Reinstatement Rule changing....hopefully!

[Pitty]

Have just received the proposed reinstatement rule change and I have to say its a really good step in the right direction if voted in at the trelawny AGM. I've pasted the proposed new rules below but briefly as follows.

1. No more £6 fee

2. Teams can field only 2 players who have played over 2 games at senior level

3. Teams to annotate on team sheets senior players

4. Teams with higher placed Trelawny teams can only play 2 players from higher league

5. Players with over 15 senior matches in a season will become ineligible to play junior football

6. If a senior player does not play a senior competition for 35 days he is eligible to play junior football

OR

i. A team shall not include more than 2 players who have taken part in any 2 or more senior competition matches during the current season unless a period of 35 days has elapsed since they played.

ii. For the purpose of this Competition a senior competition(s) are those registered with their sanctioning County Football Association or the Football Association, as Senior Competitions, for example Leagues forming the Football Association Pyramid system (including the Peninsula League) the Cornwall Combination League and the East Cornwall Premier League.

iii. Clubs shall identify by notation of the Team Sheet, or entry of a note in the box provided in Full-Time when submitting team sheets electronically, those Senior players taking part on the first occasion that they play. Failing to identify Senior players as above will result in such players being classified as ineligible for any game in which they play and the penalties at Rule 8o shall apply. Additional penalties, including fines and/or the deduction of points, may be imposed by the Management Committee for repeated breaches of this Rule.

Comment. The wording at (i) above is FA Standard Code Of Rules wording for optional Rule 8c. This Rule is used widely nationwide.

n. i. Clubs with more than one team in this League shall not play more than TWO players adjudged to be, in the current season, commanding a regular place with the higher placed team in a lower division or lower divisional cup match. See Note below. Senior players (see Rule 8n(ii) to 8n(iv)) from either the clubs senior side(s) or another senior club shall count towards the higher placed team total. Any team infringing this rule shall have any points gained from the fixture deducted and the club shall be fined £10 per player over the allowance. The points available for the match shall be awarded to its opponents. Should both teams be in default then both clubs shall be fined and no points shall be awarded for the fixture.

Note.

A player shall be deemed to be commanding a regular place with the higher placed team if he has played in 3 consecutive higher divisional or cup games or has taken part in more than 50% of the higher placed teams fixtures where the 3 consecutive appearance criteria is not met. A player shall not count towards the 2 allowed in the lower division once he has played 3 consecutive games for the lower placed team

ii. A Senior player is defined as one who has:

Played in 3 or more Senior competition matches during the period from 1st August to the 30th September.

Played in 5 or more Senior Competition matches during the current season including the months of August and September.

iii. No team shall include more than 2 Senior players as defined above unless they have taken part in 5 consecutive games in this League in which case they shall be deemed accepted and not count towards the allowed total. On accumulating subsequent totals of 5 Senior appearances they will again count as a Senior player until the acceptance criteria as previously described are met but see Rule 8n(iv) below. Any team infringing this rule shall have any points gained from the fixture deducted and the club shall be fined £10 per player over the allowance. The points available for the match shall be awarded to its opponents. Should both teams be in default then both clubs shall be fined and no points shall be awarded for the fixture. Additionally, the match shall not count towards the accepted player total for any of the players.

iv. Any player appearing in 15 Senior Competition matches during the current season shall cease to be eligible to play in thisCompetition for the remainder of the season.

vi. Clubs shall identify by notation of the Team Sheet, or entry of a note in the box provided in Full-Time when submitting team sheets electronically, those Senior players taking part on the first occasion that they play. Failing to identify Senior players as above will result in such players being classified as ineligible for any game in which they play and the penalties at Rule 8o shall apply. Additional penalties, including fines and/or the deduction of points, may be imposed by the Management Committee for repeated breaches of this Rule.

Notes.

