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Same arguments going round in circles. No benefit to anyone other than the Pirates now that City are almost gone. It would be waste of Tax-Payers money which is why Dicky & Ginge didn't put up the funds when they had them. Now one of them has run off with a swag bag over his shoulder, the County should be grateful they did not get into bed with him.

No Public funds for Pirates Stadium, if they want a ground big enough for Prem Rugby, Dicky should buy Penlee Park from Penzance AFC and develop it, keeping rugby where it should be.

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You cross the Tamar and tribalism is thrown out of the window, Exeter Chiefs with the councils agreement has grown into a Premiership club the whole of Devon is proud of, that should happen in Cornwall.

Built with vision the stadium could house many sporting and other groups to make it a seven day place to go, rooms for use by scouts, guides, boxing, maybe a BMX track adjoining the stadium, rooms could be made available for Treliske Hospital to hold clinics, facilities for mother and toddler groups and much much more a community place to be. If councils do not get involved Cornwall will always retain a backwater image, had a stadium been in place the Pirates would probably have attracted a few more players to ensure Premiership status, until the facilities are there that will not be the case

I can never see a Stadium for Cornwall being of any use for Truro City Football Club, unlike the rugby they could not attract the crowds to raise the atmosphere above morgue proportions,

Leading up to any proposed development people should ask themselves what can it be used for apart from rugby, many social groups would doubtless be interested in having a slice of the action.

It is strange the reaction in different parts of the country towards council's spending cash, a village 6 miles from me put a skateboard and BMX facility in the village, some villagers complained because it became too popular and it annoyed them, the council have listened and are taking action to improve things, first they are buying a Wood for around £10,000 so the youngsters have tracks for their bikes and a facility for skateboarding, no one complained about the council using taxpayers money and that in the HIGHEST taxed area in the whole of Britain.

When I was at Treyew Road last Saturday people were complaining about Truro Council bringing in residents parking, up in arms they were, here in High Wycombe we have had residents parking for over FORTY (40) years, it was the best thing to be introduced, reasonably priced for the resident and cheap tickets available should they have visitors, gone were the days when popping out for a while they could not return to their own street. It's progress probably in Truro's case 40 years too late.

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There is no demand for a Stadium from 99% of the population of Cornwall, the majority should not be bullied by the few who want something for nothing (a sentiment I'm sure that Mountaineer would agree with).

If Dicky wants a Stadium, let him pay for it.

Nemesis, Not so long ago when you were losing too many arguements you PM'd me pleading for a TRUCE, I agreed to let you off the hook, this is the second time recently you have attempted to restart hostilities, until you get your facts right there is no point bothering to restart hostilities.

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How many in Cornwall wanted the Tate at St Ives, Eden near St Austell or the Hall for Cornwall in Truro but they are there, before bandying unsubstantiated percentages about those using them should first ensure they are correct or relevant.

If you have an area with 20000 residents and only 400 watch their local football team that's just 2% of the population, 600 would only be 3%, Peninsula league attendances suggest even lower percentages than those shown, whichever way you look at it a small number of the population, it would be unfair to say to the teams they follow that the council will not prepare any more pitches for them at a nominal rent, usually much less than it costs to prepare them because the majority of ratepayers are not interested.

Percentage figures of any population doesn't work without commonsense being used creating them, regarding football you could discount babies and small children a parent looking after them, people who are ill, the elderly with failing health, then you have the fact that considerably more men than women attend football, taking all those factors into consideration and it shows how foolhardy it is to use percentages in such matters. Using that or similar parameters and we could do away with EVERYTHING.

I think with rugby the attendance percentages for Pirates games is much higher

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Please read my posts again, there is nothing personal, just my point of view on the Pirates Stadium. I disagree with any public funds being used for what is a private sports team owned by one man - your position is different, just a normal debate with opposite views.

All the points that were raised in the previous debate when City were the potential 2nd tenant, still stand. The Council did the right thing and rejected the funding request, nothing has changed so why those who seek a Stadium are dragging this up again is beyond me. Different stadium being proposed, just a 10,000 seater, but the principal in the same.

If Pirates want a stadium, they can pay for it with private partnerships, not taxpayers money which at this time is in very short supply.

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You could argue the point that clubs on council pitches paying a peppercorn rent are subsidised with public money.

There are an awful lot of theatres, clubs organisations etc being subsidised with public money - either by direct grant or as said peppercorn rents, if we actually knew what was going on we would be amazed and shocked.

Hall for Cornwall, £500,000 per year for instance. Stadium for Cornwall.....how much would per annum would that be ????

The stadium would have a tenant/tenants so to speak paying a rent per annum ??? and subsidised again with public money ??? or could it make a profit. Not if it was run by the CCC.

The stadium for Cornwall would be a white elephant for me, but, I would love to be proved wrong. Don't let CCC run it.

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I'm surprised that Nemesis hasn't said that Cornwall doesn't need a stadium because it already has one! Newquay changed the name of their ground to 'Mount Wise Stadium' some time ago. However, I must admit that it's difficult to imagine anything that look less like a stadium than Mount Wise! :)

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I have always avoided any controversy on this Forum, but I would like to enlighten viewers of the history of Newquay Football Club's Mount Wise ground which is council owned and somehow has become a subject on this forum.

The land was originally intended to be used as allotments after the First World War. Newquay is not renowned for large flat areas, so the then Newquay Urban District Council in 1922 applied to the Ministry of Health for permission to lease a piece of land to a club, the result of which is that Newquay played their first match at Mount Wise in August 1922.

Mount Wise was used as an army truck depot during the Second World War. Thousands of stones were laid on the pitch which took many years to clear. Not a stadium for sure, but a piece of unenclosed land in diabolical condition.

The point I am trying to make is that it is very easy to glibly criticise council owned grounds and their peppercorn rents. Who built and paid for the clubhouse, changing rooms, canteen, mower shed, floodlights, paths, fencing, and two new grandstand roofs? The members of Newquay Football Club of course, with no cost to the landlord and rate payers of Cornwall.

I make these observations as someone who has worked for the club over 40 years and has first hand knowledge of what the club has achieved over the years.

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ST Just FC and other owners of grounds are already subsidising Smacktown council tenants at Penlee Park playing in front of three men and an abused dog. We don't need any more of this expensive rubbish, especally if it encourages egg-chasing. Those of you who regard yourself as part of a county dominated by the English have already sold out. Apart from Yorkshire, nobody else in England cares about counties as an indicator of identity anyway.

Stuff Cornwall Rugby ! Couldn't care less ! However, if I had room on my fields at Joppa or in Marazion to build a national stadium for the People's Socialist Republic of St Just, I would.

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You could put something the size of Wembley just indie the bypass at Marazion as long as St Aubyn Estates are co-operative regarding access. However, there are one or two in Marazion who are not yet ready to be sequestered by the People's Socialist Republic, even though Grandfather kept their ancestors alive with butter and eggs one winter after he'd finished building Crowlas. No gratitude, these nimbys. :c:

I thought the place on the Mount would have been okay for my ego but the family refuse to scale down to such a poky little castle, unfortunately.

On the other site, the charabancs would get stuck going up Joppa Lane. You could fit a few hundred in the field, however, at least if they weren't too fat, so that rules out those Penzance FC tellytubbies, unfortunately ! :yahoo:

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