WHO DO YOU THINK WOOD AV MADE THE BEST ENGLAND MANAGER AFTER ALF RAMSEY

[Guest stealth]

STEALTH I THINK BRIAN CLOUGH :ninja:

[Guest Cornishdave1980]

Personnally i liked Terry Venables, and if he wasn't given the boot he could have gone on to greatness

[Guest class of 93]

stealth ,im with you ,its a disgrace cloughie never managed england!!

[cockerkneeboy]

Manager England career Played Won Drawn Lost

Walter Winterbottom 1946 - 1962 139 78 33 28

Alf Ramsey 1963 - 1974 113 69 27 17

Don Revie 1974 - 1977 29 14 8 7

Ron Greenwood 1977 - 1982 55 33 12 10

Bobby Robson 1982 - 1990 95 47 30 18

Graham Taylor 1990 - 1993 38 18 13 7

Terry Venables 1994 - 1996 23 11 11 1

Glenn Hoddle 1996 - 1999 28 17 6 5

KevinKevin Keegan 1999 - 2000 18 7 7 4

Sven-Göran Eriksson 2001 - 2006 67 40 17 10

Steve McClaren 2006 - 0000 12 5 4 3

These figures include friendly matches too - Taylor's and Wilkinson's losses were all friendly games. Kevin Keegan took England to Euro 2000 but they were knocked out in the first round. Glen Hoddle took England to the World Cup 1998 (where they were beaten in penalties by Argentina in the second phase of the competition - that match where Owen got a great goal but Beckham got sent off).

Terry Venables got England to the semi finals of Euro 96 held in England (England lost to Germany on penalties in the semi final - remember that Southgate penalty miss - but England did beat a strong Holland team 4-1 earlier in the competition).

Graham Taylor took England to Euro 1992 where they were knocked out in the first round after losing to Sweden 2-1 . He failed to qualify England for the 1994 World Cup.

Bobby Robson took England to the semi finals of the World Cup 1990 (where they were beaten by Germany on penalties - Pearce and Waddle missed their penalties). He also took England to the quarter finals in the 1986 World Cup where Argentina beat England 2-1 (Maradona scored a wonder goal and a goal that was really handball). England did get to Euro 88 but lost all their group stage matches.

Ron Greenwood took England to the World Cup in 1982 where they were knocked out in the second phase of the competition without losing a game in any of their matches. In the second phase only the top team qualified and England drew against Germany and Spain 0-0.

Alf Ramsey won the World Cup for England in 1966 and also took them to the 1970 World Cup (where West Germany won 3-2 in the quarter finals). However, England failed to qualify for the 1974 World Cup. The late Walter Winterbottom also had a good record as England manager with the longest period in charge and most wins.

Who is the best England manager? Well looking at the results in World Cup competitions, Alf Ramsey is the only one to have won the world cup to date (although he did have a tough time towards the end of his reign). Bobby Robson got England to the quarter finals and semi finals of World Cup competitions and lost unluckily both times.

Our first foreign manager, Sven Goran Eriksson did well qualifying England for the World Cup 2002 finals and reached the quarter finals of the competition where England lost 2-1 to the favourites Brazil. He also took England to the quarter finals of Euro 2004 where the hosts Portugal won on penalties. Eriksson then easily qualified England for the World Cup 2006 but again lost to Portugal on penalties (in the quarter finals). He is one of England's most successful managers as he only lost 3 out of 40 competitive matches. Only Alf Ramsey and Bobby Robson have taken England further in the World Cup.

In answer to your origional question

Bob paisley

Managerial honours

1974/75 Charity Shield : First prize of his managerial career

1975/76 League Championship (Division 1) : First major trophy of his managerial career

1975/76 UEFA Cup : His first European trophy and Liverpool's second

1976/77 Charity Shield : His second Charity Shield

1976/77 League Championship (Division 1) : His second league title

1976/77 European Cup : Liverpool's first European Cup - club would have ended season as treble winners had it not been for an FA Cup final defeat to Manchester United

1977/78 Charity Shield Shared : Shared with Manchester United, who beat them in the previous season's cup final

1977/78 European Super Cup : Liverpool's first Super Cup

1977/78 European Cup : Retained European Cup from the previous year

1978/79 League Championship (Division 1) : Third title in four years

1979/80 Charity Shield : His fourth charity shield

1979/80 League Championship (Division 1) : Fourth title in five years

1980/81 League Cup : Liverpool's first ever League Cup

1980/81 European Cup : European Cup number 3

1981/82 League Cup : Retained League Cup

1981/82 League Championship (Division 1) : Fifth title in seven years

1982/83 Charity Shield : Charity shield number 5

1982/83 League Cup : Third successive League Cup

1982/83 League Championship (Division 1) : 19th and final managerial prize

Sir Alex ferguson

Managerial honours

Ferguson was made an Inaugural Inductee of the English Football Hall of Fame in 2002 in recognition of his impact on the English game as a manager.