1. Where any doubt exists over a players eligibility the Registration Secretary will provide guidance.

2. For the purpose of this Competition, Senior Competitions are those registered with their sanctioning County Football Association or the Football Association as Senior Competitions. Examples of Senior Leagues would be Leagues forming the Football Association Pyramid system (including the Peninsula League) the Cornwall Combination League and the, East Cornwall Premier League.

OR

n. i. Clubs with more than one team in this League shall not play more than TWO players who have taken part in any 2 or more higher division matches for their club during the current season unless a period of 35 days has elapsed since they played in the higher division. Senior players (see Rule 8c) shall count towards this total.

ii. Any team infringing this rule shall have any points gained from the fixture deducted and the club shall be fined £10 per player over the allowance. The points available for the match shall be awarded to its opponents. Should both teams be in default then both clubs shall be fined and no points shall be awarded for the fixture.

Notes.

1. Where any doubt exists over a players eligibility the Registration Secretary will provide guidance.

[Guest BenTheYeti]

Seems a lot more progressive and forward thinking.. though I am a little surprised by the 15 game rule.. what if a player has been out for an extended period of time with injury and wants to work his way back in gently by playing for (for example) St Ives Reserves..

[simmo147]

Seems like a good improvement, Will Duchy League have the same proposal, or will this be a CCFA rule applying to all affiliated leagues.?

[green & white]

All seems fair but 4 the 15 games bit, as Ben said about injuries, a player might get a 2 or 3 weeker & need 2 come back with reserves or the player who has gone up 2 replace him, has played so well, the team feels he needs 2 start back in reserves! Would seem a bit unfair that the players has 2 wait 10-15 days 2 play Junior Footy because he got injured

[sammo 66]

The fifteen game rule sounds good and will stop reserves sides loading up at the start and end of season

[scotchio]

this is all progressive and i like it.....BUT with roll on roll off i ask that the senior player allotment be 3 instead of 2...why well from my own personal experience of running a juior team in trelawney whilst having a senior team in peninsula one we have a weekly battle of re-instatement complying with the rules.The idea of roll on roll off is to increase participation within grass roots football.Ok i get it. what i`m asking is to be legally allowed to play first team players whom have been injured and missed the whole season.I currently have two such players in my squad and this means fringe players such as dan lord are missing out on a game because hes made six substitue appearances for the first team thus making him illegible to play junior football under current rules.

NOW there are teams that would play these players under a different name and i can assure you that i or my joint manager never will.

So in summation please look at the reality of grass roots football and please, please, please use this opprutunity to change the rules appropiately

[scotchio]

and the fifteen game rule is utter nonsense....lets try and work within a set period of time within the current season///ie 56 days

[stevieb]

some good ideas ,but my thoughts are players at start of season sign for one club only and can play for that club in any team ,which can cover injuries loss of form or any in club problems [eg fallout with manager] and yes maybe limit amount of players [eg 4-5] for say 1st team down ,

[S Abbo]

some good ideas ,but my thoughts are players at start of season sign for one club only and can play for that club in any team ,which can cover injuries loss of form or any in club problems [eg fallout with manager] and yes maybe limit amount of players [eg 4-5] for say 1st team down ,

Agree

[Jamo]

My misses plays netball in the league, maybe we can take a leaf from their rules, players in netball at whatever club can't play down a league, but can play up, so if u are short u can use players from the team below u, not pull from a higher league

[le boss]

It does seem odd that there is a discrepancy between the number of 'senior' players allowed in a junior game - 2 in the trelawney league but 4 in the junior cup!!

In my opinion, at the start of a season, everybody should start at zero, sign for one club only and there be no senior or junior player which will help those who have finished playing senior football and now only want to play junior football. Drop the 5 game qualification rule - that can take forever - maybe if a so-called senior has dropped down then he must play 3 consecutive junior games before being allowed to go back to the senior side.

