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It was agreed at the Trelawny League meeting in Holmans last night that from the start of next season there will be 'rolling substitutions', basically unlimited substitutions from a squad of 16 players. What are everyone's views on this?

Personally I don't like the idea and think that there should be the same rules for every league/club/player/ref/fan from the top of the game to the bottom, not just in football but in every sport (unless it requires the use of technology which obviously can't be funded at recreational level).

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Great decision. Good to see our leagues finally start to move with the times and not refuse change.

This will help increase participation at junior level which can only be a good thing. Sure some teams struggle to field 11 players as it is, but why should teams with larger squads be punished by not being allowed to use all of their players?

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But will this not just leave more teams struggling to raise a side with 'glory hunting' players wanting to move to the higher placed teams knowing they will still get a game? Therefore leaving the lower placed teams with bare 11's or less...</p></blockquote>

Agree completely, ppl will hang around for silverware and have little participation!

Teams with large squads arent punishednow, they just have too many players! The teams with small squads that will striggle now!

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Can't see any negatives. If you don't like it don't implement it. Hope the duchy do the same. Will make managing more interesting and engaging as well. Don't see the need for any changes to the current system of team sheets etc. Fill your team sheet in and tell the ref your subs names.

I have to say its a great idea for fringe players and younger players.

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What's the point of knowing the names of those who start as subs if the ref doesn't know the names of the starting 11 who could become subs later. Tha Amateur Football Combination, a league I know up country which has tried out the experiment this season has altered their procedures so that the ref is presented with a filled-in teamsheet before kick off. Don't see a problem with that.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Club_capt" data-cid="230469" data-time="1360842238"><p>

Can't see any negatives. If you don't like it don't implement it. Hope the duchy do the same. Will make managing more interesting and engaging as well. Don't see the need for any changes to the current system of team sheets etc. Fill your team sheet in and tell the ref your subs names.<br />

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I have to say its a great idea for fringe players and younger players.</p></blockquote>

Fringe and younger players move to other clubs to get games, thats what keeps a healthy number of teams and leagues going! Think you may see a few teams fold perhaps next season because of this!

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Poor idea and clubs, teams,players and mangers will suffer from rolling subs, players dont want to come on and off all through the game as there will still be moaning of game time etc... ( i say this as a player and as a manager) and also there will be alot of time wasting and running down the clock so people will be moaning about it next season, when things work why change them. or am i just a traditionalist that doesnt like change?... probably a bit of both.

If it comes into the duchy i wont be using it in my sqaud/team on a saturday and thats my opinion on the situation if others want to use it i dont have an issue i just wont be using the rule myself... or perhaps it is finaly time to retire?

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You don't have to have 5 subs...1,2,3 up to five its your choice. You don't have to roll them on and off....your choice...simples.

It does however make it possible to keep everyone involved...I like it.

You will of course get the ones that will use it to waste time, I suspect you will all do it. The referee will simply add all the time on anyway, if not more !!!! Fergie time as its now called.

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Great idea. How many times have you made your 3 substitutions and then a player gets injured for example? Not a problem now if you got enough subs! Chance for managers to ease a youngster into a game, maybe take him off again if it gets physical? Even us older players could be knacked by half time, come off and maybe go on again if your team needs you last 15 mins? Agree with Gaffer, if you don't like it, don't use it, simple as that. At least you have the option now and good on the league for giving it a go. Don't see the point of negativity before you even try it. Better off having this debate this time next season when everyone has given it a go!!?

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Agree with mark and gaffer and as for b manning remarks come on fella not gonna ref trelawney ( baby) need nine refs, haha reminds me of the two dummies either end of European football on the dead ball line who after 2 seasons now I am yet to see what the bleeding hell there doing there cos none has ever made a decision. Lets not go off the subject I'm all for it just hope I've got more than 11 players next season to try it.

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MARKSY, obviously my point about nine refs did not register with you, we are told the idea behind rolling subs is to increase participation then that would also apply to officials. I do not like the idea of rolling subs ( my opinion ) it is americanises the game, and the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it comes to mind. I was playing in the era when the first sub was allowed, the point is where do we stop tweaking, perhaps at 11 rolling subs one offence team another defence team ! and what about specialist players free kick and penalty takers,what about a goalkeeper who is a specialist penalty saver, bring him on just for penalties. Remember I was playing when there were no subs at all now it`s five, well thats almost half a team. Also if i do not want to referee Trelawny then that would be my choice, players get the choice of what teams to play for so why deny me that choice.

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I think the best solution would be just use five subs. once youre off youre off. All players in a 16 man squad can still get a game then. As for team sheets, the SWPL do a team sheet before the game for the referee and the names correspond to the shirt numbers. if the rolling subs has to come in then in order to stop specialist penalty takers free kick takers or goalkeepers there should be a minimum time they have to stay on the pitch. Supposing your penalty taker goes off injured and you get a penalty he can't run but can do enough to stand up so he comes on takes the penalty and then goes off. By introducing minimum time they remain on the pitch this might not happen. pain for the ref but fair for the opposition team

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Nobody has yet mentioned how they have found using the rolling sub system during the junior cup this year. Did the teams that progressed quite far in the competition adapt and use the system better as they went further through the rounds or did managers find once they took a player off they rarely put them back on! Did teams who had a smaller squad find themselves at a disadvantage to clubs who played with a full squad of 16.

