cooplfc Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hi all my team have our first cup game this ek with the new rules, I know about the roll on roll off subs (not sure I'm a fan) but are there any other rule I need to know, heard rumours we can name 5 subs. Any info would be brilliant, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yes you always have been able to name 5 subs but now you can use all 5 in repeat substitutions ( roll on roll off). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Any negatives on the new sub system from Saturday??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yeah - For us. We only had the one sub changing one player at a time slowed the game down too much, ref took name and shirt numbers and warned players not to come off the pitch until he had taken their details. Rubbish rule - Not football for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Subbing one player that was roll on / off took a good 2-3 mins each time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 there seems to be snags but I see a couple benefits tho too....if you got a big squad and have a few subs etc at least they can all get a bit of football and dont lose interest, you can use weaker players earlier that usually get left til really late in a tight game confident that you can swap the pack at any time, and also (most importantly) if a player picks up a knock he can come off rather than previously if all subs used, limp on not to let team down and ruin his work come Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Subbing one player that was roll on / off took a good 2-3 mins each time how on earth did it take that long? thats obviously a referee problem by not fully understanding it. Surely he would just need to check names at beginning of game, so they're available for the team sheet to be signed, then you crack on with it, no need to take names when players come on, player goes off, player goes straight on, should be quicker than before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Not a big fan at all - biggest worry is players coming off, going cold and then despite warming up again, goes back on and muscles are pulled. Yes I know players should warm up, but as people on here continually shout, this is junior football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJW Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Subbing one player that was roll on / off took a good 2-3 mins each time how on earth did it take that long? thats obviously a referee problem by not fully understanding it. Surely he would just need to check names at beginning of game, so they're available for the team sheet to be signed, then you crack on with it, no need to take names when players come on, player goes off, player goes straight on, should be quicker than before 2-3 mins each time? That is ridiculous. In our Junior Cup game on Saturday, an experienced referee did not know about rolling subs - he thought it was coming in next year! I am glad to say he was a bit better at reffing than with keeping up to date! Also, the referee does not have to sign the teamsheet any more as it can be emailed in to the County FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thats up to the manager to sort out isn't it? You don't have to bring them back on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thats up to the manager to sort out isn't it? You don't have to bring them back on Then they cease to be rolling subs if you dont bring them back on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Then thats your choice! and thats why there's no negatives to it. You can choose to use them how you wish. No one is forcing you to bring players back on. Having choice is better than having no choice isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 so lets campaign for 5 subs to be used then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Go for it! But surely having 5 rolling subs is a better option for a manager than 5 subs as they are at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fal lad Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Our ref down at gwinear was spot on, all he asked was that he was told when we wanted to make a change, went pretty smoothly from my point of view, i would think gwinear would agree aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted October 16, 2012 Report Share Posted October 16, 2012 Seems pretty pointless to me if you got 5 subs rolling or not! 3 of the 5 might be good enough to bring on so your still left with 2 that arent, just because its rolling subs doesnt me they'll get usedso i cant see how participation is gona be increased at all! Think the arguement falls flat on its face right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 You've got the option of using it, that's how participation increases. Having 2 options is better than 1 option isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 St Darren I understand where youre coming from, it didnt work badly I just think that the subs that dont get on now probably still wouldnt get on if you had 11 rolling subs so I cant see how it'll benefit participation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 It will mainly increase participation in the lower standard of Junior football, those players that turn up week in week out that aren't good enough, they'll now be able to get 15 minutes or so each week without pressure. Its up to the managers whether they use them or not. How many times have teams played with 3 subs, but 1 or 2 of the subs haven't got on because manager has been afraid to change things. With rolling subs, they can change things, try it, and then revert back if needed. Players that have been taken off will get used to having to keep warm if they're going to come on again. The reason why I can't see any negatives is because it just gives managers another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sorry to change the direction of the thread, but is there any reason why the Junior cup results/scorers etc are not updated on the FA website like other Cup competitions? A little frustrating for the goalscorers last weekend as it appears that they wont count towards season totals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Results from the 1st Round are on the County website. Why should goals scored in County Cup matches score towards a Golden Boot Award. with the County Cups you could have a Trelawny Premier division side play a Division 5 side and score a hatful of goals, then in the next round have a repeat. Goals all round. But then you could have another Premier side play a couple of rounds against other highly placed teams winning by narrow margins. Few goals all round. As County Cup matches and other Cup matches are "Luck of the Draw". To count goals scored in them goaing towards League-wide Golden Boot Awards is therefore pointless and can only really be used for "In-House" awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I don't recall saying that goals scored in this competition should counts towards Clubs respective "Golden boot" awards, I just don't see why it is not recorded on the FA website, along with the other Cup competitions (I appreciate these are not County competitions). Even at the top level of the game, you get to see a players "total" goals for the season, of course he will only win the "Golden boot" for goals scored in his teams league, but from a stats point of view you always get to see players totals? (League and Cup goals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishteddyboy Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Perhaps it might be that "At the top level of the game" people are paid to record and publish goal scorers, etc whilst at our level most people are volunteers and even at County level they are not full time. Perhaps they don't have time. Why not start your own website, scouring the local press for details, badgering county, etc, just for County Cup games. I bet even County don't have all the information going back to the beginning. My combo website has been online since June 2007 but before then I worked on it for two years so I could go live with some info. Since then I have spent hundreds of hours getting to a stage where there is 2000 pages of info on it and it is still not 100% complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 No, I'll give that a miss. Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sidibe Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 No, I'll give that a miss. Thanks anyway. Of course you would be keen for goals scored in the Junior Cup to be added to the FA website as you scored a brace in the first round ey Chappers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 No, I'll give that a miss. Thanks anyway. Of course you would be keen for goals scored in the Junior Cup to be added to the FA website as you scored a brace in the first round ey Chappers! Busted! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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