of Not sure on full figure but it is way less than £30k!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 In my personal opinion it's time for teams especially in the lower echelons of the Trelawny league who are probably affected by this more often to come to an agreement that if an "official" official is unavailable a willing volunteer preferebly from the home club is allowed to officiate and therefore fulfil the fixture. Whilst this is not ideal at least 22+ players who just want to have a game of football on the weekend can have the chance and not sit out a perfectly good Saturday on a fixture that if not played would be probably be shoe-horned in on a mad dash monday night evening game. I've heard on the Camborne jungle drums which are very loud at the moment as they have reached me as far away as the Philippenes that a Holmans player (Adam Batchelor)did this very thing yesterday allowing the Wendron v Holmans game to go ahead....we lost so they probably wished he hadnt bothered and knowing Adz probably sent Mark Richards off but the game was fulfilled and everyone got a run out and not subjected to Xmas Shopping (i wish) On the subject of Paul Murphy the man does an amazing job and I would dread to think what his home life on a Friday night Saturday night is like, yes he's paid by the CCFA which clubs contribute to via affiliation but he can't produce a ref out of thin air and if people continue to berate and undermine referees on a saturday afternoon and on this forum no wonder he is struggling to get all the fixtures a dedicated Ref. Is their too many teams...probably, and ive made my views clear on this before that to many "new" teams are entering leagues to "play with their mates" which sees established clubs struggle to put out a bare 11. I'm sure the amount of players registering with the league season after season is roughly the same however the players are more thinly spread. Is this a sign rolling subs is not working as intended as it was meant to increase squad sizes and allow more participation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 The Forum Oracle from 9,000 miles away has spoken! I know this has been said before previously in other threads, but seeing as this one is mostly covering well worn ground anyway.. Is there scope for Junior Clubs to have a "designated official" within their ranks? Going back to the days of the West Penwith League (playing Pendeen 4 times a season, usually away in December and January.. great fun!), I remember a lot of games being officiated by "in-house" Referees.. and can honestly say I only remember one game in the last 13 years where a "home" referee has been biased to his own team. As Pitty says, all we want to do is play football on a Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Stop abusing the refs, and give them a chance to enjoy the game as well - you may get a few more, or at least keep the ones you've got. If I was a ref ... half of you would be off for yer gobs and attitude. And yes, the further up the food chain ... the worse it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Stop abusing the refs, and give them a chance to enjoy the game as well - you may get a few more, or at least keep the ones you've got. If I was a ref ... half of you would be off for yer gobs and attitude. And yes, the further up the food chain ... the worse it is. The FA are running a free course. Why not take it and start encouraging the better behaviour then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Stop abusing the refs, and give them a chance to enjoy the game as well - you may get a few more, or at least keep the ones you've got. If I was a ref ... half of you would be off for yer gobs and attitude. And yes, the further up the food chain ... the worse it is. The FA are running a free course. Why not take it and start encouraging the better behaviour then? dont think older would last the pace now and his care home might not be to keen if he came back all sweaty ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 The Duchy League has a system whereby any new team admitted to the league must put someone forward for training as a referee (or, of course, name someone to start reffing who has already done the course and qualified but has not been available to the appointments officer). On the face of it this would seem a good system, but I am not aware who those refs are, which teams have defaulted on the arrangement, if any, or what sanctions the Duchy League impose if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Stop abusing the refs, and give them a chance to enjoy the game as well - you may get a few more, or at least keep the ones you've got. If I was a ref ... half of you would be off for yer gobs and attitude. And yes, the further up the food chain ... the worse it is. The FA are running a free course. Why not take it and start encouraging the better behaviour then? Ermmm!!!!! I think I might be a bit to old - I'll be picking my old age pension up pretty soon now. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Thats not an excuse, plenty of referee`s over 60.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot Loose 1 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Why moan about to many teams in the league, and then blame the league management committee, If you knew the facts you would be asking your club representatives who attended the Trelawny Annual General Meeting did he/she vote to allow new teams into the league. The Management Committee advise existing clubs of new applicants, and then the existing clubs vote which, if any, they allow into the league. (NOT THE LEAGUE COMMITTEE MEMBERS), 'SO CLUBS YOU GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER IF YOU THINK THERE ARE TO MANY TEAMS'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish-Ref Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 You're already complaining about this season, all I can say is wait until next.......I believe that in the next 2 or 3 seasons, many teams in Junior football will play every week without a referee... it is your OWN fault guys (Players, Clubs and Supporters), not the FAs, CCFAs or RAs, and definitely not Paul Murphy's....!I am a referee yes and unlike you I actually face the SHIT given every match....Personally I have made a decision that it is time to resole this, with my action likely to be a MASSIVE increase in the number of cards that I issue. If all referee's applied the law fully and issued cautions for decent or even red cards for foul and abusive, you wouldn't be able to afford to play....... At least then you'll actually have something to complain about...!!!!Others will simply hang up their boots and you'll be left with fewer to go around..