Everyone has a view on it and I admit to reservations purely on the fact I would prefer the game to remain as it is and find rolling subs during pre season a bit of a pain particularly if leaving and rejoining the field a number of times and difficult as a manager to keep everyone happy with their amount of game time

However despite my reservations it is only a trial and for just (currently) One season so we should embrace it for this season and see how we get on

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As manager of Culdrose we had chance to use this in our jnr cup run this season. First 2 games we only has 12 each game so didnt really use it. However in our 1/4 against Lizard we made full use of it as did Lizard. With not having played for 5 weeks and having extra time players from both sides were going down with cramp and so we were able to rotate players meaning we had 11 fully fit men on the pitch at all times. Also managed to get one of my penalty takers back on just before the end for the penalty shoot out. It kind of worked aswell as he scored his pen, we just missed a couple of others! Can see both sides of the argument on this however you don't have to use it if you don't want to!

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From my point of view I cannot get my head round it to use rolling subs cos I think it breaks up the flow of a player and I am worried that players go cold and will pull muscles. I cant see us using it next season - not sure my players like it either. Like everyone says, we dont have to use it

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="RAPPO" data-cid="230517" data-time="1360883079"><p>

Great idea. How many times have you made your 3 substitutions and then a player gets injured for example? Not a problem now if you got enough subs! Chance for managers to ease a youngster into a game, maybe take him off again if it gets physical? Even us older playerscould be knacked by half time, come off andmaybe go on again if your team needs you last 15mins? Agree with Gaffer, if you don't like it, don't use it,simple as that. At least you have the option now andgood on the league for giving it a go. Don't see thepoint of negativity before you even try it. Better offhaving this debate this time next season wheneveryone has given it a go!!?</p></blockquote rappo would you manage to get the legs working again after coming off and going back on!!

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MARKSY, obviously my point about nine refs did not register with you, we are told the idea behind rolling subs is to increase participation then that would also apply to officials. I do not like the idea of rolling subs ( my opinion ) it is americanises the game, and the old saying if it aint broke dont fix it comes to mind. I was playing in the era when the first sub was allowed, the point is where do we stop tweaking, perhaps at 11 rolling subs one offence team another defence team ! and what about specialist players free kick and penalty takers,what about a goalkeeper who is a specialist penalty saver, bring him on just for penalties. Remember I was playing when there were no subs at all now it`s five, well thats almost half a team. Also if i do not want to referee Trelawny then that would be my choice, players get the choice of what teams to play for so why deny me that choice.

Calm down dear! It's not going to change the fabric of the game (certainly not to the extent you describe). Besides its been rolled out in the Junior Cup and guess what, nothing really changed. Infact it wasn't even mentioned once the games got underway. Anyhow whinge as much as you want its here and probably here to stay. I for one will embrace it and use it as much as possible.

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making the referees job harder best thing to do is the ref get both team sheets about 15 mins before kick off ,as it will be quicker when taking bookings , just take shirt number save asking to spell name ..

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Great idea. How many times have you made your 3 substitutions and then a player gets injured for example? Not a problem now if you got enough subs! Chance for managers to ease a youngster into a game, maybe take him off again if it gets physical? Even us older players could be knacked by half time, come off and maybe go on again if your team needs you last 15 mins? Agree with Gaffer, if you don't like it, don't use it, simple as that. At least you have the option now and good on the league for giving it a go. Don't see the point of negativity before you even try it. Better off having this debate this time next season when everyone has given it a go!!?

Haha yeah right Rappo, us oldies going off and coming back on who you kidding ;)

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making the referees job harder best thing to do is the ref get both team sheets about 15 mins before kick off ,as it will be quicker when taking bookings , just take shirt number save asking to spell name ..
Exactly - it is what happens in the SWPL and makes life much easier..... the referee also gets to keep the team sheet so it could also remove the requirement in the short term for ID cards....
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Complete joke, you shud be battling too get in the side not getting 5-10 mins just to keep there toy's in the pram... and as mentioned what happen's too the lil fella's who struggle to get 12/13 players?? they get run ragged and a game they could've possibly won they lose because there team ain't as fresh!! roll on roll of subs are for friendlies and friendlies only..... very off tbh!!! I believe in a fair bit of competition... that's how i got my abilities any how

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We have been using it in the junior cup and don't think it has really changed what u do much to be honest, if its a tight game you don't mess with the side regardless of how many subs you have available. It has only really been any use if you make a few changes then get an injury. Some clubs with big squads who are winning comfortably can mess around putting players on and off if they wish but don't really see any player wanting that?

Personally as I think someone mentioned earlier we are better off allowing 5 subs as I feel that is a happy compromise. U can still get youngsters on if the game is going well. Bigger squads can then play everyone if they so wish. Should be easy for refs to manage rather than keeping track of who goes on and off etc. plus you prevent the whole rubbish around potential time wasting and also bringing players on just for a specialism who hit a good free kick for instance.