[scotchio]

and therin lies the problem bash....how many games should one play senior football before being designated a " senior footballer"...why is it that a " senior footballer" having played 5 games two years ago is still a senior footballer despite having zero involvement in senior football.We all know this needs to change , however i must state for the record that a fair solution needs to be found and that i trust our progressive and forward thinking league to come up with a workable solution, particularly as they have so many experienced clubs that have had to deal with this.I`m certain that the powers that be will include all clubs and come to a progressive solution.Onwards and upwards

[le boss]

The problem being that too many clubs have been on the wrong end of ringers and loaded teams, especially clubs who only have teams in the junior leagues so i guess we have to bear the brunt of reap what you sow. Teams will always play outside the rules cos thier opponents dont know who they are playing against which brings us back to ID cards.

As i have previously stated, maybe a rule along the lines of if a senior player plays for a junior team, then he must play the next couple of fixtures for the same team before playing senior football again which would remove a player being dropped into a side for a big game etc.

[sammo 66]

Your first paragraph is spot on le boss if junior sides only used senior players when they were on the way back from injury or suspension or were dropped because of poor form other junior clubs would understand . But they don't they load them up to either keep the junior side from being relegated or improve there chances of winning some silverware

[Jasa]

The one flaw in all of this is goalkeepers. A club with 2 teams would use each others gk as back up. In my case meaning I couldn't help our second team out as I would have played more than 15 senior games but we do not have a third team to promote up to the second team.

[Jasa]

The one flaw in all of this is goalkeepers. A club with 2 teams would use each others gk as back up. In my case meaning I couldn't help our second team out as I would have played more than 15 senior games but we do not have a third team to promote up to the second team.

[Guest BenTheYeti]

The one flaw in all of this is goalkeepers. A club with 2 teams would use each others gk as back up. In my case meaning I couldn't help our second team out as I would have played more than 15 senior games but we do not have a third team to promote up to the second team.

The one flaw in all of this is goalkeepers. A club with 2 teams would use each others gk as back up. In my case meaning I couldn't help our second team out as I would have played more than 15 senior games but we do not have a third team to promote up to the second team.

Perhaps they would employ a similar exemption rule as is currently in place for certain fixtures such as cup games.. whereas, you can bring a goalkeeper in as it's the only "specialist" position on the pitch

[scotchio]

at the end of the day its not fair to load your junior team with senior players as it gives you an advanyage.That said its not fair to not to be able to play injured seniors because your reserves have been called to the first team.Drop the 5 game rule.Drop it now and replace with a sound progressive idea

[Willser !]

I'm with the one club signing policy, the only thing I don't agree with is playing players from OTHER senior teams, well within the current rules. I believe that players within the same club can play for any team at anytime. It's not the CCFA, leagues or anyone else to decide who's too good to play at a certain level?

[the waterboy]

Agree Willser

[sammo 66]

There is no difference between a team loading up with senior players from there own club or from another club . It happens too much and it's not fair on sides who only have junior teams . As I have already stated if its a senior player coming back from injury fair enough . But to put players in midweek who played for the senior team on Saturday just to improve the junior sides point totals is unjustified . Helston last week played first team players in there thirds . They never broke any laws but did they really need to . And would they have achieved the same result without them . It's why in midweek games you don't get true results like on Saturdays .

[Willser !]

There is no difference between a team loading up with senior players from there own club or from another club . It happens too much and it's not fair on sides who only have junior teams . As I have already stated if its a senior player coming back from injury fair enough . But to put players in midweek who played for the senior team on Saturday just to improve the junior sides point totals is unjustified . Helston last week played first team players in there thirds . They never broke any laws but did they really need to . And would they have achieved the same result without them . It's why in midweek games you don't get true results like on Saturdays .

All I'm merely saying is that no one should be allowed to make the distinction that one player is any better than another at a football club, only the club themselves. Lets say for example, a young lad has played in the reserves for 4 years and then breaks into the 1st team, is he then suddenly deemed a "ringer" because he has played senior football. The answer is no, he justs wants to play football. Yes, there will be some teams that take advantage of the situation and play 1st teamers instead of their reserve regulars which I think is wrong but that's down to club policy. There shouldn't be a need for a rule to stop players playing different levels of football.