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 You're already complaining about this season, all I can say is wait until next....... I believe that in the next 2 or 3 seasons, many teams in Junior football will play every week without a referee... it is your OWN fault guys (Players, Clubs and Supporters), not the FAs, CCFAs or RAs, and definitely not Paul Murphy's....! I am a referee yes and unlike you I actually face the SHIT given every match.... Personally I have made a decision that it is time to resole this, with my action likely to be a MASSIVE increase in the number of cards that I issue. If all referee's applied the law fully and issued cautions for decent or even red cards for foul and abusive, you wouldn't be able to afford to play....... At least then you'll actually have something to complain about...!!!! Others will simply hang up their boots and you'll be left with fewer to go around..... Perhaps a slightly naive question on my behalf, but is it at the referee's discretion as to what (and what colour) they issue cards for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Getting booked for DISSENT is BULLSHIT! I got booked this season for telling the ref I got my foot to the ball(which I did),that woz all I said,I never swore,that woz DISSENT according to him,10 flippin quid!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farley Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Toffee man - have you ever seen a ref overturn a decision after a player disagrees with a decision, rightly or wrongly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 No never,I wouldn't expect them to,I just think dissent can b a grey area,otherwise every player manager/coach would get booked every game cos they disagree with the ref! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverdogfox Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 One of the biggest differences is that Referees Know the laws of the game - players and managers (Unless they have done the referees course) just think that they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Laws regarding dissent?dont disagree with the ref.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 you do not even have to speak to a ref to be booked for descent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Postman pat how the f is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Postman pat how the f is that possible? Just a wild guess here.. but I'd imagine sticking your fingers up at the man in the middle, or suggesting he is an investment banker with a vigorous shake of your wrist, would warrant a card of some description.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Is that dissent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Well put it this way, I wouldn't want to try it out on Saturday, just to make sure.. Christmas is round the corner and I have 6 nieces that demand presents bought for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee man Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I wud say those offences are red cards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farley Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Clapping sarcastically at a decision is dissent. And warrants a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Dissent is by word or action so sarcastic clapping is dissent ( I have myself cautioned a player for that) and as per earlier post, yes telling the ref that you got your toe to the ball means you disagree with his decision therefore it`s dissent. Recently i had a player start shouting at me that a decision of mine was wrong and rubbish I asked him to be quiet to no avail so I cautioned him, now after the game his manager informed me that my decision on the foul was correct as the player who committed it admitted to it, Now the stupid thing is his team were never going to lose the game ( only a few minutes remaining) so why on earth start abusing the referee, is it all fair game now from some players who just love to mouth off to prove how macho they are, but then whinge when it cost`s them a caution, I wish I knew the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Just getting back to the main subject of this thread through my work over the last year I would like to explain the following: Too many teams: As a lot of you may know I am the FA Charter Standard Co-ordinator for the Trelawny League. The League achieved FA Charter Standard League Status last season in order to ensure that each member club is sustainable by achieving their own FA Charter Standard Adult Club status. There has been some great work done by individual clubs to achieve this and a lot of apathy from others who have yet to grasp the reality. Why Charter Standard League? Well the following now applies: All new clubs in accordance with the FA guidelines for FA CS Leagues have to achieve Adult Clubs Status within 12 months of being elected. This means they need the following: A Club Constitution An Emergency Aid Qualified Person per team (Certificates supplied) Adopt the FA Codes of Conduct They also need to give evidence of: AGM Minutes Committee Meeting Minutes (less than 3 months old) Accounts (Financial balance Sheet) Equality Policy Existing Clubs were given 24 months to achieve the Adult Club status and are required to produce exactly the same. This rule has now been subsumed into league rules and therefore is mandatory. Those who do not achieve the required status may ultimately be expelled from the league. This creates a minimum requirement for all clubs to achieve and stop the ritual loss of historical clubs due to mates forming new clubs down the road with absolutely no structure or sustainability. Not enough Referees: The next step is the league becoming an FA Respect League and this has already begun by the Trelawny League Sponsoring places on the next CCFA Referee's Course, Again the response so far has been minimal. The League can only facilitate and support the clubs and it is up to the clubs whether they wish to utilise the support given. So far in 2013 the League has offered 70 free places on Emergency Aid Courses.....Only 26 of the 62 Clubs have taken advantage of the scheme. We have put on 3 support evenings all of which have had minimal attendance and usually it is the same clubs attending time after time. Next week we have a top FA Coach giving a free seminar to all League coaches and yet another Emergency Aid Course. There are so many fantastic volunteers within the member clubs of the Trelawny League but the biggest trend I find working with the Clubs is that in a large number of them there are 1 or 2 people doing everything. Instead of thinking about what is missing and who is to blame, why not think about what you can do yourself to help your club and your league? This is in no way an official message from the League but rather a plea from the League's FA CS Co-ordinator for more people to understand why FA CS and the Respect campaign are so important in putting right what is perceived to be what is wrong. Thanks, Scooby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Existing Clubs were given 24 months to achieve the Adult Club status and are required to produce exactly the same. This rule has now been subsumed into league rules and therefore is mandatory. Those who do not achieve the required status may ultimately be expelled from the league. This creates a minimum requirement for all clubs to achieve and stop the ritual loss of historical clubs due to mates forming new clubs down the road with absolutely no structure or sustainability. When is the deadline for "Adult Club Status"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 19th April 2014 for newly elected clubs & 19th April 2015 for existing member clubs as of the award on 19th April 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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