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Do not see the point of this, and the ruling should go back to only naming and using two subs.

Makes more players available and hopefully clubs will not struggle for a team and will make the leagues more competitive and not just a few competing for the trophy or trophies.

Being competitive also improves the standard of football.

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Our league voted for this for a 2 season trial , some teams had been using it in cup competitions during the 2 previous seasons . It was introduced to the county at the yearly league development day by an official from the FA . He advertised it as a far reaching idea that would introduce many more players to the game and mean that more teams could keep more players happy . This baffled me somewhat , 11 players plus 3 subs equals 14 , 11 players plus 3 rolling subs equals 14 . I queried this and was told that I was wrong . At the league AGM many clubs were in favour and thought it was a great idea and voted for 3 rolling subs out of 3 named .

Come January very few clubs if any have actually used it after the first few games as they have found no advantage in it except in the case of injury after all subs have been used .

If you think about it from a practical point you won't sub a goalie , one or both your centre backs , a centre midfield player , a left back or left side midfield player or a striker .So that leaves you with 5 players to keep rolling on and off , at the most .The higher level you play at would you really want to disrupt a team by constantly swapping players for the sake of it ? .Its bad enough deciding who to take off to give subs a run out anyway , without one of those already subbed bending your ear to let him back on . Personally I can take it or leave it but clubs have'nt found too many advantages in it .

As far as the FA go , it might be better if they scrapped the ban on under 16 year olds playing , then there would be more players available .

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We have been using it in the junior cup and don't think it has really changed what u do much to be honest, if its a tight game you don't mess with the side regardless of how many subs you have available. It has only really been any use if you make a few changes then get an injury. Some clubs with big squads who are winning comfortably can mess around putting players on and off if they wish but don't really see any player wanting that?

Personally as I think someone mentioned earlier we are better off allowing 5 subs as I feel that is a happy compromise. U can still get youngsters on if the game is going well. Bigger squads can then play everyone if they so wish. Should be easy for refs to manage rather than keeping track of who goes on and off etc. plus you prevent the whole rubbish around potential time wasting and also bringing players on just for a specialism who hit a good free kick for instance.

To be honest, I cant think of many so-called specialist players at this level who are not accommodated in the team in the first place - if anyone is THAT good they would be playing junior football at the very least. With regards to blooding youngsters - again we all know of the teams who we can 'risk' them against and again, have some perspective, it is junior football lol. I totaly agree about the flow of a game and /or the player but not sure about the 5 subs tho.

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Yeah its the same in the vets league Pete, been working well for years, hardly interupts any flow. I think once managers and players have been using it for half a season or so and get their heads around it they will find it advantageous. The managers will be able to give players more game time than perhaps they would have done and be able to keep the less regular starters happier as Marksy has mentioned. Go 3-0 up after 20 minutes for example and you could have a right old shuffle around. Dobbie and Capt thats a fair shout!! :-) Cant even get my legs going properly from the start let alone coming back on! :-(

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Woo hoo, brought this up last year. It can only benefit all. If you only have one sub available ot means you have options to replace more the once that you are allowed now, therefore the small squad thing is out the window.

Use it if you want to, don't if you don't, simples. Will increase participation and the enjoyment for those that don't play every week

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Got admit not a fan of this idea at all! Could turn a match in to a bit of a circus with so many changes! Plus like what someone else mentioned if u come off for 20mins and go back on it could cause injurys! I didnt know either that there was such a problem with the rules as they are to even implement these changes, I think personally the way it is now is perfect and like everyone says if it aint broken dont fix it! I also agree that it should be the same rules right down from premiership all the way down 2 our junior level! Just my opinion of course!

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I certainly do not like the idea, some teams are unable to scrape together the 11 players needed let alone another 5. It could be that I only referee on the Duchy next season.

duchy have also taken the repeat subs... i agree it is a bad move for football. shouldnt the rules all the the same from the premier league all the way to the trelawny league. its aimed to get more ppl involved they said sumit like 1000 players nationally havent resigned for teams but players retire through old age and injury and get replaced by the youth players why try and keep they if they aint keen to play any more. 5 repeat subs will show the game down so either alot of wasted game time or alot of added time. should have bin kept simple 3 subs thats it....

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still think its a load of bull!!! i know it's junior football but that doesn't mean were kids.... it's fine the way it is.... i may not even bother playing let alone running my team next season.... seriously contemplating it.. only reason i am in junior football is because i run a team... but there's no chance i am playing with ridiculous rules... senior football here i come!!!!

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still think its a load of bull!!! i know it's junior football but that doesn't mean were kids.... it's fine the way it is.... i may not even bother playing let alone running my team next season.... seriously contemplating it.. only reason i am in junior football is because i run a team... but there's no chance i am playing with ridiculous rules... senior football here i come!!!!</p></blockquote

bit of a ridiculous reason to not run your team just because you dont like one rule!! who said there is no loyalty in football! !!! like many people have said on this thread. .you dont have to use rolling subs. ..if you don't like the rule dont use it. ...simples!

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