Aberdeen 1978–1986

Domestic competition

Scottish League: (3) 1979-80, 1983-84, 1984-85

Runners-Up: (2) 1980-81, 1981-82

Scottish Cup: (4) 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86

Scottish League Cup: (1) 1985-86

Runners-Up: (2) 1978-79, 1979-80

European competition

European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1982-83

UEFA Super Cup: (1) 1983-84

Manchester United 1986-

Domestic competition

FA Premiership: (9) 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07

FA Cup: (5) 1989-90, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1998-99, 2003-04

League Cup: (2) 1991-92, 2005-06

FA Charity/Community Shield: (7) 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007

European competition

UEFA Champions League: (1) 1998-1999

European Cup Winners Cup: (1) 1990-91

Intercontinental Cup: (1) 1999

UEFA Supercup: (1) 1991-92

Notes: * The 1990 Charity Shield Final was drawn 1-1 with Liverpool and each club kept the shield for 6 months. The penalty shoot-out decider was abolished in the 1980s and only reinstated in 1993.

I should say in answer to your question these two would have been good but i would not like to say which one.

[cornishteddyboy]

The best person England should have had as their manager was Sir Jackie Charlton.

When he finished playing his 774 league games at age 38 he became manager of Middlebourgh. He took them to promotion to the top flight and was awarded Manager of the Year, the first time someone outside the old First Division/Premiership had won it.

He then became manager of Sheffield Wednesday and got them promotion from the old Division 3.

He then became manager of The Irish Republic's team and had a record of

PL W D L F A

94 47 30 17 128 63

A 50% win rate, better than Don Revie, Graham Taylor and Glen Hoddle

Imagine what he could of done if he was the manager of England with the players available in the 1980-90's.

[Guest Cornishdave1980]

Fantastic thread Cockerneeboy, i bet that took some home work. I tipped Venables originally and by the stats above he was a good call, plus if you think of the players coming through as well, Beckham Scholes, Neville then he might have done something special.

But in agreement each manager has given us something to think about whether that be good or bad!

Long live Turnip head!

[cockerkneeboy]

Fantastic thread Cockerneeboy, i bet that took some home work. I tipped Venables originally and by the stats above he was a good call, plus if you think of the players coming through as well, Beckham Scholes, Neville then he might have done something special.

But in agreement each manager has given us something to think about whether that be good or bad!

Long live Turnip head!

Cornishdave1980, Long live turnip head :clapper:

[Guest crosser]

The best person England should have had as their manager was Sir Jackie Charlton.

When he finished playing his 774 league games at age 38 he became manager of Middlebourgh. He took them to promotion to the top flight and was awarded Manager of the Year, the first time someone outside the old First Division/Premiership had won it.

He then became manager of Sheffield Wednesday and got them promotion from the old Division 3.

He then became manager of The Irish Republic's team and had a record of

PL W D L F A

94 47 30 17 128 63

A 50% win rate, better than Don Revie, Graham Taylor and Glen Hoddle

Imagine what he could of done if he was the manager of England with the players available in the 1980-90's.

sorry but jack charlton was only an earlier version of steve mclaren ok he might have won more games but the football he served up was dross, and it was all based a round a "crazy gang" style work ethic, and by Cockerneeboy stats hoddle has a win percentage of 60% which the last time I looked was more than 50%

Also Taylor again was from the jack charlton school of manager's, how he ever got the england job is beyond me but that was in the charlie hughes day's, as for revie he was well before my time.

[Guest Postie Pidge]

Terry Venables wasn't booted out. It would have been ideal if he could have carried on.

Brian Clough - he took no shit from anyone!

[chairman]

Cloughie would certainly have brought us something different, as would Venables.

Regretfully, England Managers will increasingly have fewer top class Players to pick from as the insurgence of Foreigners continues.

[hammers]

Brian Clough without a doubt, a pity he was never given the chance, maybe that was because he was to outspoken, & was never afraid to speak his mind,

Hammers :c: