Trombone Terry Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 What's happened at marizion? Have they been caught out for playing too many players over the junior limit or is their total points deduction down to some other reasons? Its not a good way off starting out the team to beat? Looks like the writing is on the wall for any cheats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOONER Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 You have to laugh 2 games no points just hope the glory boys dont win any cups !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Good god. If they had intended to cheat, they would hardly have included the correct names on the team sheets, would they? The cheaters are the guys who use incorrect names and know that they won't be found out because the clubs voted against ID cards this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo147 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Well said Peggy. ID cards have revalotionise youth football, and would be positive move. Also a review of jonior and senior status has to be looked at. Mistakes and errors are a very different thing to CHEATING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trombone Terry Posted September 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Must be true then? Is there a conspiricy of young footballing talent sneaking into the lowest echelons of west Cornwall of a saturday then leaving under cover of darkness once they have three points in the bag for mawnan smith and rosudgeon? Id cards.....haven't you got a voice whereby you can ask who is who? Almost we very team knows every player in my local leagues And if marizion filled out the team sheets correctly then the secretary or director of the club has a lot to answer for as it is them who are inept or maybe they just don't care about the well published rules Pretty simple the CCFA are now onto them and other clubs will be worrying when they're caught again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trombone Terry Posted September 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Well said Peggy. ID cards have revalotionise youth football, and would be positive move. Also a review of jonior and senior status has to be looked at. Mistakes and errors are a very different thing to CHEATING. Can't anyone think of another way without squeezing more mine for individuals Id cards?.. Don't you have a passport or driving license?......or god forbid a debit/credit card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Think you'll find that even if you are 100% sure that the player is not who they claim, you can only use photographic or video evidence to prove the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Ignoring the Marazion-baiting.. if the rules have been broken by Marazion, Penzance Res. etc., it's good the see the league acting early in the season rather than letting it run and run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo147 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am sure the CCFA or League Committees do not enjoy deciding match results in committee rooms, but rules are rules and without the governing bodies chaos would prevail. This being said if a rule is a continuing problem for many clubs, then perhaps those in charge should review the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am sure the CCFA or League Committees do not enjoy deciding match results in committee rooms, but rules are rules and without the governing bodies chaos would prevail. This being said if a rule is a continuing problem for many clubs, then perhaps those in charge should review the situation. Like you said rules are rules. It is madness to say that if the rule is a problem then change it. Murder is a problem but would you want to legalise it? Everyone knows before the season starts what the rules are - its not a new rule is it - and everyone else just has to get on with it. Teams have broken the rules however intentional and they must take their medicine - that's life. Deal with it, get over it and move on and in the case of Marazion, if they are the sensational world beaters everyone seems to proclaim then the loss of six points will hardly make a difference to them - they still have to play all their closest rivals twice so there is the six points back. Think most teams from last season who won their respective leagues lost more than six points during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Sometimes it's a simple error, last season we played a player who we thought was signed on but wasn't. As soon as we found out we registered him (not re-instated or anything else) but it was an error not an attempt to cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 The league are doing the right thing by acting early, theyve obviously learned from last year! I think its unfair to call marazion cheats because they named the players correctly thats why theyve been punished! Think the whole reinstatement issue will be a talking point again, im assuming thats why the players were inelligable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am sure the CCFA or League Committees do not enjoy deciding match results in committee rooms, but rules are rules and without the governing bodies chaos would prevail. This being said if a rule is a continuing problem for many clubs, then perhaps those in charge should review the situation. Like you said rules are rules. It is madness to say that if the rule is a problem then change it. Murder is a problem but would you want to legalise it? Everyone knows before the season starts what the rules are - its not a new rule is it - and everyone else just has to get on with it. Teams have broken the rules however intentional and they must take their medicine - that's life. Deal with it, get over it and move on and in the case of Marazion, if they are the sensational world beaters everyone seems to proclaim then the loss of six points will hardly make a difference to them - they still have to play all their closest rivals twice so there is the six points back. Think most teams from last season who won their respective leagues lost more than six points during the season. Even Helston dropped 10 last season :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I am sure the CCFA or League Committees do not enjoy deciding match results in committee rooms, but rules are rules and without the governing bodies chaos would prevail. This being said if a rule is a continuing problem for many clubs, then perhaps those in charge should review the situation. Like you said rules are rules. It is madness to say that if the rule is a problem then change it. Murder is a problem but would you want to legalise it? Everyone knows before the season starts what the rules are - its not a new rule is it - and everyone else just has to get on with it. Teams have broken the rules however intentional and they must take their medicine - that's life. Deal with it, get over it and move on and in the case of Marazion, if they are the sensational world beaters everyone seems to proclaim then the loss of six points will hardly make a difference to them - they still have to play all their closest rivals twice so there is the six points back. Think most teams from last season who won their respective leagues lost more than six points during the season. Even Helston dropped 10 last season Gosh!! That many? Surprised I kept my job.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I have just spoken to our manager and it appears one of our players, who I will not be naming on here, signed the wrong form.....yes Jason that was you, you donut.....as rightly pointed out, we have made the error and we will take the points deduction....as well as the beer Jason will have to buy the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I have just spoken to our manager and it appears one of our players, who I will not be naming on here, signed the wrong form.....yes Jason that was you, you donut.....as rightly pointed out, we have made the error and we will take the points deduction....as well as the beer Jason will have to buy the rest of the team. Without wanting to sound rude.. how can you sign the wrong form.. there's only 1 type of signing on form for Trelawny League players unless you're attached to the Armed Forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Apparently he signed an old form and not a new one....I have no idea as I'm merely a lowly centre half....just going on what the manager told me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 so hardly cheating then - your reg sec needs shooting tho!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyWisp Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Marazion Cheats its the title of this post?! really terry trombone whoever you are, go do one sunshine.. just spoken to the boss, one of our players signed wrong form, club error, that doesnt make us cheats you grade 1 prat & moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Apparently he signed an old form and not a new one....I have no idea as I'm merely a lowly centre half....just going on what the manager told me.... The old forms (as in, the ones used last season) are still in use as far as I'm aware.. they have sent out new ones for this year, but there's not a great deal of change in them.. still need your name, DOB, address and signature.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyWisp Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 You have to laugh 2 games no points just hope the glory boys dont win any cups !!! ahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahha jelous......... Pressures on to beat the likes of gwinear, Helson and Newquey now, thats all ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I think the manager and player involved should compensate us with a night on the beer myself.....just one of those things....an yes it's hardly cheating....with the amount of attention Marazion have been getting it would be silly to cheat......but at least we have been able to occupy some peoples time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyWisp Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 i agree, altough hes as likely to bring potatoes as he is fosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansome dan Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 would,nt have happened at hayle :yahoo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 would,nt have happened at hayle I seem to recall losing 5-0 at Hayle last season and being given the points as the lad who scored a hat trick was ineligible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenose Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 would,nt have happened at hayle Ur right Ben, it's happened at Hayle before.....I've been in teams where it's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BenTheYeti Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 To be fair, it's happened to nearly every team at this level.. either accidentally, or accidentally on purpose.. There always going to be times when teams are either short of numbers or playing a rival and want to "lean" the rules in their favour. And if a player, secretary or manager wants to run that risk, I think this early evidence from the CCFA shows that it will not be tolerated one bit. On the other side, having experienced it first hand this season, it is a nightmare to get players to open their wallets and pay signing on fees sometime before February, let alone sign the right forms, register them for the right competitions, and, in the case of clubs with more than one team (which is most these days), keep abreast of which players have played which games for whom.. that problem being magnified if you have one Senior team and one Junior team I'd imagine. With all that in consideration, mistakes are easily made. But, the league have to follow their own rules, and any club that has fallen foul of a points deduction, seemingly through no fault of their own (in the case of Redruth for example), have the right to appeal. What irks me, is that we all seem quite happy to brand a whole team as cheating, as soon as we see they have a points deduction.. at the end of the day, most of these things come down to 1 or 2 people making an honest mistake, or selfishly exploiting things for (what is essentially, as we're only talking about Junior football at levels 1-6 here) a minor gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Seems to me that some teams are rather afraid of Marazion! Oh well, if they cant beat u on the pitch lads, they will try and drag you through the mud on here!! I think this post should of been deleted, in my opinion its quite slanderous. You can only be called cheats if you are trying to hide something, and it seems in this case your not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejellico Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 let he who have not sinned throw the first stone........ paul birch and steve ruff have never cheated in thier lives, to call them cheats on a public forum is total bullshit. this thread as really p###ed me off!!!!!!! what a terrible thing to say about people over a simple mistake. hands up any club that aint made a simple mistake...... time to leave marazion alone now fellas and let them enjoy thier footy. they aint murdered nobody..... i think the administraters should delete this post as its slander!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthbetold Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Matty Thomas back to hayle? Nothing to do with the post, but ur a hayle boy. Personal shout. Get back where u belong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trombone Terry Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The topic is a question? Hence the question mark? The next post says what everyone else was wondering in regards the points deduction. Shall I demand to sue the man who posted about being 'jelous'? I'm not jealous of you honestly It's now looking liege Marizion have made a small error on te paperwork. Fine....you're managers are not known, it was never mentioned anyone personally And next time play by the rules If there are any more point deductions then you may well be accused of attempting to cheat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 After managing in this league last year, this appears to be a regular occurance in my personal expierence by a lot of teams in the league playing persons under other squad players names who maybe are not so well known to other teams, maybe i.d cards are the way to go ,and maybe limit the amount of players a club is allowed to register for any one team, say to 25, and yes before anybody asks ...... maybe guilty as charged on a couple of occasions. but on a serious note how are the league going to police this matter ?????????? full credit for trying to stamp it out early if this is the case, but personally i think a impossible task, unless a more realistic process is used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erby ruin Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 To be honest, I think its getting bit boring and people are bit sad to still pick on marazion, I believe they weren't only team to lose points so why single them out, all teams involved in points deductions was all to do with paperwork which is unfortunate but life moves on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggy78 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The worst part of this is that the points deductions have been applied to the teams who were being honest. The deductions are all likely to be for admin errors. The cheats are the guys who intentionally play players under other peoples names. They get away with it year after year and no punishment. Get the ID cards in and it all stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayle87 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Matty Thomas back to hayle? Nothing to do with the post, but ur a hayle boy. Personal shout. Get back where u belong That wont be happening anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano11 Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Matty has just signed a 12 month contract at Marazion with no get out clause so that wont be happening in the short term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Paul Birch is a very trust worthy and upstanding individual, former Mayor of Hayle. You dont get those positions lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPPO Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Unlucky Birchy, anyone who knows you will know you ain't cheated mate, we are all just jealous of your dream team!!! Bad luck with the form but I'm sure the rest of us in div 5 will get the backlash from your lads for the deducted points!! Hope you have a good season, I'm sure you will!! All the best to Steve as well bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayle87 Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Matty has just signed a 12 month contract at Marazion with no get out clause so that wont be happening in the short term Month to month rolling contact.but the financial package is good.plus sponsership and public appearances pay well lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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